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07-03-2013, 03:07 PM
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This team is winning the Cup within the next three seasons and Cory's winning the Conn Smythe.

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This is seriously the most ludicrous thing you've ever posted here.

I'm sorry I missed it earlier.

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Was going to happen anyway. Marty is best there ever was at that; was gonna be a dropoff, most likely significant.

Plus they have experience playing with Moose "The Grenade Handler." Schneider cannot possibly be worse than him at playing the puck.
if you thin moose is bad with the puck then you are going to shudder when you see how bad most goalies are. a lot of you guys are spoiled by marty, most goalies are hopeless with the puck.

what i would be scared of is that schneider starts playing the puck more. moose didn't play it as often in atl, but started doing it more here so that the defense didn't have to adjust between him and marty. if schneider tries to do the same, it could get ugly. and i really don't trust many on our defense to be able to compensate,

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if you thin moose is bad with the puck then you are going to shudder when you see how bad most goalies are. a lot of you guys are spoiled by marty, most goalies are hopeless with the puck.

what i would be scared of is that schneider starts playing the puck more. moose didn't play it as often in atl, but started doing it more here so that the defense didn't have to adjust between him and marty. if schneider tries to do the same, it could get ugly. and i really don't trust many on our defense to be able to compensate,
Moose was pretty bad with the puck his first 2 years here, but last year he was an abomination. I believe it was the single worst part of his game and greatly affected the play of the team, especially during the first losing streak. I cannot imagine for the life of me that Schneider is worse than Moose was last year.

And I do not expect anyone to come within sniffing distance of Marty and his puck-handling abilities. I can certainly understand that Moose played the puck more here than anywhere else, but as I said he wasn't really bad until last year.

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Moose has always been bad with the puck since he came to the Devils, but the gaffes may have been more frequent last year. I remember his first ever regular season game with the Devils. He came in for the 3rd in relief of Marty after the Caps lit him up with 5 goals. We were on a PP, and Moose tried to move the puck up the ice, but he passed it to a Cap and they put it into the empty net. This was in front of the net though, most of his gaffes occur behind the net.

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I imagine Lou will try to lock Cory up long term for about 6M. of course that all depends what happens in the next two years but yeah
That would be ideal. If he stays at around his current level, give him 6 years at $6 M per and I'm happy.

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Vancouver trying to save face now to their fans by trading the better goaltender.

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Ya, it is somewhat suspicious that these character issues are cropping up only now, after the entire hockey world has declared it a loss for Vancouver.

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Moose was pretty bad with the puck his first 2 years here, but last year he was an abomination. I believe it was the single worst part of his game and greatly affected the play of the team, especially during the first losing streak. I cannot imagine for the life of me that Schneider is worse than Moose was last year.

And I do not expect anyone to come within sniffing distance of Marty and his puck-handling abilities. I can certainly understand that Moose played the puck more here than anywhere else, but as I said he wasn't really bad until last year.
i'm not saying moose doesn't have a propensity for some ridiculously bad puck plays, i'm just saying that from the goalies i've watched a lot of, he's pretty average. the only reason he seems worse is because he plays it a lot more often than others do.

i haven't seen a ton of schneider, but even if he is better than hedberg, like you said, nobody comes close to marty. like i said though, i'm worried that as long as marty is here, all devils goaltenders are going to be told to play the puck a lot, and obviously most can't do that all that well. it also concerns me that a defense that already consists of some players prone to making a mistake or two won't be able to switch between the two styles easily. schneider and marty are very different goalies who need very different defenses in front of them.

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you know something glenny? youre right about that but since a certain insider came onto the scene, everyones a reporter. if they use their brains theyd know this. im sick of it

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Bill Watters ‏@RealBillWatters 6h Schneider 's exit from Vancouver was precipitated by off ice issues,rather than goaltending and financial as outlined in Gillis'rationale.
None of that is true, couldn't move Luongo for any type of decent value, doubt ownership wanted to buy him out (don't blame them seeing as how he is still a damn good goalie), cap going down and since giving a goalie like Cory to someone in our division seems like a nightmare waiting to happen, you guys got #35.


I won't watch many devils games or anything, any time I've ever though about following a traded player it never goes further than just a thought, so I'm done lying to myself but I will watch his first game.

Always seemed like a real good guy.


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This is seriously the most ludicrous thing you've ever posted here.

I'm sorry I missed it earlier.
Why? is the rest of your team that bad? Cory is a ****ing solid goalie and playing out west/for the most hated team in the league means under appreciated by most people outside of Vancouver, I expect once hes settled in he'll blow your minds.

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07-03-2013, 08:14 PM
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I guess Luongo's untradeable contract is technically an "off ice issue"

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None of that is true, couldn't move Luongo for any type of decent value, doubt ownership wanted to buy him out (don't blame them seeing as how he is still a damn good goalie), cap going down and since giving a goalie like Cory to someone in our division seems like a nightmare waiting to happen, you guys got #35.


I won't watch many devils games or anything, any time I've ever though about following a traded player it never goes further than just a thought, so I'm done lying to myself but I will watch his first game.

Always seemed like a real good guy.
Yeah, that much seems obvious. It looks like they're trying to save some face, since it's pretty clear there was an averse reaction to the trade on the Vancouver side of things.
It's unfortunate that they were backed into such a corner. I can only assume he lost a few friends from the returns he was asking for Luongo?

Now that the dust has settled, how do you guys feel about the trade?


And, a little late, but it's really awesome of all the Vancouver fans to come over with a lot of great info on Schneider. It's been nice reading through all of it.

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Yeah, that much seems obvious. It looks like they're trying to save some face, since it's pretty clear there was an averse reaction to the trade on the Vancouver side of things.
It's unfortunate that they were backed into such a corner. I can only assume he lost a few friends from the returns he was asking for Luongo?

Now that the dust has settled, how do you guys feel about the trade?


And, a little late, but it's really awesome of all the Vancouver fans to come over with a lot of great info on Schneider. It's been nice reading through all of it.
TLDR; I was fine keeping Lu from day one but not because I thought Cory was bad, happy with the trade.


I always wanted to Keep Luongo but I had come to terms with it seeming like Cory would be our goalie going forward, I felt because on the Luongo contract that we'd get better value and that the difference between the two wasn't anywhere near enough to warrant keeping Schneider and getting nothing for Roberto.
There is a good chance I'm wrong, its not that I think Luongo is the better goalie so much as I want him to succeed as a Canuck and shove it in the haters faces, I also felt we as a fan base didn't deserve either one tbh.

On the trade itself? Though I obviously would have one a player with the pick prospect or roster, I'm fine with the value and the day overall, as I've already said in this thread, I most happy because none of the fan bases that were ******** on our goalies over the last year got either one of them.

There is about to be only one goalie in the world who has learned from Luongo and Brodeur, grooming doesn't get any better than that. He doesn't need anymore polish mind you and is ready but getting a few pointers from arguably the greatest goalie to ever play in the NHL can't be bad.

Kind of winded, sorry.

*edit* Really excited for #35 though, I'm happy the sage is over and am pumped to see what he can do starting a full season.

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Schneider's off ice issue is obviously whether or not he can afford to live in Alpine NJ

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TLDR; I was fine keeping Lu from day one but not because I thought Cory was bad, happy with the trade.


I always wanted to Keep Luongo but I had come to terms with it seeming like Cory would be our goalie going forward, I felt because on the Luongo contract that we'd get better value and that the difference between the two wasn't anywhere near enough to warrant keeping Schneider and getting nothing for Roberto.
There is a good chance I'm wrong, its not that I think Luongo is the better goalie so much as I want him to succeed as a Canuck and shove it in the haters faces, I also felt we as a fan base didn't deserve either one tbh.

On the trade itself? Though I obviously would have one a player with the pick prospect or roster, I'm fine with the value and the day overall, as I've already said in this thread, I most happy because none of the fan bases that were ******** on our goalies over the last year got either one of them.

There is about to be only one goalie in the world who has learned from Luongo and Brodeur, grooming doesn't get any better than that. He doesn't need anymore polish mind you and is ready but getting a few pointers from arguably the greatest goalie to ever play in the NHL can't be bad.

Kind of winded, sorry.

*edit* Really excited for #35 though, I'm happy the sage is over and am pumped to see what he can do starting a full season.
Ultimately it seemed like Vancouver got what they initially wanted, but it took a crazy path to get there.
Luongo is still one of the better goalies in the league, it would have helped to have a solid guy like Schneider backing him up and taking the work load off for a while.
Luckily for you guys, though, it looks like Lack is progressing along nicely.

I can't help but root for some success for Luongo considering how much of a pro he's been about all of this.
Hoping to see a solid Luongo vs Schneider matchup sometime this season.

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Schneider's off ice issue is obviously whether or not he can afford to live in Alpine NJ


Well done.

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I would of guessed his off ice issues was the traffic in Vancouver.

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i'm not saying moose doesn't have a propensity for some ridiculously bad puck plays, i'm just saying that from the goalies i've watched a lot of, he's pretty average. the only reason he seems worse is because he plays it a lot more often than others do.

i haven't seen a ton of schneider, but even if he is better than hedberg, like you said, nobody comes close to marty. like i said though, i'm worried that as long as marty is here, all devils goaltenders are going to be told to play the puck a lot, and obviously most can't do that all that well. it also concerns me that a defense that already consists of some players prone to making a mistake or two won't be able to switch between the two styles easily. schneider and marty are very different goalies who need very different defenses in front of them.
I'm not all that worried about the puck handling thing long term cause as they transition from being Marty's team to Cory's team they'll eventually adapt to his strengths as opposed to having him adapt to Marty's game. Especially as they transition (very slowly) to a younger, more mobile D. Marty's puck handling is a godsend with the current grenade handlers but with any luck the old fogies won't be around in two years.

Short term though I could definitely see Cory make some Moose OMFGZ puckhandling mistakes while Marty's still the man here.

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I'm not all that worried about the puck handling thing long term cause as they transition from being Marty's team to Cory's team they'll eventually adapt to his strengths as opposed to having him adapt to Marty's game. Especially as they transition (very slowly) to a younger, more mobile D. Marty's puck handling is a godsend with the current grenade handlers but with any luck the old fogies won't be around in two years.

Short term though I could definitely see Cory make some Moose OMFGZ puckhandling mistakes while Marty's still the man here.
Have to get him a shock collar whenever he dares wander into the trapezoid. They can make a nice you tube video on it, kinda like the one with Schneider and Luongo in Vancouver last year about being #1.

Marty: ''Yeah sometimes we have to keep him in line when he goes out to handle the puck''

Clip of Cory in practice getting shocked when he wanders out of the net

Cory: Yeah it was pretty painful the first few times, but I'm starting to get used to it''

Marty: ''I think we're gonna need to get him another one with increased voltage''

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I'm not all that worried about the puck handling thing long term cause as they transition from being Marty's team to Cory's team they'll eventually adapt to his strengths as opposed to having him adapt to Marty's game. Especially as they transition (very slowly) to a younger, more mobile D. Marty's puck handling is a godsend with the current grenade handlers but with any luck the old fogies won't be around in two years.

Short term though I could definitely see Cory make some Moose OMFGZ puckhandling mistakes while Marty's still the man here.
Let's be real, Marty has made a bunch of those himself in recent years.

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Let's be real, Marty has made a bunch of those himself in recent years.
Marty handles the puck a lot more than that though. The ratio to how many times it happens to him, and how many times it happens to Moose is much lower.

Mike Smith is another guy that is widely regarded as a good puck handler, but even he had at least 2 gaffes in last years playoffs during Phoenix's 3 round playoff run.

Marty's averaged puck handling gaffes at least 1-2 times per year throughout his whole career, but it did seem to happen more in the playoffs last year than any other playoff run. Then again I remember him getting in trouble a bunch of times during the 2000 ECF against the Flyers.

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Cory Schneider is a high falutin, high class huckster! Send him back to Vancouver!

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I would of guessed his off ice issues was the traffic in Vancouver.
He said travel not traffic. I thought the same, until he went onto say that they're "the end of the line" and they don't have a lot of time at home because everything is so far away.

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Just coming in here to let you guys know.. Watters is probably the least credible source anywhere. He's up there with Eklund

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Just coming in here to let you guys know.. Watters is probably the least credible source anywhere. He's up there with Eklund
Figured as much. Thanks.

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