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07-03-2013, 05:04 PM
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Really? Pretty sure he got paid millions of dollars to play hockey (no matter what his on ice performance was like)..

And say what you will about the team's style vs his, but Ballard never once outplayed the lefties ahead of him on the Canucks blueline. Hell he rarely outplayed his most frequent defense partner, Chris Tanev.
He didn't even outperform Andrew Alberts, Aaron Rome, or Cam Barker.

He's seems like a really nice guy, and was obviously not a good fit, but I'd say he had every opportunity to move up the depth chart...his performances just didn't help his cause.

Glad he's gone, worst waste of cap space on the team.

Gillis' biggest mistake (MS agrees) wasn't turfing him after the 2011 Run.

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07-03-2013, 06:07 PM
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He never even outplayed Tanev - maybe once but that was likely it.
That was that one game he actually played

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This is too bad - I thought with AV gone we'd actually get to see his hip checks more often. Still, the league is likely to ban that again.

Unless Gillis had something against him off-ice like too, this has to be a straight salary dump.


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07-03-2013, 07:13 PM
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Ballard was a trooper, never complained, played his hardest. He's just not worth his cap hit though, had to go.

GL Keith.

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07-03-2013, 07:16 PM
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Gillis' biggest mistake (MS agrees) wasn't turfing him after the 2011 Run.
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We could've kept Ehrhoff if Gillis found a way to rectify his mistake... ugh

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07-03-2013, 07:23 PM
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Ballard should have been traded in the 2011 offseason for whatever small return he would have garnered. At least then they might have had a small chance of bringing back Ehrhoff.

Have no problem with the original Ballard trade, it looked like a smart move. But it was clear after 2011 that he was not the top four d-man the Canucks thought they were trading for. Gillis took far too long to cut bait.

I guess have to hope Gillis learned a lesson with Ballard/Luongo.

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07-03-2013, 07:26 PM
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i feel that gillis is the worst poker player like ever. he tries to bluff people into trades when everyone can see he doesn't have the leverage he's trying to create. the luongo cluster****. the ******** edler trading block smoke screen. and putting ballard on regular waivers is the height of that. why would any gm pick him and his crap contract up before the obvious move to buy him out 2 days later? so transparently dumb.

gillis (pair of 4s): ALL IN MOTHER****ERS.
nonis: call.
tallon: call.
lamoriello: call.
snow: call.
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Hopefully Gillis the donk lucks out and Horvat turns out to be a four.

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07-03-2013, 07:26 PM
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He didn't even outperform Andrew Alberts, Aaron Rome, or Cam Barker.

He's seems like a really nice guy, and was obviously not a good fit, but I'd say he had every opportunity to move up the depth chart...his performances just didn't help his cause.

Glad he's gone, worst waste of cap space on the team.

Gillis' biggest mistake (MS agrees) wasn't turfing him after the 2011 Run.
He was better than Barker, but that's it.

That said, if he was making 1.5 it would've been nice to see him under a new coach. Just not an option at his cap hit.

Seems like a nice guy though, so good luck to him.

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07-03-2013, 08:08 PM
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We could've kept Ehrhoff if Gillis found a way to rectify his mistake... ugh
Again, hindsight is great in this case...

Gillis would've been fired if it turned out Ballard simply had an awful year and he had a bounceback season the following year after being dumped by the Canucks for likely nothing more than a 3rd rounder. After being acquired for a prospect who had just scored 30 goals and a 1st round pick. IIRC, Ballard and Hamhuis were the only two defenseman signed long term at that point, with no guarantee that they could keep Bieksa either.

And while this is no justification, Ehrhoff might've been easier to let go because despite being top-10 in Norris voting that year, he was acquired for next to nothing. Patrick White and Daniel Rahimi in terms of assets were worth way less than what Ehrhoff had already provided, but they hadn't yet gotten any sort of return on Ballard relative to the price they paid.

Yes, it looks absolutely awful now, but you can't blame Gillis IMO for not having that foresight regarding Ballard. It'd be like blaming him for not buying out Burrows after next season if his game suddenly falls off a cliff.

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07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
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One way or another some of the loose ends are being tied up which is a good thing. Gillis should act more quickly instead of hoping his mistakes will work out in the future.

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07-03-2013, 08:19 PM
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We could've kept Ehrhoff if Gillis found a way to rectify his mistake... ugh
yea, but we would still be in the same place today in regards to cap pressure and buy outs, we would have just gone down a different worm whole.

we may have had to let go Burrows or Hansen or Higgins, or two of the three

Or we may not have signed Edler

Some will say they would rather Ehrhoff then Edler, but it is still a whole other kettle of fish and people would be complaining about something else.

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07-03-2013, 08:25 PM
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We could've kept Ehrhoff if Gillis found a way to rectify his mistake... ugh
Yup. This team looks so much better with Ehrhoff instead of Ballard.

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07-03-2013, 09:32 PM
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It would have been really interesting to see how things would have played out if we dumped Ballard and kept Edler. I wonder how it would have affected our salary structure.

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It would have been really interesting to see how things would have played out if we dumped Ballard and kept Edler. I wonder how it would have affected our salary structure.
I'm assuming you mean traded Edler and kept Ballard?

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07-03-2013, 10:14 PM
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I was so excited when he got a goal in the first game in 2012 season against Pittsburgh I thought he was going to have a breakout year

I was very wrong. Bye Ballard

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I predict he lands in Minnesota.

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Again, hindsight is great in this case...

Gillis would've been fired if it turned out Ballard simply had an awful year and he had a bounceback season the following year after being dumped by the Canucks for likely nothing more than a 3rd rounder. After being acquired for a prospect who had just scored 30 goals and a 1st round pick. IIRC, Ballard and Hamhuis were the only two defenseman signed long term at that point, with no guarantee that they could keep Bieksa either.

And while this is no justification, Ehrhoff might've been easier to let go because despite being top-10 in Norris voting that year, he was acquired for next to nothing. Patrick White and Daniel Rahimi in terms of assets were worth way less than what Ehrhoff had already provided, but they hadn't yet gotten any sort of return on Ballard relative to the price they paid.

Yes, it looks absolutely awful now, but you can't blame Gillis IMO for not having that foresight regarding Ballard. It'd be like blaming him for not buying out Burrows after next season if his game suddenly falls off a cliff.
I don't know about it being hindsight, but after the SCF it was painfully obvious he wasn't a good fit and needed to go ASAP. The 2011 off-season was all about picking two of Bieksa, Ballard and Ehrhoff - and Gillis made his choice. I'd hope Aquilini and co., as businessmen, know the meaning of opportunity and sunk cost - it doesn't matter if Ehrhoff was acquired for peanuts or if Ballard cost a late 1st and Grabner (who was waived by the Panthers anyway). These decisions are made at the margin.

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I don't know about it being hindsight, but after the SCF it was painfully obvious he wasn't a good fit and needed to go ASAP. The 2011 off-season was all about picking two of Bieksa, Ballard and Ehrhoff - and Gillis made his choice. I'd hope Aquilini and co., as businessmen, know the meaning of opportunity and sunk cost - it doesn't matter if Ehrhoff was acquired for peanuts or if Ballard cost a late 1st and Grabner (who was waived by the Panthers anyway). These decisions are made at the margin.
the consideration is that he had a pretty horrible year with regards to injuries. ehrhoff wasn't kept because ballard was, ehrhoff wasnt kept because they had to choose between another retirement contract or paying him too much


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Yeah, Ballard was not what kept the team from re-signing Ehrhoff. His contract demands were.

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the consideration is that he had a pretty horrible year with regards to injuries. ehrhoff wasn't kept because ballard was, ehrhoff wasnt kept because they had to choose between another retirement contract or paying him too much
Well said. Had Gillis signed that Buffalo style 'Hoff contract. This franchise would be in 100x Jay Feaster's Cap Hell description

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Maybe I'm misremembering, but I didn't think it was ever keep Ballard or Edler over Ehrhoff.

Wasn't it pretty much keeping Bieksa or Ehrhoff at the time?

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Maybe I'm misremembering, but I didn't think it was ever keep Ballard or Edler over Ehrhoff.

Wasn't it pretty much keeping Bieksa or Ehrhoff at the time?
I believe so because Bieksa was a UFA the same time Ehrhoff was IIRC, so it was one or the other at that point in time - we picked Bieksa.

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I think if he could, Gillis would undo the Ballard trade if he could.

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I think if he could, Gillis would undo the Ballard trade if he could.
Doesn't that completely go without saying?

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Well said. Had Gillis signed that Buffalo style 'Hoff contract. This franchise would be in 100x Jay Feaster's Cap Hell description
Why? Ehrhoff's cap hit is lower than Garrison/Hamhuis/Edler/Bieksa as well as Ballard.

The issues Canucks had with the contract demands of Ehrhoff was the front loaded nature of it that he wanted ($10M year 1, $8M year 2) as well as the long term, which brings him to roughly 38 years old.

For the first 6-7 years of the deal, Ehrhoff's contract is beyond a steal if you're willing to fork over the cash up front.

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