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06-19-2013, 07:05 PM
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Not at all interested in Wiz from a Leafs perspective.

There is more than enough offense on the backend. It would make more sense to target someone who is more of a shutdown type.
This. Phaneuf need a defensive dman to be effective.

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say what you want about Wiz , but he is a valued member of our team and i hope he stays with us ...

he has a cannon ( pun intended ) from the point and plays hard ... just the kinda guy we need to show our kids the ropes imo -

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and neither are wanted by us...so yeah...
Grabovski would easily be the Blue Jackets best centre. If management really is looking to buy out Wiz I think they would jump all over a Wiz/Grabo swap. Especially if the Leafs retained a million of his salary.

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We're 1 for 2 on MTL reclamation projects (Grabo worked, Komi didn't)
Um did i miss a couple of seasons in recent memory that grabo was worth 5.5? The days where he was worth 5.5 are LONG GONE. I wouldnt really call grabo a great deal....

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Grabovski would easily be the Blue Jackets best centre. If management really is looking to buy out Wiz I think they would jump all over a Wiz/Grabo swap. Especially if the Leafs retained a million of his salary.
i'll agree to disagree on that one...

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Grabovski would easily be the Blue Jackets best centre. If management really is looking to buy out Wiz I think they would jump all over a Wiz/Grabo swap. Especially if the Leafs retained a million of his salary.
Well first, we already said they weren't looking to buy him out.

Second, Anisimov is better than Grabovski. We have plenty of 2nd/3rd line centers as it is.

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I look at our RHD depth without Wiz and cringe. I doubt he gets moved

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Well first, we already said they weren't looking to buy him out.

Second, Anisimov is better than Grabovski. We have plenty of 2nd/3rd line centers as it is.
My apologies, I didn't realize you are part of the management team. Considering you think Anisimov is better than Grabovski, I don't have a lot of faith in the future of your organization.

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Grabovski would easily be the Blue Jackets best centre. If management really is looking to buy out Wiz I think they would jump all over a Wiz/Grabo swap. Especially if the Leafs retained a million of his salary.
After the past couple seasons i doubt he would even be better then Letestu at the point. I've watch countless Leaf games and im gonna guess you've watched few to no Blue Jacket games. The Blue Jackets are no longer a laughing stalk in the league and next year in the east some people are gonna be in all honesty surprised by the play of a guy like Anisimov now that he's given more of an opportunity.

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My apologies, I didn't realize you are part of the management team. Considering you think Anisimov is better than Grabovski, I don't have a lot of faith in the future of your organization.
We don't employ guys like you, so I guess we could be doing much worse


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My apologies, I didn't realize you are part of the management team. Considering you think Anisimov is better than Grabovski, I don't have a lot of faith in the future of your organization.
I'd have to guess you don't make a habit of watching Columbus play.

By the way, with Grabovski's disappearing act all year capped by his wonderful playoffs performance, I can only guess you forgot the sarcasm smiley.

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06-19-2013, 10:48 PM
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personally, only player i have any actual interest in is JVR...not saying there aren't good players on TOR...just from a CBJ organizational standpoint, Kessel's salary doesn't make sense, and Phaneuf is your captain...the rest are 2nd/3rd liners that we have a lot of already
This re: JVR. Unless, since Grabovsky is so good, Leafs decide to trade Kadri.

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06-20-2013, 12:06 AM
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Wisniewski has been fine here, and he's not getting bought out.

And neither is Umberger.

Also, who is CLB?

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06-20-2013, 07:03 AM
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...Also, who is CLB?
CLB is the preferred notation for Columbus, rather than COL, CBS, CLS, etc. CBJ is short for Columbus Blue Jackets. Surprised by your comment on it, CBJB16, its been in use from the beginning for league stats, standings, and such.

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We don't employ imbeciles like you, so I guess we could be doing much worse
Wow, harsh. A little over the line over a disagreement in value. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

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Wow, harsh. A little over the line over a disagreement in value. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
I was actually on my way to change the wording. It was, IMO, way too harsh.

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CLB is the preferred notation for Columbus, rather than COL, CBS, CLS, etc. CBJ is short for Columbus Blue Jackets. Surprised by your comment on it, CBJB16, its been in use from the beginning for league stats, standings, and such.
Yeah I know, it was more annoyance that people still call us CLB or CLS. Its CBJ, nothing more, nothing less.

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theres no way Toronto wants this guy.

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I'd have to guess you don't make a habit of watching Columbus play.

By the way, with Grabovski's disappearing act all year capped by his wonderful playoffs performance, I can only guess you forgot the sarcasm smiley.
It is amazing how one poor season can shape and totally reverse whatever positive reputation a player had.

Here's Grabovski's past 5 NHL seasons:

2008-2009: 78GP/20G/28A/48P
2009-2010: 59GP/10G/25A/35P
2010-2011: 81GP/29G/29A/58P
2011-2012: 74GP/23G/28A/51P
2012-2013: 48GP/9G/7A/16P

Which of the seasons are most representative of a player's capability? The four previous seasons, in which he scored at or above a 50 point pace, or the half season, following a lockout, in which he scored at half that? Any sensible person would say the former.

If Blue Jackets fans don't want to trade Wiz for Grabovski, I can't blame them. Wiz is a good player in his own right, but to put forward some of the arguments written here?

If you really think Mark Letestu or Artem Anisimov are better players than Mikhail Grabovski, then I don't know what to tell you. The facts don't back you up.

And for the record, anyone who actually watched the games, knows how well he played in the playoffs. It may not have shown up on the stat sheet but he was buzzing all series.

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It is amazing how one poor season can shape and totally reverse whatever positive reputation a player had.

Here's Grabovski's past 5 NHL seasons:

2008-2009: 78GP/20G/28A/48P
2009-2010: 59GP/10G/25A/35P
2010-2011: 81GP/29G/29A/58P
2011-2012: 74GP/23G/28A/51P
2012-2013: 48GP/9G/7A/16P

Which of the seasons are most representative of a player's capability? The four previous seasons, in which he scored at or above a 50 point pace, or the half season, following a lockout, in which he scored at half that? Any sensible person would say the former.

If Blue Jackets fans don't want to trade Wiz for Grabovski, I can't blame them. Wiz is a good player in his own right, but to put forward some of the arguments written here?

If you really think Mark Letestu or Artem Anisimov are better players than Mikhail Grabovski, then I don't know what to tell you. The facts don't back you up.

And for the record, anyone who actually watched the games, knows how well he played in the playoffs. It may not have shown up on the stat sheet but he was buzzing all series.
So you compare Grabovski and Anisimov based on stats to say Grabovski is better but then say don't look at the stat sheet in the playoffs to see how good he was? I've watched Grabovski probably as much or more then you and he is a damn fine player but i can easily bet you haven't seen Anisimov enough to make that kind of judgement. You are looking at a statsheet and saying hmm our player is better then yours. I like Grabovski but Wiz fills a need for us, lets leave it at that

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Toronto wouldn't be looking to add another offensive Dman... We have Phaneuf, Franson, and Gardiner already in the line-up with Liles in the press-box and Rielly in juniors.

If we're looking for a #2 Dman, our defense would look like this:
Phaneuf - XXX
Gardiner - Franson
Gunnarson - Rielly/Fraser

We're most likely looking for a #2 Defensive/2-way Dman that can fill in for 2-3 years before Rielly (hopefully) takes over with our defense then looking something like: (obviously some prospects shine while others bust, but as of now)

Phaneuf - Rielly
Gardiner - Franson
Finn - Percy (or the vet who was filling in for the #2 spot)

Granberg, Blacker, Fraser as 7th dmen (or somebody that impresses from our prospect pool)

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So you compare Grabovski and Anisimov based on stats to say Grabovski is better but then say don't look at the stat sheet in the playoffs to see how good he was? I've watched Grabovski probably as much or more then you and he is a damn fine player but i can easily bet you haven't seen Anisimov enough to make that kind of judgement. You are looking at a statsheet and saying hmm our player is better then yours. I like Grabovski but Wiz fills a need for us, lets leave it at that
There's quite a bit of difference between producing over a 7 game series and an 82 game season.

Unless Anisimov has become one of defensive forwards in the league (he hasn't), I don't how he is a better player than Grabovski. He may have had a better season but he isn't a better player.

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Grabovski would easily be the Blue Jackets best centre. If management really is looking to buy out Wiz I think they would jump all over a Wiz/Grabo swap. Especially if the Leafs retained a million of his salary.
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My apologies, I didn't realize you are part of the management team. Considering you think Anisimov is better than Grabovski, I don't have a lot of faith in the future of your organization.
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It is amazing how one poor season can shape and totally reverse whatever positive reputation a player had.

Here's Grabovski's past 5 NHL seasons:

2008-2009: 78GP/20G/28A/48P
2009-2010: 59GP/10G/25A/35P
2010-2011: 81GP/29G/29A/58P
2011-2012: 74GP/23G/28A/51P
2012-2013: 48GP/9G/7A/16P

Which of the seasons are most representative of a player's capability? The four previous seasons, in which he scored at or above a 50 point pace, or the half season, following a lockout, in which he scored at half that? Any sensible person would say the former.

If Blue Jackets fans don't want to trade Wiz for Grabovski, I can't blame them. Wiz is a good player in his own right, but to put forward some of the arguments written here?

If you really think Mark Letestu or Artem Anisimov are better players than Mikhail Grabovski, then I don't know what to tell you. The facts don't back you up.

And for the record, anyone who actually watched the games, knows how well he played in the playoffs. It may not have shown up on the stat sheet but he was buzzing all series.

And since Grobovski is so valuable, the Leafs have decided to buy him out and let any team have him for free.

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And since Grobovski is so valuable, the Leafs have decided to buy him out and let any team have him for free.
Was this really worth resurrecting the thread for that?

Leafs fans are pissed at the Grabo buyout. No need to do this.

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