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07-04-2013, 08:13 PM
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Remember when trading for Kaberle was this monumental disaster?

Say it with me "I trust in Bergevin" LMAO
There are people judge a move based on what the move actually entails and the results. There are other people who judge a move based on merely WHO the GM is and whether they like them or not. I wonder which one you are...

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His contract was over this year and Briere is exactly what we don't need. Pacioretty and Plekanec must be on suicide watch.

I was hoping Bergevin would bring some intelligence to the club but it seems he is about as brain dead as it gets.
Kaberle was pretty bad. He signed, sucked, and we traded for him. What was Gauthier thinking?

Briere will help the team for sure, it just matters if he'll help enough to validate the deal. At best he'll be a fair deal. I find it hard to believe in 2 years we'd call it a steal. Just too much risk with health and him declining to be worth it.

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Briere isn't signed for 7 years at 7M+, nor did we give up assets to obtain him. So no, not at all the same situation, and ya, chill the fak out. Or you know, do what you do best and go full teenage high school girl drama style.
Briere is old, and declining, but he fits a need as a right wing depth player. He's signed for two years at 4M and then he'll be gone, big whoop. Is he taking the spot of some youngster that was ready to come in?? Nope. I disagree on it not making us better, he won't be detrimental to our club, I don't believe that. On a 3rd wing with strong puck guys like Eller and Gally, I think he can fit right in.

So what are we crying about here?..I expect our team to be competitive in 2years, not before then. Precisely why I wanted PK signed to cheap long term deal asap.
Guys like MaxPac, Eller, PK, Galla, Gally, Emelin will enter their good stages of maturity. We'll have younger guys like Tinordi, Beaulieu, Collberg coming along.
We're not going to win now, or next year. So ya, I won't start screaming at my cpu screen that we sign Danny freaking Briere for two years.

Not to mention, maybe more things will unfold before the season starts.
Basically my thoughts. People seem to think that the habs are supposed to build a cup contender for next year or the year after. It'll take time people, deals like Briere's are just stopgaps until one of our youngsters takes his spot.

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07-04-2013, 08:15 PM
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This still isn't as bad as the DD extension. I mean, the DD extension is, by proxy, the whole reason we're pissed about this.
Exactly. Dumb move when it was made. Blatantly obvious that he was the odd centre out. Sign him for 1-2 years then move him.

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There are people judge a move based on what the move actually entails and the results. There are other people who judge a move based on merely WHO the GM is and whether they like them or not. I wonder which one you are...
There are also people who lick boots and would praise any move ever made so long as they can pretend to be "enlightened". I guess you fit into that category.

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Basically my thoughts. People seem to think that the habs are supposed to build a cup contender for next year or the year after. It'll take time people, deals like Briere's are just stopgaps until one of our youngsters takes his spot.
I see it as .... Yes, we want size, but this UFA pops up who has some high-reward potential and is willing to take a short-term deal. And they just figured why not give it shot. So, it's not so much that I wanted Briere in particular, but that I understood it.

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To borrow from good ole Winston Churchill, with changes appropriate to the context,

"Never have so many cried so loud and so hard about so little"

It's a 2 year contract at $4 M per and people are reacting like it was the mirror image of the Gomez contract Gainey was kind enough to acquire on our behalf. Bergevin is NOT A FOOL. He is very much aware of the need to add size to the Habs and I'm sure he will do it when it's a deal, be it UFA or trade, that makes sense and is in the best interests of the team. For now, this is a 2 year $4 M contract. Pretty small potatoes from where I sit. Really not worth getting all wraught up over.

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To borrow from good ole Winston Churchill, with changes appropriate to the context,

"Never have so many cried so loud and so hard about so little"

It's a 2 year contract at $4 M per and people are reacting like it was the mirror image of the Gomez contract Gainey was kind enough to acquire on our behalf. Bergevin is NOT A FOOL. He is very much aware of the need to add size to the Habs and I'm sure he will do it when it's a deal, be it UFA or trade, that makes sense and is in the best interests of the team. For now, this is a 2 year $4 M contract. Really not worth getting all wraught up over.
It is since currently we have 5 million left to play with and we need... a physical top 6 scorer, a 3rd line PK/Face-off specialist, a 4th liner who can play and fight, a minute eating defenseman and a stay-at-home crease clearing D.

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I must say that I feel more comfortable with plekanec-briere-eller centre trio than plekanec-desharnais-eller. This means that one pricey centre will be the odd man out.

Seeing as how desharnais was just signed recently, its hard to see him being dealt. I can't see how the team gets better by trading plekanec, so lets rule that out. Eller has the blend of size, speed and skill that makes him a valuable centre on this club, so he should be safe. Briere obviously wont move.

So what happens? Do you move one of them to the wing? Perhaps. But I dont think you're utilizing these players properly by doing so, and it also raises the question of which winger you will take out in order for it to happen.

You can't stick any of these guys on the 4th line and expect them to be successful.

As this move sinks in more, it just further makes me believe that the habs are not done. Could Bergy actually dump desharnais for a draft pick just months after signing him to a new deal? Would another team take that contract on?

I'm all for centre depth, but I just don't like the way the habs are building it up right now.

I'm excited and frightened at the same time, about what this all means.

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Of course you need a plan B and C. But what I'm saying is that he put himself in a bad situation by signing redundancy into the lineup. You can bet your ass that other GMs will raise their price and lower their offers now that he has put himself in that position. As for the free agency, I don't see who he can sign that would make this make sense, and besides it's the same situation where you don't know who will want to sign at the price you want them to. It's a bad position to put yourself in, just like what Gainey did in 09. Gainey was dead set in letting Koivu go but did not have a concrete plan to replace him. He ended up doing a lateral move and paid a premium to do it.
We'll see. Still too early.

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Finally some sanity. Agree on all counts.
We had a better than expected start, then stumbled ass backwards into 2 place largely because Boston stank on ice as bad as we did at the end. if played more than a half season we would have kept sinking like a stone and there is no way we finish second in the east. Then we lost and were manhandled by the gd Ottawa senators, a good team but not a model of physically imposing.

If we don't get bigger and take some of the pressure of Prust, we can expect more of the same. Good regular season then foldarama against a team imposing their will on us.

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I've been drinking trying to forget about this.

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Yeah, you're right. I guess I imagined all those times he goes and stands in front of the net, taking abuse to screen the goalie.

Although I admit, he did a lot less of that this year and I think that was a big part of why he wasn't as successful.
That is the description of Gallagher's style, not DD.

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That is the description of Gallagher's style, not DD.
DD goes in front of the net. I don't think he's effective at it but he does it.

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There are also people who lick boots and would praise any move ever made so long as they can pretend to be "enlightened". I guess you fit into that category.
You obviously didn't read his comments about this move.

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This still isn't as bad as the DD extension. I mean, the DD extension is, by proxy, the whole reason we're pissed about this.
Its what i keep telling myself...if there is no DD, ..im actually THRILLED with the signing

but as it stands, both 5"6-5"7 players DD and gionta are still on this team...

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WAIT we gave him a NMC? or some type of limited NTC?

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WAIT we gave him a NMC? or some type of limited NTC?
Two-years. Meh. Basically means he gets to decide what team he wants to go to if we do want to trade him. We didn't give up any assets, so if that decreases his value in a trade its not such a big loss.

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There are also people who lick boots and would praise any move ever made so long as they can pretend to be "enlightened". I guess you fit into that category.
You would be right if I haven't been hating on Bergevin's last 2 moves, especially this one, the past couple of days. Or the Desharnais extension. Or the Bouillon extension. Or the Subban non long term extension. hmm....

On the other hand, I don't think I've read you even criticize one move Gauthier made. Even ending up 3rd last after actually trying to make the playoffs as late into season as the Kaberle trade is being twisted into a positive move.

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WAIT we gave him a NMC? or some type of limited NTC?
Who cares, every player gets them now.

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It is since currently we have 5 million left to play with and we need... a physical top 6 scorer, a 3rd line PK/Face-off specialist, a 4th liner who can play and fight, a minute eating defenseman and a stay-at-home crease clearing D.
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And you actually expect Bergevin to acquire all that in one off season. Last time someone pulled something like that off the Red Sea parted. It's a process, and whether we like it or not, it's going to take time to fill all the holes and there's a **** load of them.

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You obviously didn't read his comments about this move.
A lot of people don't read the posts that they are quoting... Blindly typing a absolute opinion is much easier.

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To borrow from good ole Winston Churchill, with changes appropriate to the context,

"Never have so many cried so loud and so hard about so little"

It's a 2 year contract at $4 M per and people are reacting like it was the mirror image of the Gomez contract Gainey was kind enough to acquire on our behalf. Bergevin is NOT A FOOL. He is very much aware of the need to add size to the Habs and I'm sure he will do it when it's a deal, be it UFA or trade, that makes sense and is in the best interests of the team. For now, this is a 2 year $4 M contract. Really not worth getting all wraught up over.
The move in and of itself is not a big deal I agree. It's the implication behind it that are. We basically lowballed Subban to sign this guy. That's the benefit we reap out of it ultimately.

We basically discarded Cole and Ryder, and ended up picking a washed up 36 year old diminutive center who brings more of the same as we had.

The problem is that we aren't moving forward. At best we're moving laterally. And you have to wonder what exactly Briere has left in the tank.

I was told to wait and see what MB would do with the cap room he saved with the Subban hold out. I'm extremely disappointed with the results.

Now I'm told to wait and see because we have 5 of the same player in our top 9 and it can't stay like that. Ok, I'll wait and see what is MB's next move, and I've been backing him up until now, but I'm rapidly getting more and more worried that he's in over his head.

Plus, it bears repeating, I hate Briere. I have always hated him. Getting him now at 36 when he's washed up... argh...This makes this so much worse.

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Basically my thoughts. People seem to think that the habs are supposed to build a cup contender for next year or the year after. It'll take time people, deals like Briere's are just stopgaps until one of our youngsters takes his spot.
This deal doesn't stopgap anything... we have ZERO need for what a 36 year old, declining Briere brings to this team.

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And you actually expect Bergevin to acquire all that in one off season. Last time someone pulled something like that off the Red Sea parted. It's a process, and whether we like it or not, it's going to take time to fill all the holes and there's a **** load of them.
I know it's a process but taking on a big contract without moving one that he created through his own stupidity, makes that process unnecessarily difficult.

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