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07-03-2013, 01:34 PM
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You do know that it was Brownlee, who called the Acton hire and the retaining of Smith and Buchberger, three weeks BEFORE it was announced, right?
(Jason Gregor)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/6/9/kei...cting-the-dots

Throw it out the window?
Robin..? Is that you..?

lol @ "Brownlee called it". Never mind that MacT pretty much spelled it out in the Eakins introduction, saying 'I sure hope he keeps the assistants'? Yeah uh...stellar job he did decoding that. The guy is a wizard.

But whatever, doesn't matter. You respect Brownlee, good on 'ya. IMO he's our Garrioch. Agree to disagree. My point is- stop saying "by all accounts" if "all" = 1 persons opinion.

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07-03-2013, 01:42 PM
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That's fine, that aspect of gming he was 100 times better than MacT and from what I have heard from MacT re spilling the beans on who he wants to draft, who is not going to be on the team, that we need to upgrade tending, that he has dreams about who we should pick in the draft Tambo might not be alone with the head in the vacuum bit.
Tambo aside, I do agree with that 40's made in the USA propaganda "loose lips, sink ships". This is the problem of a rookie GM, and problems it will create. I think we all know by now the problem is KLowe and his nepotism.

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07-03-2013, 02:34 PM
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Robin..? Is that you..?

lol @ "Brownlee called it". Never mind that MacT pretty much spelled it out in the Eakins introduction, saying 'I sure hope he keeps the assistants'? Yeah uh...stellar job he did decoding that. The guy is a wizard.

But whatever, doesn't matter. You respect Brownlee, good on 'ya. IMO he's our Garrioch. Agree to disagree. My point is- stop saying "by all accounts" if "all" = 1 persons opinion.
Did Mact say they were going to hire Acton? Because Brownlee did.

Seems like he either knows what is going on, or he is a really good guesser. Either way, he spelled it out, and he identified the reason why Buchberger has been along for the ride the whole time.

You are only embarrassing yourself here.

One last thing.........

Brownlee's article in question came out BEFORE Eakins was hired/announced as head coach of the Oilers and BEFORE Mact's comments hoping for Buchberger and Smith to be retained.


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07-03-2013, 03:22 PM
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Did Mact say they were going to hire Acton? Because Brownlee did.

Seems like he either knows what is going on, or he is a really good guesser. Either way, he spelled it out, and he identified the reason why Buchberger has been along for the ride the whole time.

You are only embarrassing yourself here.
I'm embarrassing myself by pointing out that your criteria for Worlds Greatest Oilers Insider = repeating what our GM said in a press conference. Gotchya.

I won't get into Acton other than to say Brownlee wasn't the only guy to bring his name up. I could elaborate there but why bother. Once you get your 'point' countered you drop it completely and come back with a condescending remark.

I have no idea why you're stuck on Brownlee and why you care what I think of him. For the 3rd (4th? 5th?) time, I'm not interested in debating that with you. Go right ahead and respect the opinions of whomever you choose and don't feel the need to keep on trying to justify that with me, I'm not too concerned about who you like and dislike.

My issue, again for the 3rd (4th? 5th?) time, was your use of the term "by all accounts". You said it to try and make a weak argument stronger, and you got called on it. Not sure what else to say there other than; deal with it and move on.

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07-03-2013, 03:32 PM
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Have you heard of the upcoming 2013-14 season?

See how that works.

The club needs help in the lineup For next season.
And you don't think that teams will accept draft picks for next summers draft this summer???

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We are about to pay Gagner 5M x long term... I would rather see that money go to Lecavalier and wouldnt mind a player like that here for the next 4 yrs..
obviously hindsight now but yeah if you could have traded Gagners rights for something good and then sign Lecavalier. He's still only a 4 or 5 season player, and probably not effective for half that contract.

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The article is titled "MacT more PATIENT than advertised", not "better".
I dont know why it was represented as "Better" either

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07-03-2013, 05:41 PM
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And you don't think that teams will accept draft picks for next summers draft this summer???
This years picks would have more currency due to immediacy of realized value, the Oiler could've pushed hard for a meaningful trade, have an earlier deal finalized, better idea of who is onboard for this year and the combined advantage of possibly attracting other free agents if its seen that this club is making meaningful deals and additions to improve its competitiveness and lineup for this season. As it is we haven't set the table real well for the free agent market.

We still have all questions and no answers this offseason.


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07-04-2013, 10:31 AM
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MacT announcing that the dressing room has been a circus didn't exactly strengthen the value of the players he wants to move out.

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MacT announcing that the dressing room has been a circus didn't exactly strengthen the value of the players he wants to move out.
maybe he was trying to make them appeal to philly since they are all a bunch of clowns anyway

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07-04-2013, 06:50 PM
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Maybe the Oilers should have hired Jim Nill to be the GM.

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07-04-2013, 08:50 PM
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Hmm, I wonder how much of a failure he is for dealing Horcoff.


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07-04-2013, 08:58 PM
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Maybe the Oilers should have hired Jim Nill to be the GM.
Maybe they should have at least interviewed him*. Or somebody else.






*Not that I endorse this thread, the current firing of MacT, or any from-the-hip criticism of him at this point.

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07-04-2013, 09:25 PM
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There you have it folks! Offseason is a success.

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07-04-2013, 09:32 PM
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I've liked MacT as GM so far, there hasn't been a move I've disagreed with him on yet. Very very happy.

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07-04-2013, 09:56 PM
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I've liked MacT as GM so far, there hasn't been a move I've disagreed with him on yet. Very very happy.
The most recent move seems to be a good step forward.

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07-04-2013, 10:00 PM
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There you have it folks! Offseason is a success.
Just like how the off season was a failure after one day!

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Maybe the Oilers should have hired Jim Nill to be the GM.
Could you imagine if Nill came to our team and traded for a Horcoff contract?

We would flip. Attaboy MacT.

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Just like how the off season was a failure after one day!
Is it looking like a success now? Just asking because of the timing of your post.

What is unloading horc really accomplished? Are we better now?

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Is it looking like a success now? Just asking because of the timing of your post.

What is unloading horc really accomplished? Are we better now?
A crapton of capspace and a new captain?

Don't get me wrong, I've always said the C is just a letter, but a fresh face as the captain might help.

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Is it looking like a success now? Just asking because of the timing of your post.

What is unloading horc really accomplished? Are we better now?
A lot of people have been arguing against premature judgement of the offseason performance based on only the first act. It doesn't really make sense to respond by asking them to also prematurely judge the offseason.

We've heard that we can pre-judge MacT's performance after the first week or so of his offseason, based on the preconception that he was going to be passive and inactive. We have a counterexample, that implies maybe he won't be, so judging this move based on the idea that there are no further followup moves is also senseless.

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Lets see, he signed one of the KHLs top Dmen, upgraded our coaching, didn't make any stupid trades at the draft and convinced someone to take Horcoff at full salary. Great job so far. Now lets see what free agent day brings.

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Is it looking like a success now? Just asking because of the timing of your post.

What is unloading horc really accomplished? Are we better now?
Did I say that? I don't believe I did.

What I did say, and I'll say it again (in bold this time so people won't miss it)

ITS TOO EARLY TO JUDGE HIS MOVES.

Unloading an overpaid terrible contract. Don't bother playing Devils Advocate again. I don't really need to explain why Horcoff being gone is an addition by subtraction. I really don't.

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Lets see, he signed one of the KHLs top Dmen, upgraded our coaching, didn't make any stupid trades at the draft and convinced someone to take Horcoff at full salary. Great job so far. Now lets see what free agent day brings.
and apparently we got Larsen back from the stars? Can anyone confirm this?


k , according to Dreger we got Larsen and a 7th for Horcoff. No salary retained. No cap retained. Dallas apparently will need it all.

Larsen 6'0" RHD 23 yrs old

nhlnumbers.com already has him on our team. owed 1.15M this year, cap hit of 1.025, will be a RFA next july.


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Did I say that? I don't believe I did.

What I did say, and I'll say it again (in bold this time so people won't miss it)

ITS TOO EARLY TO JUDGE HIS MOVES.

Unloading an overpaid terrible contract. Don't bother playing Devils Advocate again. I don't really need to explain why Horcoff being gone is an addition by subtraction. I really don't.
But there you would be wrong. Horcoff performed what his coaches asked of him fairly well.

Trading Horcoff has made the Oilers worse.

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Is it looking like a success now? Just asking because of the timing of your post.

What is unloading horc really accomplished? Are we better now?
You are persistent as hell in trying to put a negative spin on everything aren't you?

Yes, this trade is indicative of a clear, unsullied, pure success. If we are grading him on his moves up to this point and assuming that there will be more to come, his summer has been a success.

He has:
-Grabbed a highly sought after and highly regarded Head Coach to begin his own tenure as GM.
-Signed the KHL defenseman of the year to a cheap contract without giving up a single asset.
-Drafted Nurse, who at absolute WORST was the second best option, and had way less question marks then the alternative.
-Turned 1 pick into 5, and grabbed a couple quality Russian sleepers with two of those who have relationships with our young superstar.
-Turned a bloated contract attached to a valueless player into cap space without giving up any additional assets or taking on anything debilitating himself.

Those are all successes. We are in a better position now than we were when he started. You can make assumptions of what was possible for him to do other than these moves, but you have no idea what the actual options were so this is what you have to grade him on. Based on all those moves, I have confidence he will continue to make more good ones.

Don't bother turning it into an argument, you just made the ignore list.

edit: shogun99, apparently we're on the same page

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