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07-05-2013, 09:58 AM
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Nah... Green Bay can get the Rodgers and Matthews because the league revenue sharing is done differently.

Big spenders are allowed to go over and pay a "fine" to other teams if doing it. Not sure this is still on.

You forget one very important problem in the NFL: some teams cannot afford to pick early and are forced to trade down. This is 100% true. That part is not socialistic friendly.
Haha no. Teams didn't trade down when there was a rookie salary cap, they are able to trade down now because there is a rookie salary cap.

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I feel Bernier will get an Offersheet from the Flyers.

Something stupid and low, and the Leafs will match.
Remember that Bernier doesn't have to accept an offer sheet.

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No may the Isles let Hamonic walk unless somebody offers him a ridiculous contract.....

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I feel Bernier will get an Offersheet from the Flyers.

Something stupid and low, and the Leafs will match.
Would not be surprised if Holmgren went $5.5M 5-years.

Actually, considering that the Leafs don't want to create a contentious situation with the goalies, if Bernier was offer-sheeted at $4M+, it's not an unreasonable contract, but when you've got Reimer making $1.8M and Bernier making $5.5M, the media circus would go bonkers.

Would very quickly create turmoil in the dressing room. Plus it obliterates the long-term plans for the Leafs of re-signing Bernier to a 2- or 3-year lowball and re-signing Reimer as well and both at ~$3-4M so that in 2015 or 2016 they can decide who they keep and who they trade.

They can't have Reimer and Bernier making $5.5M and they can't have Reimer getting underpaid, they'd lose him as a UFA instantly...

It's actually the ploy of an evil genius...

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Don't forget the 4 million tied to Whitneys lame ankle.
I would offer 7.5/8yrs for Pietrangelo or maybe 5.5/8 for McDonagh
Rangers match that.

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Rangers match that.
They'll match anything.. that doesn't mean it will have ill effects elsewhere on the roster going forward.

Offer sheets don't necessarily cease to be effective the moment they are matched (which they are 99% of the time because player >> picks).

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No may the Isles let Hamonic walk unless somebody offers him a ridiculous contract.....
Wang just cut a cheque for DiPietro, you think he's gonna want to fork over more dough without any concerns? Islanders are a cap floor team. They may have cap space but they don't want to spend it.

Winnipeg is less of that ilk, but Bogosian could command enough in an offersheet that Winnipeg might let him walk, as Chevaldayoff is so keen on this whole "future" thing...

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So where do you put Gustafsson on the Leafs? We already have Gunnar, Franson, Gardiner, Blacker on the way up, Percy and Finn as well. If you make a dumb move like that and have to give up pics you go big and go after Piertrangelo or go home.
I don't think Gustafsson makes sense for the Leafs at all. But if someone needs a PMD, an offer even as low as $2M-2.5 screws the Flyers.

For Toronto, Stepan or Johansson make the most sense.

The question being, do they have what would be required to play on our first line?

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He just spent $24 million getting rid of DiPietro. He had spent just as much to buyout Yashin, despite his being productive at that point in time. Isles are are required to spend another $12.5 million just to hit the floor.

Their RFA's are going nowhere. This whole "Wang is so poor he can't afford anything" schtick is stupid & old.
I wasn't saying that he is poor. I was saying that he is cheap. Yes, he just spent 24 mil to get rid of DP. Yet the next time he spends to the cap will be the first time, so I don't see how you can say with any conviction that he would match any offer simply because he has the cap space to do so.

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Teams with a lot of RFA's to sign:

NYI - 6 (Clutterbuck, Bailey, Ullstrom, Hamonic, Hickey, Poulin)
Leafs - 8 (Kadri, Komarov, Colborne, McLaren, Gunnarson, Fraser, Franson, Bernier)
Jets - 8 (Wheeler, Burmistrov, Little, Tangradi, Bogosian, Redman, Postma, Kulda)
Rangers - 5 (Step, Hag, Zuc, McDonagh, Falk)
Kings - 5 (Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Martinez, Muzzin)
Blues - 2 (Stewart and Pietro are bigs one)
Caps - 2 (Alzner, Johannsson - only about $8M in cap space)
Wings - 3 (Smith, Andersson, Nyquist - $10M in cap space)
Flyers - 1 (Gustavsson, negative cap space)

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I don't think Gustafsson makes sense for the Leafs at all. But if someone needs a PMD, an offer even as low as $2M-2.5 screws the Flyers.

For Toronto, Stepan or Johansson make the most sense.

The question being, do they have what would be required to play on our first line?
What the hell happened to Stepan this year? Was it Torts or was it he **** himself?

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Don't forget the 4 million tied to Whitneys lame ankle.
I would offer 7.5/8yrs for Pietrangelo or maybe 5.5/8 for McDonagh
Instantly matched without hesitation. I would be thrilled if you guys did that because when we match, that 5.5 a year will look like a steal for McD in 2 years.

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They'll match anything.. that doesn't mean it will have ill effects elsewhere on the roster going forward.

Offer sheets don't necessarily cease to be effective the moment they are matched (which they are 99% of the time because player >> picks).
Yeah I agree, the decision of keeping Richards might ******* us in the ***. Who can we move with a high caphit? Hank, Cally? Nope...

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Don't forget the 4 million tied to Whitneys lame ankle.
I would offer 7.5/8yrs for Pietrangelo or maybe 5.5/8 for McDonagh
Can't give 8 years to UFAs.

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What the hell happened to Stepan this year? Was it Torts or was it he **** himself?
What do you mean? He produced at almost a PPG and would have hit between 78-80 points over a full season. Stepan would be the leafs #1 center without hesitation. He has made leaps and bounds defensively, was one of our best PKers by seasons end. Despite being matched against other teams top lines on a regular basis, he still managed to have an outstanding year.

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There's a difference between overpaying for someone in an offersheet, and specifically structuring an offer to **** over a small-market team. $50+ mil signing bonus when the team is in financial difficulty is just a ****** thing to do.
No it's not, it's called trying to win. If They can't afford the cash, then maybe the team should move.

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I wasn't saying that he is poor. I was saying that he is cheap. Yes, he just spent 24 mil to get rid of DP. Yet the next time he spends to the cap will be the first time, so I don't see how you can say with any conviction that he would match any offer simply because he has the cap space to do so.
The Isles are still way below the cap floor with $12M+ to spend before they are cap compliant for next season. The Isles HAVE TO SPEND to do that.

Being cheap has NOTHING to do with it.

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Teams with a lot of RFA's to sign:

NYI - 6 (Clutterbuck, Bailey, Ullstrom, Hamonic, Hickey, Poulin)
Leafs - 8 (Kadri, Komarov, Colborne, McLaren, Gunnarson, Fraser, Franson, Bernier)
Jets - 8 (Wheeler, Burmistrov, Little, Tangradi, Bogosian, Redman, Postma, Kulda)
Rangers - 5 (Step, Hag, Zuc, McDonagh, Falk)
Kings - 5 (Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Martinez, Muzzin)
Blues - 2 (Stewart and Pietro are bigs one)
Caps - 2 (Alzner, Johannsson - only about $8M in cap space)
Wings - 3 (Smith, Andersson, Nyquist - $10M in cap space)
Flyers - 1 (Gustavsson, negative cap space)
we have $600k in cap space actually. Even more space when you count the 10%

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Can't give 8 years to UFAs.
I'm curious to know how long it will take before people realize this.

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No it's not, it's called trying to win. If They can't afford the cash, then maybe the team should move.
Agreed 100%

Of course the Hawks aided in the Jets leaving Winnipeg by doing that to Keith Tkachuk so I guess there is precedent

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Wang just cut a cheque for DiPietro, you think he's gonna want to fork over more dough without any concerns? Islanders are a cap floor team. They may have cap space but they don't want to spend it.

Winnipeg is less of that ilk, but Bogosian could command enough in an offersheet that Winnipeg might let him walk, as Chevaldayoff is so keen on this whole "future" thing...
ohh yes I forgot....



The Isles are moving to Brooklyn and will now be making a lot more money....Do your self a favor and don't

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What do you mean? He produced at almost a PPG and would have hit between 78-80 points over a full season. Stepan would be the leafs #1 center without hesitation. He has made leaps and bounds defensively, was one of our best PKers by seasons end. Despite being matched against other teams top lines on a regular basis, he still managed to have an outstanding year.
Ok. I must have someone else etched in my mind. I stand corrected!

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No it's not, it's called trying to win. If They can't afford the cash, then maybe the team should move.
Read the rules of the new CBA. There are limits to contracts in terms and salary dispersion. The days of the elaborately concocted Weber offer sheet are no more. Offer sheets were more viable for big spending teams according the old rules, not now.

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