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07-04-2013, 07:17 PM
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I fail to see how trading one young piece that is not the face of the franchise is gutting it. I think the only trade involving one young player that guts the team is trading someone like Giroux for a LSchenn-type.

Flyers management most likely got frustrated with JVR after seeing his dominant play in 2011 playoffs and that big extension they gave him. As for Ryan, I would never trade any assets to get him. Either sign him as a FA or don't get him at all. If he wasn't a local person and a Flyers fan with ties to the organization, all this talk wouldn't be happening.

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /

GOALTENDERS
Evgeni Nabokov ($2.750m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)

OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
LTIR: Chris Pronger ($0.000m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,412,094; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,687,906

Trade away Meszaros for conditional pick 3rd rounder (if he plays more than 55 games, otherwise a 5th rounder)

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07-04-2013, 09:18 PM
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A lot of people have Laughton on their 3rd or 4th lines. What is the chance that Laughton makes the Flyers out of camp, stays up all year?

Thanks! I think Laughton can be Mike Richards 2.0

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07-04-2013, 09:23 PM
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A lot of people have Laughton on their 3rd or 4th lines. What is the chance that Laughton makes the Flyers out of camp, stays up all year?

Thanks! I think Laughton can be Mike Richards 2.0
Pretty good IMO. Management seems to really like him.

What I don't get is a lot of people seem to think his ceiling is a #3 c. I actually think he could be a very effective player in the NHL. I could see him developing a good all around game and I think his hockey smarts will serve him well in his pro career.

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07-04-2013, 09:55 PM
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Do you really think Luke Schenn would be a flyer if his name was Luke smith?

He was solely brought in cause they are brothers. I think since Luke is signed long term the thinking is that Bryadon will take a sweetheart deal to stay and play with his bro.
I think there's 0% chance he was brought here SOLELY because of Brayden. In fact, I think the majority of the reason he was brought here is because he needed a change of scenery, as did JvR, and the Flyers identified defense as a need with Pronger injured. I'd say:

85% need
15% to spark his brother's play/make him more comfortable.

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07-05-2013, 12:53 AM
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as of right now there could be so many different possibilities
Does a center get traded? assuming no
Does G Remain at center? likely
Who else moves to wing then? likely Schenn and possibly Laughton or Talbot
Do G and Voracek stay together?
Will Hartnell be the Hartnell from last year and the beginning of the prior year or will he be the 1st line Hartnell that played with G and Jagr?
Will Laughton make the team? I would think so considering that he outplayed a majority of the other forwards in his first stint.
Will a darkhorse make the team (as of right now there is one forward opening assuming Laughton makes it, that would give us 12 forwards, so we would need a spare but I assume Hall is the spare [edit: actually I forgot about Rosehill, I guess little chance of any Phantoms making the team])? I wouldn't be surprised to see Akeson make it although that may be after playing a bit with the Phantoms. Maybe McGinn if they're looking for size. If G and Voracek stay together I would like to see Akeson get a chance with them.

As for the D, I don't think our D's are that bad, it's just that there's so much money tied up in them, injury problems and I think it's time to stop playing Kimmo likes he's a number 1 dman. I thought he and Coburn really struggled last year (obviously not offensively for Kimmo though) while Schenn and Grossman seemed to step up when called to be the top guys. Assuming Mez is gone, I'd probably have Gus and Schenn as my top pairing, Grossman and Kimmo/Streit as the 2nd pairing and then Coburn Streit/Kimmo as the third pairing but not with a huge disparity in playing time as Gus still has a lot to learn. I think Grossman is underrated, there were times last year when he looked like a top tier shutdown guy. Schenn has his flaws but he looks like he deserves the most minutes and stepped up big time when he had to play so many minutes due to being the only starter left. Also, I'm confident that one of Bourdon, Lauridson, or Manning will be able to fill in if needed. The big questions here are:
If Coburn is still here, does he play like he did last year or they way he did in previous years?
Can Grossman stay healthy?

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07-05-2013, 05:21 AM
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07-05-2013, 05:34 AM
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Hartnell Giroux Schenn
Simmonds Vinny Voracek
Read Couturier Gagne
Talbot Hall Mcginn/Rinaldo

Streit Schenn
Coburn Kimmo
Gus Grossman

Mason
Emery

PK 1: Read Couturier PK 2: Talbot Hall PK 3: Gagne Giroux (Rarely Used)

PP 1: Streit Giroux Vinny Voracek Simmonds
PP 2: Hartnell Read Schenn Couturier Kimmo/Gus

I think this is a big year for Gus. we need to start grooming him for bigger minutes and a bigger responsibility.

If Gagne does not sign, then i think that opens a spot up for an Akeson or a Cousins. if either of them kills penalties that will improve their chances of making the roster.

goiing forward we need to make the most of our cheap forwards. Scoring depth on the 3rd and 4th line is crucial to being competitive and we need a steady flow of these elc players coming in and contrbuting.

I see Mcginn, Akeson, Cousins, and Noebels as cheap fillers that have offensive upside. Obviously Laughton too but id much rather keep him in the minors.

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Giroux, Lecavalier, Voracek, B.Schenn, Couturier, Read, Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot, Laughton, Rinaldo, Hall, Rosehill as 13th

Timonen, L.Schenn, Streit, Coburn, Gustafsson, Grossmann, Gervais as 7th

Emery, Mason


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07-05-2013, 11:41 AM
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Giroux, Lecavalier, Voracek, B.Schenn, Couturier, Read, Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot, Laughton, Rinaldo, 12th forward, Rosehill as 13th

Timonen, L.Schenn, Streit, Coburn, Gustafsson, Grossmann, Gervais as 7th

Emery, Mason
Adam Hall?

With the exception of moving Mez. I guess we're done this off-season. Can we even bring Gagne back? That would probably mean Laughton starts in the AHL. Not a bad idea and bring him up when the inevitable injury strikes.

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07-05-2013, 11:43 AM
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Adam Hall?

With the exception of moving Mez. I guess we're done this off-season. Can we even bring Gagne back? That would probably mean Laughton starts in the AHL. Not a bad idea and bring him up when the inevitable injury strikes.
Laughton goes to the OHL, not the AHL. He also keeps all three years of his ELC if that happens which is awesome for the Flyers.

That said, if we want Laughton to play for the Flyers in the future, he's gotta get used to the wing now, just like Schenn. Might as well let him play on Couturier's wing. He'll be arguably as solid as Gagne, much cheaper, and he's more physical.

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Laughton can't play in the AHL. He's only 19.

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.250m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($1.650m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,791,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,308,978


This includes trading Meszaros for no salary back, and Pronger is still on the active list.

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What is the point of dumping Meszaros?

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What is the point of dumping Meszaros?
There is no point.

We're under the summer cap.
We officially have 3.91m in cap space going into the regular season (Gustafsson still needs to sign, but he won't eat too much of that.)
We've filled out our roster completely.

We don't need anything.

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Adam Hall?

With the exception of moving Mez. I guess we're done this off-season. Can we even bring Gagne back? That would probably mean Laughton starts in the AHL. Not a bad idea and bring him up when the inevitable injury strikes.
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IIRC, we have to be under the cap when the season starts. That means including Pronger's hit, we have to be in the green. Then once the season starts, Pronger goes on LTIR and we start to collect LTIR credits that will give us space when we need it.

So yes, we need to move salary. We could keep Meszaros easily, but if our only move is resigning Gustafsson for a max $1mil caphit, we still have to move $2mil in order to get under. Pronger and Bourdon are currently eating up $5.55mil in space that will go on LTIR and would then give us $5.55mil in burn a hole in Homer's pocket all year. Gives us trade deadline space, which is nice.

We have 8 healthy 'NHL' defenders where only 2 of them make less than $3.5mil. Something's gotta give, eventually, cap space issues or not.

EDIT: As said, Laughton is either OHL bound or will make the team. I wouldn't mind if he was able to participate in the World Juniors, coming from a hopeful Canadian. Would give Laughton some spotlight and a little more hype, I guess. We can then always bring Laughton up come playoff time and/or on emergency recall...

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IIRC, we have to be under the cap when the season starts. That means including Pronger's hit, we have to be in the green. Then once the season starts, Pronger goes on LTIR and we start to collect LTIR credits that will give us space when we need it.

So yes, we need to move salary. We could keep Meszaros easily, but if our only move is resigning Gustafsson for a max $1mil caphit, we still have to move $2mil in order to get under. Pronger and Bourdon are currently eating up $5.55mil in space that will go on LTIR and would then give us $5.55mil in burn a hole in Homer's pocket all year. Gives us trade deadline space, which is nice.

We have 8 healthy 'NHL' defenders where only 2 of them make less than $3.5mil. Something's gotta give, eventually, cap space issues or not.
We do not have cap issues.

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Gus should be ahead of Mezaros, and there's no reason to keep a 7th defensemen who gets $4m cap/$5.5m salary.

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Gus should be ahead of Mezaros, and there's no reason to keep a 7th defensemen who gets $4m cap/$5.5m salary.
This. Cap flexibility is a beautiful thing and if Holmgren can get a reasonable return, particularly because he is not in an absolute salary-dump situation, he should go for it.

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We do not have cap issues.
When did I say that? I'm saying it's inefficient to have that much money tied up in defenders. I agree there aren't issues like the mainstream media claims especially when it comes to locking up our RFAs.

The fact is that they have to be under once the season starts and that includes Pronger+Bourdon's $5.55mil. They're allowed to go 10% over throughout the season, but they can't be over when entering the season in September/October. They can't be $2mil over when entering the season and it just goes to LTIR and all is well...

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I love it, absolutely a contender. Make it happen!!!!!

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I'm excited that Couts will finally be playing with some solid wingers, get his offensive game rolling, and if Lavy plays him ont he 4th line again for most of the season, holy **** I'll be pissed.

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