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Robert Hagg made his AHL debut March 29 [AAV is $925k, 3-yr ELC, per Tim P.]

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07-03-2013, 09:41 PM
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Just one more recent HOFer would be nice, since they haven't drafted one that they didn't trade away, since 1972 (Bill Barber).

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07-04-2013, 06:22 AM
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Some clips of Hagg, i posted them a couple of month ago in our board!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxVGQ5G_rwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci9XythxqdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3xEA2c6aiM

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Thanks for that. This kid is very smooth with the puck. Really reminds me of Pitkanen in his ability to keep his head up and make passes (and that's a good thing).

Great pick up, esp. at Hockey News #12!

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Hagg reminds me of a more physical Kimo

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Is the post factual or not? Who have they drafted since 1972 who is a Hall of Famer, besides Peter Forsberg whom they traded away?

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07-05-2013, 06:32 PM
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This could wind up being a steal as a 2nd round pick , I'm 50/50 on Morin though , Laughed when I heard this was the first time the Flyers drafted 2 defensemen with their first 2 picks since the 70's.

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I watched the Sweden USA world juniors game on NHl network the otherday, and first thing first seth jones could step into the nhl right now and be a number 1 dman on a about 15 teams. He was a man amongst boys that tournament and especially that game.

Hagg from my opinion is very comfortable with the puck on his stick, almost daring the opponent to take it from him. His elusiveness is not so much from a superior athletic ability but more from quiet confidence about him and his ability to see the ice while handling the puck. His head is always up when handling the puck and i feel that skill really separates offensive dmen from defensive dmen.

he really does remind me of a new age kimmo in that sense. IN terms of his defensive play i have no comment, only because it was hard for me to evaluate it honestly.

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07-05-2013, 06:50 PM
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Is the post factual or not? Who have they drafted since 1972 who is a Hall of Famer, besides Peter Forsberg whom they traded away?
Lindros should be coming up soon. I know we didn't draft him but if Forsberg don't count for us than Lindros should.

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Is the post factual or not? Who have they drafted since 1972 who is a Hall of Famer, besides Peter Forsberg whom they traded away?
Thought we were discussing d-men, since you know, you quoted a post about d-men.

I misunderstood the point then, my fault.

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we need detriots draft expertice lol get a datsyuk in the 7th round like they do...never gonna happen but would be nice

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we need detriots draft expertice lol get a datsyuk in the 7th round like they do...never gonna happen but would be nice
If the stats were compared on 'hits' in the draft in the last 20 years I am sure the Flyers and Detroit would both be among the best in the NHL...

I believe that we are better % wise in the first two rounds, them with later round picks.

However, much of their success came through them being one of the only teams who had expansive european scouting in the 90's.

Since 2000 they have drafted what, one all star calibre player, (Jimmy Howard)
and 12 players with 200 games played, and 26 who made the NHL.

We have drafted, what, 5 all stars? (Williams, Sharp, Richards, Carter, Giroux) and 14 players with 200 games played, and 38 who made the NHL.

I would rather have our scouting network and draft picks than theirs these days.

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Detroit has been really overrating their prospect pool for a long long time.

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Detroit has been really overrating their prospect pool for a long long time.
They've been living off those late round gems from more than a decade ago in Datsyuk & Zetterberg.

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Detroit has been really overrating their prospect pool for a long long time.
Since 2000 they have still been a decent drafting team... mainly in the 2nd-4th, but the players they draft who are 'hits' are 3rd liners or 4-5-6 d men.

Yeh, everyone goes on like Detroit are some drafting geniuses, when they are frankly average in the last 10 years.

I feel a stats based table coming on...

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Since 2000 they have still been a decent drafting team... mainly in the 2nd-4th, but the players they draft who are 'hits' are 3rd liners or 4-5-6 d men.

Yeh, everyone goes on like Detroit are some drafting geniuses, when they are frankly average in the last 10 years.

I feel a stats based table coming on...
That would be great!

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Robert Hägg scored and was Modos best D in his first pre-season game with Modo against Porin Ässät, that won the SM-liiga last year. The goal was a booming slapshot from the blue line, ofcourse.

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Robert Hägg scored and was Modos best D in his first pre-season game with Modo against Porin Ässät, that won the SM-liiga last year. The goal was a booming slapshot from the blue line, ofcourse.

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08-20-2013, 03:16 PM
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Detroit's drafting since 2000 is overrated IMO. The jury is still out on recent guys like Tatar, Smith, Nyquist, etc. but other guys haven't really wowed me. Take for example the Flyers have drafted some absolute studs like Giroux, Richards, Carter, etc.

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Robert Hägg scored and was Modos best D in his first pre-season game with Modo against Porin Ässät, that won the SM-liiga last year. The goal was a booming slapshot from the blue line, ofcourse.
Thanks for the update. Any time you feel like updating us on a game Hagg played, it would be appreciated.

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Detroit's drafting since 2000 is overrated IMO. The jury is still out on recent guys like Tatar, Smith, Nyquist, etc. but other guys haven't really wowed me. Take for example the Flyers have drafted some absolute studs like Giroux, Richards, Carter, etc.
These are the draft breakdowns in GP from 1998 to present...

DETROIT RED WINGS
01. Pavel Datsyuk - 779 GP (6th - 1998)
02. Henrik Zetterberg - 714 GP (7th - 1999)
03. Niklas Kronwall - 545 GP (1st - 2000)
04. Johan Franzen - 513 GP (3rd - 2004)
05. Valtteri Filppula - 483 GP (3rd - 2002)
06. Tomas Kopecky - 465 GP (2nd - 2000)
07. Jiri Hudler - 451 GP (2nd - 2002)
08. Tomas Fleischmann - 435 GP (2nd - 2002)
09. Jiri Fischer - 304 GP (1st - 1998)
10. Kyle Quincey - 293 GP (4th - 2004)
11. Jonathan Ericsson - 277 GP (9th - 2002)
12. Justin Abdelkader - 257 GP (2nd - 2005)
13. Shawn Matthias - 253 GP (2nd - 2006)
14. Darren Helm - 249 GP (5th - 2005)
15. Jimmy Howard - 234 GP (2nd - 2003)
TOTAL: 6,252 GP
AVERAGE ROUND DRAFTED: 3.40

PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
01. Simon Gagne - 799 GP (1st - 1998)
02. Justin Williams - 755 GP (1st - 2000)
03. Patrick Sharp - 595 GP (3rd - 2001)
04. Dennis Seidenberg - 581 GP (6th - 2001)
05. Mike Richards - 575 GP (1st - 2003)
06. Jeff Carter - 564 GP (1st - 2003)
07. Joni Pitkanen - 535 GP (1st - 2002)
08. Claude Giroux - 334 GP (1st - 2006)
09. Colin Fraser - 325 GP (3rd - 2003)
10. Jeff Woywitka - 278 GP (1st - 2001)
11. Steve Downie - 274 GP (1st - 2005)
12. Alexandre Picard - 253 GP (3rd - 2003)
13. James van Riemsdyk - 244 GP (1st - 2007)
14. Luca Sbisa - 236 GP (1st - 2008)
15. Antero Niittymaki - 234 GP (6th - 1998)
TOTAL: 6,582 GP
AVERAGE ROUND DRAFTED: 2.07


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When I see guys up like Picard up there it kind taints the GP argument for me. I think GP should be used for these type of things but not as the lone measurement.

The thing with Detroit & their prospects is that they're super conservative with the development window so their prospects hold their value in the eyes of other fans because they're tearing up Juniors/Minors & not cutting their teeth at the NHL level like a lot of other guys from their draft classes.

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DETROIT RED WINGS
01. Pavel Datsyuk - 779 GP (6th - 1998)
02. Henrik Zetterberg - 714 GP (7th - 1999)
03. Niklas Kronwall - 545 GP (1st - 2000)
04. Johan Franzen - 513 GP (3rd - 2004)
05. Valtteri Filppula - 483 GP (3rd - 2002)
06. Tomas Kopecky - 465 GP (2nd - 2000)
07. Jiri Hudler - 451 GP (2nd - 2002)
08. Tomas Fleischmann - 435 GP (2nd - 2002)
09. Jiri Fischer - 304 GP (1st - 1998)
10. Kyle Quincey - 293 GP (4th - 2004)
11. Jonathan Ericsson - 277 GP (9th - 2002)
12. Justin Abdelkader - 257 GP (2nd - 2005)
13. Shawn Matthias - 253 GP (2nd - 2006)
14. Darren Helm - 249 GP (5th - 2005)
15. Jimmy Howard - 234 GP (2nd - 2003)
TOTAL: 6,252 GP

PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
01. Simon Gagne - 799 GP (1st - 1998)
02. Justin Williams - 755 GP (1st - 2000)
03. Patrick Sharp - 595 GP (3rd - 2001)
04. Dennis Seidenberg - 581 GP (6th - 2001)
05. Mike Richards - 575 GP (1st - 2003)
06. Jeff Carter - 564 GP (1st - 2003)
07. Joni Pitkanen - 535 GP (1st - 2002)
08. Claude Giroux - 334 GP (1st - 2006)
09. Colin Fraser - 325 GP (3rd - 2003)
10. Jeff Woywitka - 278 GP (1st - 2001)
11. Steve Downie - 274 GP (1st - 2005)
12. Alexandre Picard - 253 GP (3rd - 2003)
13. James van Riemsdyk - 244 GP (1st - 2007)
14. Luca Sbisa - 236 GP (1st - 2008)
15. Antero Niittymaki - 234 GP (6th - 1998)
TOTAL: 6,582 GP
That's all well and good, but for the Red Wings guys, 5,014 games were played for the Red Wings, or 80.2%. For the Flyers, the number is 3,564 or 54.1%. A huge part of drafting and grooming talent is being able to identify it as a young talent that needs time, and having the patience to give them the time and blossom as great players for your team. A number of guys on that list for the Flyers are very good players playing for other teams that didn't offer much to the Flyers, specifically Sharp, Seidenberg, Williams, and Downie. Fleischmann is really the only one you could say that for on the Detroit list.

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That's all well and good, but for the Red Wings guys, 5,014 games were played for the Red Wings, or 80.2%. For the Flyers, the number is 3,564 or 54.1%. A huge part of drafting and grooming talent is being able to identify it as a young talent that needs time, and having the patience to give them the time and blossom as great players for your team. A number of guys on that list for the Flyers are very good players playing for other teams that didn't offer much to the Flyers, specifically Sharp, Seidenberg, Williams, and Downie. Fleischmann is really the only one you could say that for on the Detroit list.
While I agree with just about everything you said, I think Kopecky and Matthias are two players that we could mention in the same light as Sharp, Williams, Seidenberg, and Downie.

Jesus, ****... I just now realized the number of Cups and awards our management has gift-wrapped other organizations by showing a total lack of patience with our kids.

Sharp - 2 Cups
Seidenberg - 1 Cup
Williams - 1 Cup
Gagne - 1 Cup
Richards - 1 Cup
Carter - 1 Cup
BOBROVSKY - 1 Vezina

Oy...

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That's all well and good, but for the Red Wings guys, 5,014 games were played for the Red Wings, or 80.2%. For the Flyers, the number is 3,564 or 54.1%. A huge part of drafting and grooming talent is being able to identify it as a young talent that needs time, and having the patience to give them the time and blossom as great players for your team. A number of guys on that list for the Flyers are very good players playing for other teams that didn't offer much to the Flyers, specifically Sharp, Seidenberg, Williams, and Downie. Fleischmann is really the only one you could say that for on the Detroit list.
You're absolutely right, but I was more speaking toward Philadelphia having a knack for drafting talent. I agree development is a huge problem, but they sure have the eye to draft great players.

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