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07-05-2013, 04:51 PM
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Pretty much the same as everybody else.
Exactly this. As much as I like a healthy Mez, there just isn't enough healthy time to keep him around. Id round the roster out with Rosehill, the Dane and Gervais.

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07-05-2013, 06:10 PM
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Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Lecavalier - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Laughton - Talbot

Timonen - Schenn
Streit - Coburn
Grossman - Gustaffson

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07-05-2013, 06:46 PM
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07-05-2013, 07:05 PM
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Homer says Mez is saying so Gus might be the 7th dman.

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Homer says Mez is saying so Gus might be the 7th dman.
Homer says a lot of things.

How the **** can we keep Mez and Coburn, their pay is ridic lol

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07-05-2013, 07:23 PM
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Homer says a lot of things.

How the **** can we keep Mez and Coburn, their pay is ridic lol
Unless I am horribly wrong, as long as Gagne makes 1.8 million or less, Flyers are under the cap with Pronger on LTIR.

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07-05-2013, 07:25 PM
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Homer says Mez is saying so Gus might be the 7th dman.
I heard that too. But he's also not gonna come out and say well we're moving Mez cause he can't stay healthy either. Regardless if Gus doesn't get a change to play everyday after the way he finished last season and played in the world championship tournament I'm gonna be pretty upset. Keeping Mez would also require that Pronger be put on LTIR from the beginning of the season cause the team will be over the cap by about .5 mil (even after dumping MAB and Gervais in ADK).

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07-05-2013, 07:29 PM
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Unless I am horribly wrong, as long as Gagne makes 1.8 million or less, Flyers are under the cap with Pronger on LTIR.
With Pronger on LTIR, Gus making 1 mil as the 7th D-man, Laughton back in the OHL, MAB and Gervais in ADK and Rosehill as the 13th forward (21 man roster) the Flyers would have upwards of 5 mil in cap space to sign whom ever.

What I don't get is Holmgren said he expects Mez, Coburn and Grossmann to play well for the Flyers next yr then admits that cap will be tight so he's not sure if he can sign Gagne. The way I see it if all three of those d-men are on the roster and there are no other trades Pronger will have to go to LTIR regardless of if Gagne is signed or if the team keeps Laugton with the big club. If Prong is put on LTIR the Flyers have plenty of cap space.

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07-05-2013, 07:34 PM
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Pretty much the same as everybody else.
The more I look at it, the more this makes the most sense, if Gagne is signed. If they can't get it done, then you slot in Laughton or McGinn in 3rd/4th line roles.

What I'm most excited about is the PP units. I would love to see:
1st Unit: Lecavalier - Giroux - Hartnell
Timonen - Read

2nd Unit : Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Streit - Couturier

Admittedly a bit nervous about two forwards at the point on each unit (especially the 2nd one). But thoughts?

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07-05-2013, 07:37 PM
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The more I look at it, the more this makes the most sense, if Gagne is signed. If they can't get it done, then you slot in Laughton or McGinn in 3rd/4th line roles.

What I'm most excited about is the PP units. I would love to see:
1st Unit: Lecavalier - Giroux - Hartnell
Timonen - Read

2nd Unit : Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Streit - Couturier

Admittedly a bit nervous about two forwards at the point on each unit (especially the 2nd one). But thoughts?
Couts sucked on the point last season. Voracek played plenty of it on 1st pp so my second unit would probably be:

Schenn-* - Couturier - Simmonds
Streit - Voracek

Since Schenn will most definitely be playing wing anyway I think this makes sense.

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Why are we changing the first PP unit when it was one of the best in the league? We should stick with it while it is working and if it starts to fail, then we change it up.

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Why are we changing the first PP unit when it was one of the best in the league? We should stick with it while it is working and if it starts to fail, then we change it up.
I heard one of the sticking points in signing Vinny was him getting a first or second line center job and having first unit pp time.

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I heard one of the sticking points in signing Vinny was him getting a first or second line center job and having first unit pp time.
Well if that has to be done then you replace Hartnell or Simmonds with him. Why move Voracek from the first unit as well

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07-05-2013, 08:49 PM
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Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
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Gagne- Couts- Read
Rinaldo- Talbot- Hall/Rosehill

Timonen- Streit
Grossman-Coburn
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Meszaros will be the odd man out to shed salary

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Meszaros will be the odd man out to shed salary
Why is Lauridsen in your lineup?

There's zero chance he's with the Flyers come opening day.

In fact, since Bourdon is healthy apparently, Lauridsen's been bumped down even further on the organizational depth chart.

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Well if that has to be done then you replace Hartnell or Simmonds with him. Why move Voracek from the first unit as well

Lecavalier-Giroux-Simmonds
Timonen-Voracek

Hartnell-Couts/Schenn-Couts/Schenn
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Hartnell and Simmonds are integral pieces of PP1. Hartnell is the triggerman, and Simmonds cleans up the trash (possibly better than anyone else in the league in this role). You don't take one of them off this unit and expect the unit to be as successful.

Voracek is on the only interchangeable part of that unit. Jagr played it effectively in his time here, and I'm sure anyone could play it with decent success. If you're going to break the unit up, you move Voracek to PP2 to get them going. Let Lecavalier take Jake's spot. He was effective in that same spot on the TB power play. That would let Voracek and Streit give PP2 a massive shot in the arm.

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07-05-2013, 09:02 PM
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IIRC, we have to be under the cap when the season starts. That means including Pronger's hit, we have to be in the green. Then once the season starts, Pronger goes on LTIR and we start to collect LTIR credits that will give us space when we need it.

So yes, we need to move salary. We could keep Meszaros easily, but if our only move is resigning Gustafsson for a max $1mil caphit, we still have to move $2mil in order to get under. Pronger and Bourdon are currently eating up $5.55mil in space that will go on LTIR and would then give us $5.55mil in burn a hole in Homer's pocket all year. Gives us trade deadline space, which is nice.

We have 8 healthy 'NHL' defenders where only 2 of them make less than $3.5mil. Something's gotta give, eventually, cap space issues or not.

EDIT: As said, Laughton is either OHL bound or will make the team. I wouldn't mind if he was able to participate in the World Juniors, coming from a hopeful Canadian. Would give Laughton some spotlight and a little more hype, I guess. We can then always bring Laughton up come playoff time and/or on emergency recall...
B. Schenn will start the season in the AHL to make sure he doesn't hit the bonus until Pronger can be moved to LTIR at 5pm on day 1.

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B. Schenn will start the season in the AHL to make sure he doesn't hit the bonus until Pronger can be moved to LTIR at 5pm on day 1.
I don't think that applies this year

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I don't think that applies this year
He is still on the ELC with $2.35M of potential bonuses this year.

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Pretty much this except I would switch Coburn & Schenn.

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B. Schenn will start the season in the AHL to make sure he doesn't hit the bonus until Pronger can be moved to LTIR at 5pm on day 1.
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I don't think that applies this year
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He is still on the ELC with $2.35M of potential bonuses this year.
It doesn't matter. Brayden Schenn is not starting the season in Adirondack for any reason.

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Why are we changing the first PP unit when it was one of the best in the league? We should stick with it while it is working and if it starts to fail, then we change it up.
They are going to have to make some changes. They have to play Streit on the first unit instead of Timonen.

Streit is not a penalty killer and Kimmo is. If they got Streit to take some puckmoving pressure off Kimmo, which they did, then PP time is where it starts.

PK pairings:

Grossmann-Coburn
Kimmo-Schenn

PP:
Streit-Voracek
Kimmo-Meszaros/Gus

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Pretty much this except I would switch Coburn & Schenn.
Lavy has to experiment 5 on 5 to find chemistry.

Coburn played his best with Timonen as his partner.

If Streit and Schenn play together, that might be the best combo.

Or if Coburn and Streit are good together, Kimmo and Luke can stay together.

Let's see some mixing and matching early to see who meshes....

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If we don't re-sign Gagne I would like to see if Cleary would come here. He knows how to play just about every forward role and has winning experience.

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