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07-05-2013, 07:52 PM
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So do which one do you see in the top 6 Kennedy or wingels. I see no other option if we plan on having 3 decent scoring lines
Kennedy. He has an edge on Wingels in scoring. Wingels is a better F1 than Kennedy.

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07-05-2013, 07:59 PM
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Kennedy. He has an edge on Wingels in scoring. Wingels is a better F1 than Kennedy.
So we got pavs wingels Torres as third line. Marleau couture and burns Thornton . Hertl and Kennedy will occupy the other 2 slots in top 6

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So we got pavs wingels Torres as third line. Marleau couture and burns Thornton . Hertl and Kennedy will occupy the other 2 slots in top 6
Most likely yes.

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So we got pavs wingels Torres as third line. Marleau couture and burns Thornton . Hertl and Kennedy will occupy the other 2 slots in top 6
Yeah.

I think he will go pairs where he doesn't move them apart much.

JT/Burns
Marleau/Couture
Torres/Pavs

He will probably do shifting around those base pairs for the most part unless the Sharks have extreme difficulty. He might move Pavs into top 6 if the Sharks are down a goal in the third. I made my guesses based on fits for the other members of each line. IMO, the RW on the Pavs line is not going to score much.

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Kennedy. He has an edge on Wingels in scoring. Wingels is a better F1 than Kennedy.
If Wingels is indeed better than Kennedy as an F1, that line is going to have problems one way or the other because neither are as good as Galiardi and that line clicked in part because of his effective fore-checking. It's going to make it that much harder for Thornton to pick off those pucks if Wingels or Kennedy or Torres whoever it may be is not winning those battles and races.

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If Wingels is indeed better than Kennedy as an F1, that line is going to have problems one way or the other because neither are as good as Galiardi and that line clicked in part because of his effective fore-checking. It's going to make it that much harder for Thornton to pick off those pucks if Wingels or Kennedy or Torres whoever it may be is not winning those battles and races.
you dont have to win a race to be an effective F1. torres and wingels will likely focus on separating body from puck and letting thornton get it on his own, since hes not really slow persay.

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07-05-2013, 08:28 PM
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If Wingels is indeed better than Kennedy as an F1, that line is going to have problems one way or the other because neither are as good as Galiardi and that line clicked in part because of his effective fore-checking. It's going to make it that much harder for Thornton to pick off those pucks if Wingels or Kennedy or Torres whoever it may be is not winning those battles and races.
Galiardi wasn't winning races to pucks and he wasn't tipping it well when he did win. Burns was winning races. Galiardi looked more like an F2 albeit not a good one.

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Galiardi wasn't winning races to pucks and he wasn't tipping it well when he did win. Burns was winning races. Galiardi looked more like an F2 albeit not a good one.
Okay I thought I was the only one who thought this. Galiardi never seemed overly speedy to me, but he was billed as such by the press, management and subsequently a lot of folks here.

He actually seemed like a pretty poor skater in general. Probably affects is ability to make plays as he was always falling over himself.

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Galiardi wasn't winning races to pucks and he wasn't tipping it well when he did win. Burns was winning races. Galiardi looked more like an F2 albeit not a good one.
i do remember burns being first in quite often, and if true i think it definitely sheds more light on the trade.

i honestly cant recall enough to comment. just dont think his forechecking was that great.

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you dont have to win a race to be an effective F1. torres and wingels will likely focus on separating body from puck and letting thornton get it on his own, since hes not really slow persay.
You don't have to win races all the time to be effective but if you're losing a vast majority of races and 50-50 pucks, you're not an effective F1. Wingels has not shown to be a good F1 in my opinion. If their strategy as F1's is to separate the man from the puck rather than get in after the puck, they're playing from behind imo.

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Galiardi wasn't winning races to pucks and he wasn't tipping it well when he did win. Burns was winning races. Galiardi looked more like an F2 albeit not a good one.
Burns was not really playing like anything that we define as F1, 2, or 3 because he was just everywhere all the time. Galiardi wasn't winning a lot of races but he was winning more than the other depth guys. His puck play is poor which was the drawback but with Burns crashing hard as well at times or Thornton supporting, that was covered up to a large extent. Relying on Burns to be an F1 is probably not a good idea because even though he wins races, he's all over the place to where there is an obvious lack of focus on a role and a lot of it was his speed creating some luck for himself rather than anticipating or being where he is supposed to be. Burns as an F3 lets him utilize his talents the best for what he's being complimented by.

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Are we the only board that discusses F1/2/3's? I've never seen it outside of here.

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What's a F1/F2/F3?

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What's a F1/F2/F3?
It basically means who the best forward on each line is.

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You don't have to win races all the time to be effective but if you're losing a vast majority of races and 50-50 pucks, you're not an effective F1. Wingels has not shown to be a good F1 in my opinion. If their strategy as F1's is to separate the man from the puck rather than get in after the puck, they're playing from behind imo.



Burns was not really playing like anything that we define as F1, 2, or 3 because he was just everywhere all the time. Galiardi wasn't winning a lot of races but he was winning more than the other depth guys. His puck play is poor which was the drawback but with Burns crashing hard as well at times or Thornton supporting, that was covered up to a large extent. Relying on Burns to be an F1 is probably not a good idea because even though he wins races, he's all over the place to where there is an obvious lack of focus on a role and a lot of it was his speed creating some luck for himself rather than anticipating or being where he is supposed to be. Burns as an F3 lets him utilize his talents the best for what he's being complimented by.
Burns seems like the perfect f1 to me ....and he showed it this past season at times. Let him wreak havoc.

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Burns seems like the perfect f1 to me ....and he showed it this past season at times. Let him wreak havoc.
He is a good F1 but it's going to put him out of scoring position and then you'll have people complaining about his production due to it.

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Are we the only board that discusses F1/2/3's? I've never seen it outside of here.
It's gone from something Easy started mentioning to a religion in a matter of months. Does make enough sense though.

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Are we the only board that discusses F1/2/3's? I've never seen it outside of here.
I've tried looking at other boards' opinions of what their potential line combos might be, and it's quite tough in general, so never mind F1 F2 F3s...

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It's gone from something Easy started mentioning to a religion in a matter of months. Does make enough sense though.
Yea Easy has too much influence around here. I cringe every time I see someone say "by eye test." Sounds so snobby (not coming from Easy but from the board's "gurus").

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Yea Easy has too much influence around here. I cringe every time I see someone say "by eye test." Sounds so snobby (not coming from Easy but from the board's "gurus").
And I cringe every time posters point to stats (both corsi and advanced) as the end-all-be-all of player effectiveness.

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Yea Easy has too much influence around here. I cringe every time I see someone say "by eye test." Sounds so snobby (not coming from Easy but from the board's "gurus").
LOL!! No ****...

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I do think having people like Easy and Jux, who use statistics and such to go deeper into the game helps the entire fanbase become more intelligent and informed.

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And I cringe every time posters point to stats (both corsi and advanced) as the end-all-be-all of player effectiveness.
And another great post... could rationality take root here? Hmm...

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Yea Easy has too much influence around here. I cringe every time I see someone say "by eye test." Sounds so snobby (not coming from Easy but from the board's "gurus").
He's convincing because he's never trying to convince you of anything. Just waves the hand and tells you those aren't the stats you are looking for. Impressive.

My only problem with the concept is that it's all a bit presumptuous. The reality is if your best players can't do most of these things, they won't be successful. And if it spreads the lineup too thin, you get four lines that can't score.

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I do think having people like Easy and Jux, who use statistics and such to go deeper into the game helps the entire fanbase become more intelligent and informed.
Yes it's good to have that although jux references real numbers while sometimes Easy references data apparently he's only ever seen. Still there is an obvious limit though...

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Les was using stats too, no?

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