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07-05-2013, 05:45 PM
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Average to below average. I thought he made deft signings upon arriving and up until the Cup run, but since then... I think these next couple of years will be important.

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07-05-2013, 06:13 PM
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Gillis is an average GM and I believe he's a middle of the pack GM. He had a fantastic start but kinda dropped off when his gambles failed. I feel he should get some props for taking risks, I mean I hate it when GMs don't make any moves at all to improve his teams. At least he tries.

If I had to rate his skills it'd be like this.
The free agent signings have been pretty good so I'd give him a B grade.
His trading has been mostly terrible and sub par with a few exceptions so roughly C-.
The drafting I feel is really too early to say I mean it should be around this season (5 years) that i feel his prospects should be about NHL ready which a few are. It is kinda tough to draft from 20+ pick almost every year. Overall, he's done alright. C+

Overall grade from me is C+. Not great but not terrible generally average.

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07-05-2013, 06:30 PM
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You could replace his name with any other gm and get the amount of stupid people have written here.

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07-05-2013, 06:42 PM
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I'm willing to bet Leaf fans wish they could say the same about Nonis after today...cripes.
You get a chance to lock up third liners like Bozak and Clarkson on long term, cap friendly deals then you jump at it!



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07-05-2013, 08:13 PM
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He was doing a good job...

The thing that bothered me the most about that Hodgson trade was how Gillis insisted Kassian was going to help the team immediately.

I have no faith in his ability to assess talent anymore.

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07-05-2013, 08:22 PM
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Personally I think he was arrogant at the way he dealt with Luongo and all the trade talk around him. Up until Cory Schneider was traded we heard Gillis say he would be making a "Hockey trade" that involved Luongo and he wouldn't be forced to give him away for nothing. I even remember Gillis saying a trade was close and there was talk of teams not originally interested. At the 2013 trade deadline despite Luongo saying "My contract sucks" Gillis comes out and says that's wasn't why he was traded, which we know was why it never happened. Finally after the 2012 trade deadline it was reported that Brian Burke had offered Luke Schenn for Cody Hodgson and Gillis said he was not available, then all of the sudden he trades him to Boston. I took that as Gillis lying right to Burke and he should have been honest that he didn't want to trade him to the Leafs, instead of saying he would not be available at all.

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07-05-2013, 08:32 PM
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The Canucks basically got ****ed by the new CBA in every way (Luongo, Year-over-year cap drop). Should Gillis have seen that coming? Maybe, but I don't think its fair to peg that on him completely.

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07-05-2013, 11:33 PM
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i forgave the hodgeson fiasco but the schneids/luongo thing is a joke. he kept saying schneids was the future then bails on him. seeing how luongo was jerked around I hope he asks for a trade. its pretty pathetic of a GM to do this.

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07-05-2013, 11:37 PM
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yes he's a good GM

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07-05-2013, 11:40 PM
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Salary dump by Florida. People who watched Florida saw what Booth was - injury prone with tunnel vision player being paid 4 million a year.
Yup. I remember Panthers fans at the time saying Booth will try hard but will skae as fast as he can with his head down. Defense isn't that great and he can't pass the puck. He has come as advertised.

Gillis did great until the Nucks lost to the Bruins. Since then he has sucked except for Garrison.

Lets Erhoff go. During Erhoff's tenure the Nucks had one of the league's best PP and the Sedins had their best years. Keeps Ballard even though AV was not playing him and his poor performance. Mishandled the goalie situation. Should have got rid of Luongo as soon as possible. Waits and then has to give up the team's MVP only to get a 9th overall pick in return.

Signed Marco Sturm for 2.5 million.

He has also given out a ton of NTC which makes it hard to trade players.

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07-05-2013, 11:41 PM
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only in Vancouver he's considered a good GM

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07-05-2013, 11:57 PM
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only in Vancouver he's considered a good GM
Only leafs fans trying to justify Nonis say this.

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07-06-2013, 12:06 AM
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Only leafs fans trying to justify Nonis say this.
Clarkson and Bozak make as much as Kesler and Burrows

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07-06-2013, 12:07 AM
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only in Vancouver he's considered a good GM
ya dude, you are SOOO right.


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07-06-2013, 12:08 AM
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I still think he can be a good GM but his last two years have not been good at all. Don't have the time to go through it all but it's been a rough go since the Finals loss.

He does come across as rather pompous, and tends to take a rather defensive and contentious stance when anyone questions one of his moves. I can certainly see why non-Canuck fans wouldn't like him. It seems like he thinks everyone is an idiot, which I appreciate.

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07-06-2013, 12:10 AM
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Only leafs fans trying to justify Nonis say this.
I'm pretty sure he is a Rangers fan. Could be wrong though.

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07-06-2013, 12:58 AM
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only in Vancouver he's considered a good GM
Just change your avatar and maybe we will read your posts

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07-06-2013, 01:03 AM
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Gillis has made a few bad trades in the past, but otherwise he's been okay.

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07-06-2013, 11:32 AM
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I would give him a 5/10

It's easy to look back now and use hindsight, but he has been pretty bad. Like another poster said, He got there at the perfect time. That core was progressing along and have hit their prime with him there. He was handed a good core.

- Shouldn't have let Mitchell walk

- Shouldn't have let Erhoff walk

- Bernier was a bad move

- Hodgson debacle (Kassian doesn't look good)

- Goalie debacle
- Ballard trade worked out horribly

- Sturm signing

- Making Luongo captain

- Terrible Derek Roy trade. Brings in a smurf who does nothing for a player and 2nd rounder

- Letting go Torres

- Kept AV too long IMO

- Manny Malhotra optics didn't look good. Didn't they just force him to retire (Which he should have if his eye is bad)\

- Overall he did fill out the team for the cup run, but didn't keep all of the pieces like a Torres. Keeps changing up his philosophy.

The Good

- Garrison & Hamhuis (They wanted to go to Vancouver though)

- Signing guys to good deals (This is not all done by the GM solely)

- Erhoff (Good on him for calling, but that was a SJ cap dump)

- Off ice stuff I guess, but how do you measure that? Sleep stuff, etc.


This guy has just made wayyyyy too many bad moves with what he inherited.

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07-06-2013, 12:45 PM
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Good at re-signing his players to reasonable deals. Poor at drafting, bad at trades and is sometimes too indecisive (not firing AV, not dealing with his goalie issue). I'd say he's a pretty bad GM
This.

For a guy who was brought in to be bold and decisive, he's looking more and more like a Nonis clone every day.

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07-06-2013, 12:48 PM
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No, he's a terrible GM.

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07-06-2013, 01:18 PM
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Yep. The same team where the Sedins donate millions, literally millions, to children's hospitals. Or Kesler, who represents the team for the sexual equality in sports, or Higgins who just ran in the Vancouver Special Olympics 5k. So smug and arrogant.
Or Bieksa spearheading a mental health campaign.

They may be dbags on the ice (which is a good thing imo), but Vancouver has quality human beings on its roster.

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07-06-2013, 01:31 PM
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This is kind of ridiculous, as you're listing most things that were fully out of his control as bads.

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I would give him a 5/10

It's easy to look back now and use hindsight, but he has been pretty bad. Like another poster said, He got there at the perfect time. That core was progressing along and have hit their prime with him there. He was handed a good core.

- Shouldn't have let Mitchell walk
And 28 other GM passed on him as well. This was absolutely the right choice at the time. You don't invest $7m over 2 years for a guy who you don't even know is healthy. Kings had the capspace to take on that risk, Canucks didn't.

- Shouldn't have let Erhoff walk
Ehrhoff wanted too much money, although in retrospect, I would've been okay with the reproted $26m/5 year contract. But sticking to his guns meant we were able to get Garrison and Edler to sign very reasonable deals.

- Bernier was a bad move
Bad move in hindsight, but reasonable risk at the time.

- Hodgson debacle (Kassian doesn't look good)
Still not enough time has passed to judge that deal properly. Kassian's a year younger and that sort of player develops slowly.

- Goalie debacle

- Ballard trade worked out horribly
Again, hindsight. How could Gillis possibly know that a guy who was a legitimate #2/3 dman for most of his career would have stunk so much with the Canucks?

- Sturm signing
One year low-risk medium-reward deal. It was a nothing contract that turned into Booth.

- Making Luongo captain

- Terrible Derek Roy trade. Brings in a smurf who does nothing for a player and 2nd rounder
Again, you're basing this on hindsight, which you need to stop doing. At the the time, everyone thought it was a great trade because we brought in a legitimate top six centreman who's PPG in the playoffs for cheap.

- Letting go Torres
Can't be mad at that. Look at what he did in Phoenix.

- Kept AV too long IMO
Agreed

- Manny Malhotra optics didn't look good. Didn't they just force him to retire (Which he should have if his eye is bad)\
How is this even remotely a bad? God forbid our GM acts like a human being and puts his player's healthy and well-being ahead of the team.

- Overall he did fill out the team for the cup run, but didn't keep all of the pieces like a Torres. Keeps changing up his philosophy.

The Good

- Garrison & Hamhuis (They wanted to go to Vancouver though)

- Signing guys to good deals (This is not all done by the GM solely)

- Erhoff (Good on him for calling, but that was a SJ cap dump)

- Off ice stuff I guess, but how do you measure that? Sleep stuff, etc.


This guy has just made wayyyyy too many bad moves with what he inherited.

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07-06-2013, 05:28 PM
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I think that trophy went straight to his head. Hes got such a gimp look on his face.

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07-06-2013, 05:29 PM
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This is kind of ridiculous, as you're listing most things that were fully out of his control as bads.
I fully admitted that yes a lot of this is hindsight, but there is nothing wrong with that. The moves did not turn out good even though they seemed like they would.

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