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07-04-2013, 02:32 PM
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Waiting for Alex Galchenyuk's Upper Deck Series 1 card.

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Thanks again guys! All good details to know!

Does anyone have any idea how much a Jonathan Drouin auto should be worth? I was bidding on a 2012-13 ITG Ultimate auto numbered to 24, but lost it in the last couple of seconds. It went for $80. It basically looked like this without the patch (and the autograph was nicer and more centred):

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/111081512333?...84.m1555.l2649
Probably around that. If it's just for the Auto, I wouldn't pay 80 bucks for it. If it's an auto patch (more than 1 colour) and a low number, then I would.

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Next month I believe.

So the Dual Marks of Obsidian card of Price and Rask signed /25 sold for 107 dollars.

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Probably around that. If it's just for the Auto, I wouldn't pay 80 bucks for it. If it's an auto patch (more than 1 colour) and a low number, then I would.



Next month I believe.

So the Dual Marks of Obsidian card of Price and Rask signed /25 sold for 107 dollars.
I think it's gonna be release in October or November. They always wait for NHL camps. Next month it's gonna be UD Trilogy but the rookie cards don't look nice.

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I think it's gonna be release in October or November. They always wait for NHL camps. Next month it's gonna be UD Trilogy but the rookie cards don't look nice.
Ah yeah that's what I was thinking of.

This year's will have this year's rookies and last year's rookie, so it's going to be a sick set.

I'm looking at a 98-99 Patrick Roy sixth sense /300 I think. Or /100. The guy selling it says it's worth around 300, but I can't find it in my price buck. The card is still cheap, but has over a day left.

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2013/2014 Scores are looking good.

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07-04-2013, 09:52 PM
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Just bout 3 more boxes of this product....I'm officially addicted to collecting again.

At $65 a box (after tax and shipping), it's not so bad though. I'm getting that much just on the inserts, with the potential for more.
I would stay away from this product altogether. ITG stuff is not licensed and is lower quality that even Panini. If you have a signed card of ITG and one of UD of the same rarity, the UD one is worth the base price and the ITG one is worth a fraction, assuming both exist. 80% of the collector base doesn't consider ITG cards to have any sort of legitimacy.



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That's a pretty cool set from the looks of it. Agreed on the Varlamov jersey insert, that could definitely be worth something. Are you planning on grading it?
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If the card is rare and special enough, it could be worth it. It's really up to you. Varlamov is a legend and his untimely death just adds to the mystique. I'd so some research on it and see if it's worth anything. If it is, you should be able to tell if it'll get a good grade or not. If it grades high, you're golden.
This is neither a player or card worth grading. The people who collect Varlamov, they have a small but constant demand. There's no hype surrounding him, he's a known quantity. And he has no true RC so it's not worth grading. There isn't anyone out there who is thinking that they need a graded version of any Varlamov except maybe his Parkhurst "rookie card."



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Does anyone know what a Nazem Kadri Young Guns card normally goes for? I'm looking to buy one.
15 bucks on eBay like the other guy said. Cheap.



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Yakupov will. Schultz likely won't. His rookie will be easier to attain.

I'm still looking for a graded YG Subban rookie for a good price.

I've found a French Subban YG /25 BV of 150. 6 days left, though. Could get pretty expensive.
1) Agree...regarding Yak and Schultz...in fact a raw Yak, ungraded, might fetch $50+ right from the beginning and demand for Yak >>>>> Schultz since he's a defenseman and to be real, Yak has top tier talent, JS is just a good young player. But his demand will be higher than normal for a player playing his position. There are a lot of Oiler fans and fanboys out there.

2) This is the wrong time to buy a PK YG. Wait 'til next year.

3) The French cards aren't really considered legit collectibles...they're like the lite beer of hockey cards. If you're going to get one, get a true English one. If UD made French cards every year, that would be different but that French set was an anomaly and there are TONS of it leftover as sealed product.



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There's too many young guns produced for the value to ever "sky rocket", even Crosby's young gun is gradually getting cheaper. The best prices will come in the off-season though with card values really bottoming out in August, prior to the time they begin to ramp up for training camp/preseason/regular season start.

Card graded a 9 usually have a very small added premium than an ungraded one but fairly low (25% or less). 9.5's are when the cost really leaps up, roughly 3-5x an ungraded one. And since there are very few 10's, those can go very high if the right buyer can be found.
Not true. Kadri plays for Toronto and any time any of their young players gets even a little hype, the Young Guns explode. Just ask collectors about Luke Schenn, Justin Pogge, Jonas Gustavsson, Jiri Tlusty and James Reimer...all sub-par prospects or hobby weaklings (Schenn is a defensive defenseman) and all were worth tons one time or another, like 5 to 10 times what they should be worth. To put it another way, if Kadri played for Nashville, his YG currently at $15 would trade for 2 bucks.

And for new cards, especially common cards like YGs, a 9.0 will drive the price DOWN. You're correct on the 9.5 to 10s though although for key RCs, I see the YGs are 5 to 10 times rather than 3 to 5 times. The multiplier is higher for hotter cards and elite players.



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are they still making upper deck ice sets? i got my biggest haul from that set a few years ago when i pulled a tavares rookie out of 99. sold it for 600 bucks
Yes. However nowadays the base sets are just embossed, ugly cardboard cards (although last few years they have looked ok) and the rookie cards are on acetate. Since Panini came in to the market, the NHL cut down Upper Deck's brand count from 20 to 12. UD decided to not sell UD Ice as sealed product (too bad because the inserts were so choice!) but instead when you buy certain boxes like Black Diamond last year, you get one pack of Ice for free and each pack has an acetate rookie card.



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Thanks again guys! All good details to know!

Does anyone have any idea how much a Jonathan Drouin auto should be worth? I was bidding on a 2012-13 ITG Ultimate auto numbered to 24, but lost it in the last couple of seconds. It went for $80. It basically looked like this without the patch (and the autograph was nicer and more centred):
Drouin will have legitimate NHL-licensed autograph issues in a couple of months in both UD and Panini product. I would wait for a few more months and try to acquire the SP Authentic one, which will be a /999 true rookie card that will not only be highly desirable now, it will also be considered a key rookie card (top five) later when he has like 30 rookie cards at the end of the season. You'll probably have to pay like $50 to 80 bucks for it...he'll be like Patrick Kane value except the value will be -30% because he plays for Tampa Bay. The next nearest example is Stamkos and his cards are worth less than even Tavares cards of the same kind.



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Waiting for Alex Galchenyuk's Upper Deck Series 1 card.
His Young Guns might be in Series 1 or Series 2. There are so many good rookies, they might split the classes in half with 60% of the good RCs in Series 1 and 40% in Series 2. So your boy has about 60% chance to be in series 1.



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Probably around that. If it's just for the Auto, I wouldn't pay 80 bucks for it. If it's an auto patch (more than 1 colour) and a low number, then I would.

Next month I believe.

So the Dual Marks of Obsidian card of Price and Rask signed /25 sold for 107 dollars.
Good to know. Looks like people love those UD Black cards. I think they were awesome and look so good. I have a four digit card from that product. Triple patch 08-09 Crosby/Fleury/Malkin blue parallel 1/1. I opened 1.5 cases of that product and it's one of my faves...just a bit pricey is all. Personally I think they should revive the brand by sprinkling in some UD Black cards in SP Authentic and SP Game Used, just to keep the brand going.



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I think it's gonna be release in October or November. They always wait for NHL camps. Next month it's gonna be UD Trilogy but the rookie cards don't look nice.
No one buys Trilogy for the rookies. It is a semi-premium brand that is released early in the season. Other than UD S1 (which has a second series obviously), none of the early season products have good RCs...with the exception of the /99 Ice rookies in the Black Diamond boxes. People buy Trilogy because the autographed acetate cards are so nice and the product has some minor hits sprinkled throughout the product. Black Diamond and Artifacts also have weak RCs...meaning after the season, the RCs in those cards go down in value a lot and are not highly sought after like Young Guns, SPA Future Watch /999 or The Cup RCs.



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I'm looking at a 98-99 Patrick Roy sixth sense /300 I think. Or /100. The guy selling it says it's worth around 300, but I can't find it in my price buck. The card is still cheap, but has over a day left.
This card was an extremely tough pull back in the day, like tougher to pull than a /30 Roy made now. Not sure if it's worth 300 but it might be...that's not necessarily a crazy price. A lot of 90s collectors are coming back with more money from their jobs and are nostalgically putting these sets together. Because the cards come up so infrequently, often bidding wars break out. And those collectors often see one card they need then nothing for five pay periods in a row so they have a lot to spend.



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2013/2014 Scores are looking good.
I think the only reason I'd ever buy Score is to give to little kids. They're basically little kids' cards. The first year Score was a cool novelty because that set was so iconic because the 90-91 hockey card season was so special. That rookie class had more high end RCs than even 05-06 or 13-14. But people have to remember, after the second year, no one gave a damn about Score for the next 5 years until Pinnacle went bankrupt.

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^^^ Some great info.

I do disagree with your assessment of ITG though. Their Between the Pipes, Heroes & Prospects, and various commemorative sets do get quite a bit of love from collectors.

The ITG are not considered the "rookies" though, if that's what you're after.

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I think the only reason I'd ever buy Score is to give to little kids. They're basically little kids' cards. The first year Score was a cool novelty because that set was so iconic because the 90-91 hockey card season was so special. That rookie class had more high end RCs than even 05-06 or 13-14. But people have to remember, after the second year, no one gave a damn about Score for the next 5 years until Pinnacle went bankrupt.
... or if you don't want to spend 100s/1000s of dollars to achieve an acceptable collection of hockey cards.


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... or if you don't want to spend 100s/1000s of dollars to achieve an acceptable collection of hockey cards.
No, then your product is O Pee Chee.

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^^^ Some great info.

I do disagree with your assessment of ITG though. Their Between the Pipes, Heroes & Prospects, and various commemorative sets do get quite a bit of love from collectors.

The ITG are not considered the "rookies" though, if that's what you're after.
I felt that ITGs products were sub par but my personal preference is irrelevant. However after asking about 50 different dealers and wholesalers, their opinion almost universally seems to be that ITG is bad and the guy who runs the show is a jerk. There are a few hardcore collectors, who make up half a percent of the collecting base as a whole or 30% of the hardcore base who like ITG. But personally I think it's only because they've convinced themselves that Upper Deck is bad the same way Veruca Salt is angry at her father.

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No, then your product is O Pee Chee.
I wouldn't buy OPC for kids, not out of packs/boxes anyway. The set size is so big compared to the number of cards you get out of a box that it's absurdly difficult to finish.

My kids were really into the Panini sticker sets. The collation is terrible, but we were working on four sets at once, so that didn't matter so much.

I don't know if there's a viable kids' sportscard release. In the past five years, I've seen one kid with a stack of cards that wasn't Magic or Pokemon.

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So what seems to be the best product to buy? Thinking of getting back into the hobby but so much has changed since I was a kid. Back then it was just the rookies you wanted but now everyone has inserts and autographs, jerseys etc. I am leaning towards UD. The first year they came out was the last year I stopped collecting. I should break out my collection at some point to see if I have anything worthwhile

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I collect and that's almost as good as you're going to get with a UD Series 2 tin.

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score was bad. i had a tonne of them because they were cheaper. You can still find them in packs of approx 20-30 at dollarama LOL.

they ruined hockey cards lol. now packs are fairly expensive.

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I wouldn't buy OPC for kids, not out of packs/boxes anyway. The set size is so big compared to the number of cards you get out of a box that it's absurdly difficult to finish.

My kids were really into the Panini sticker sets. The collation is terrible, but we were working on four sets at once, so that didn't matter so much.

I don't know if there's a viable kids' sportscard release. In the past five years, I've seen one kid with a stack of cards that wasn't Magic or Pokemon.
No one said we're buying cards for kids. I said Score is for kids, the guy said he doesn't want to spend a ton on cards for himself so I told him to buy O Pee Chee then for himself...not for kids.

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So what seems to be the best product to buy? Thinking of getting back into the hobby but so much has changed since I was a kid. Back then it was just the rookies you wanted but now everyone has inserts and autographs, jerseys etc. I am leaning towards UD. The first year they came out was the last year I stopped collecting. I should break out my collection at some point to see if I have anything worthwhile
This coming year's Upper Deck base brand will be INSANE. Both Series 1 and Series 2 will be worth getting. However, I would buy only Hobby boxes off eBay or a dealer you know.

The rookie class will be nuts...all of last year's best rookies like Yakupov and all of the crazy rookies from this year's draft and last year's draft. Plus some random rookies that have just made the show like LA's Tyler Toffoli.


Not only do you get six highly desirable rookie cards in every box, the Young Guns, but you also get two jersey cards per box and a /100 parallel that 1/3rd chance will be a Young Guns card.
AND you will get Canvas cards that are pretty cards that also may have Young Guns. AND 2/3rds of the boxes you will get a case hit card that can be...an autograph card, /100 acetate insert, SP card (Heroes of Hockey 80s, probably), SP Canvas card, patch, multi-swatch jersey, /10 parallel, and possibly some other sick stuff.

This is the only product where there are so many case hits, in a 12 box case you seem to get 8 or more case hits.


Personally I'm going to try to get at least 4 cases of UD S1, possibly more. Like 3 grand worth of cards...

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ive got a dean mcammond card with him lying on a snowmobile feeding deer. its the most hilarious thing i have seen.

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I just bought an upper deck series 2 tin and think I got a pretty good tin. I was wondering if anyone else has baught a UD tin and what was in it. Here are the highlights from mine:

UD Canvas Young guns Colin Greening

Dmitry Orlov Young guns

Lennart Petrell rookie

Ryan Ellis Young Guns

Alexei Emelin Rookie

Gabriel landeskog rookie

Zack kassian rookie

Gustav Nyquist young guns

Brendon Saad rookie

Jean Beliveau hockey heroes

Jaromir Jagr UD canvas

Kassian OPC retro

Vanek UD Canvas

Weiss UD Canvas

Mike Green Canvas

So what do you think? I thought it was pretty good. have you guys ever gotten a good UD tin?

Edit- Forgot to mention I got a blown up Taylor Hall
Question, how did you get an UD rookie card that is not a Young Gun?

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I felt that ITGs products were sub par but my personal preference is irrelevant. However after asking about 50 different dealers and wholesalers, their opinion almost universally seems to be that ITG is bad and the guy who runs the show is a jerk. There are a few hardcore collectors, who make up half a percent of the collecting base as a whole or 30% of the hardcore base who like ITG. But personally I think it's only because they've convinced themselves that Upper Deck is bad the same way Veruca Salt is angry at her father.
ITG is very limited in what they can do. They don't have licesne are, therefore limited in their photo selection.

They have done some creative things to make some desirable sets though. The Between the Pipes and Prospects and Heroes both get substantial buys every year. These products do well on e-bay, which is a good gauge of the market.

For something like a rookie card or non-specialty set, yes, you are 100% correct though, ITG is below standard.

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Speaking of hockey cards, does anyone know any good/reliable websites that you can buy cards on? ( I don't know if you are allowed to say on here or not considering I am new here) So sorry

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ive got a dean mcammond card with him lying on a snowmobile feeding deer. its the most hilarious thing i have seen.
I think I know the one you're talking about...possibly Be A Player by Upper Deck.



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Question, how did you get an UD rookie card that is not a Young Gun?
In the last few years of UD S2, it's possible to pull the following RCs other than normal YGs: Victory, Victory black, MVP, OPC, OPC Retro, Canvas YG.



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ITG is very limited in what they can do. They don't have licesne are, therefore limited in their photo selection.

They have done some creative things to make some desirable sets though. The Between the Pipes and Prospects and Heroes both get substantial buys every year. These products do well on e-bay, which is a good gauge of the market.

For something like a rookie card or non-specialty set, yes, you are 100% correct though, ITG is below standard.
Cool man, like I said it's not my opinion. This is what my research has told me. But to be really real, if you like the cards you got from ITG, that's all that matters.



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Are you looking for single cards or boxes of cards? Actually you can get both on eBay.

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score was bad. i had a tonne of them because they were cheaper. You can still find them in packs of approx 20-30 at dollarama LOL.

they ruined hockey cards lol. now packs are fairly expensive.
What ruined card collecting was the inserts and that adults took over the hobby.

My name says what I like to collect, baseball collection I have 100 Larry Walker UD RCs.

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Dude, you serious? That's sick.

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