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07-06-2013, 08:09 PM
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People who think briere signing was bad need to delete there HF accounts especially related to the habs forum.


WE ARE NOT A CUP CONTENDING TEAM RIGHT NOW. WE DO NOT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A PLAYOFF CHI, BOS, LA, PHI



Does anyone know the value a playoff veteran power play specialists go for at the deadline ?


Briere isnt here to win a cup, hes here for us to hype his talents so we can sell him for more team equity.

Plus hes great drama for laPress


You people are delusional if you think the habs can win a stanley cup within the next 2-3 hell even 4 years.
Signing Briere to trade him at the deadline? Seems like a great way to get an even worse reputation among the futur UFA! Exactly what we need right?

What a loser mentality. People are really getting used to losing/being average around here.

Think about this long and hard: Maybe if we weren't signing washed , useless UFA and this management was trying to improve this team a little bit year after year by filling needs AKA size grit into our top 6 foward group and top 4 d-man core, The Habs would progressively turn into a contender cup!

Our goal should be, like Bergevin said, to always improve and gradually becoming a contender team. Please, explain to me how extending Bouillon, Desharnais and signing Briere accomplish that?

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Just out of curiousity, for how long have you been following the Habs? You seems totally content with mediocrity. Like a majority around here, I want this team to win. I'm getting sick tuning the TV on/ paying for tickets to watch the same average/microwaved product every year. I simply can't understand the move Bergevin made and don't see how it improves this team. Other smarter moves could have been made.

No, I don't see hockey dirigeant as God who are highly superior human beings than us. Simply charismatic ex-nhl player/people with good hockey contact who might possess above average intellectual and motivation level than others. I don't see what's wrong with critizing this unsuccessful direction that this team is STILL taking who haven't worked for 20 years.

Bergevin haven't adressed our needs. He signed a washed up shtrumph just to add to our collection of unidimensional player. Another centre who Therrien will have to protect/ will take the place of our hungrier youngster will he could have use this money eslewhere. But hey, disapproving this move is wrong! Habs can't do no harm! I remember when Gainey was treated as god and had an army of white knight protecting him against the "bad" fans
And how could he get all those big tough guy that everybody want this summer? All I see is "we need to get bigger" (which I also think we need to do) but is it really that easy to do?

Seriously, why would the teams with those big guys (who also needs to play hockey, or fans would still be mad) trade them to us? There are not a lot of them out there, the teams that have some surely want to keep them 'cause you know, just maybe, maybe they possibly, potentially, like them and need them as much as we do?

And no, signing an overpriced free agent isn't going to solve the problem, or at least it will create a bigger one when we'll need to sign Subban/Eller/Gally/Galchy to long term contracts with a freaking 3rd liner getting paid 5M a year for the next seven years.

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You sound hysterical. Diaz was having a breakout season until his concussion. Soupy is a solid and very tough 6/7 guy. Gorges had an off year for him but is a good leader, is great on the PK and has probably blocked more shots in the last 3 years than anyone else who's not a goalie. And Markov is probably still the best PPQB in the league.

To say these players stink is ridiculous.
if these 4 are in your top 6 six u are in trouble

take off your blinders my friend , go watch the finals again and see what a legit d looks like

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07-06-2013, 08:12 PM
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What is foolish is expecting a rookie GM to reinvent the game, to completely change free agent's outlook of Montreal in just little over a season.

When Bergevin was signed, I wasn't stoked. I wasn't displeased either.

Like any mature person would do, I decided to wait and see what he could do in the span of at least 3 to 5 seasons. Despite not liking the fact that he seems really good at putting the media on his side, and pandering to them somewhat, I still wanted to wait and see. Still doing that right now.

The way many fans are reacting right now is more a sign of who they are as a person, rather than any indication to Bergevin's overall aptitudes as a GM.
I happen to like Bergevin but this move of signing Briere has me completely baffled. We currently have 3 other small top 6 forwards that can do the same job as good, or better than him (Gionta, Gallagher, DD). Let me ask you this, how many of these players does the team need? In addition, at 35 yrs of age, Briere is clearly not the same player that he was 5 or even 3 yrs ago. Adding Briere to the mix is a move without vision.

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And how could he get all those big tough guy that everybody want this summer? All I see is "we need to get bigger" (which I also think we need to do) but is it really that easy to do?

Seriously, why would the teams with those big guys (who also needs to play hockey, or fans would still be mad) trade them to us? There are not a lot of them out there, the teams that have some surely want to keep them 'cause you know, just maybe, maybe they possibly, potentially, like them and need them as much as we do?

And no, signing an overpriced free agent isn't going to solve the problem, or at least it will create a bigger one when we'll need to sign Subban/Eller/Gally/Galchy to long term contracts with a freaking 3rd liner getting paid 5M a year for the next seven years.
Yeah they don't think of the methods of getting these gritty top-6/elite players they just want them to show up with their hockey bag in Montreal. They don't seem to want to sign them to crippling 5-7 year contracts but somehow still expect to get them. They also seem to think that other teams will trade them to us if we ask nicely.

The reality of the situation is no team is gonna part with any player in this mold without clearly winning the deal. Maybe if we send elite talent someone would listen, but I don't fault MB for not overpaying. Only irrational, impatient, delusional fans think that a GM can take over a team that finished 28th a year ago to a stanley cup contender in a year and a half.

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Since my childhood and I'm in the mid-30s.

The way you're projecting a counter-extreme (as if anyone is content with 'mediocrity') unto to me to validate your own extremism doesn't in turn validate any of your grievances. I could expound on the merits, or rather lack thereof, of complaining of not addressing needs in a saturated market with overpriced commodities, in line with MB's proclamation of bidding on the draft and development of players, but i fear it would be a waste of time.

Not to mention the fact MB is a rookie GM with only one shortened season under his watch and the off-season is far from over.
So, what you are basically saying is since guy adressing our need on the UFA market were asking for too much, we were better of signing a unidimentional 35 years old Briere who isn't even succeful at the only aspect of the game he was good at at 4M$? That's what I mean by average/mediocrity satisfaction. We would have been better of paying more to aquire better quality, or not getting nothing at all. Rather keep that cap space for an eventual trade in the futur with team close top cap ceiling.

AS far as the off-season being far from over, it doesn't change the fact that the team haven't been improved yet and we only have a worthless/handicap signature to show for. The Briere signature is independant of other moves he might do. No matter which way you put it, like the DD extension, it plain suck and doesn't adress a need.

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Yeah they don't think of the methods of getting these gritty top-6/elite players they just want them to show up with their hockey bag in Montreal. They don't seem to want to sign them to crippling 5-7 year contracts but somehow still expect to get them. They also seem to think that other teams will trade them to us if we ask nicely.

The reality of the situation is no team is gonna part with any player in this mold without clearly winning the deal. Maybe if we send elite talent someone would listen, but I don't fault MB for not overpaying. Only irrational, impatient, delusional fans think that a GM can take over a team that finished 28th a year ago to a stanley cup contender in a year and a half.
An then, the same people would complain that we overpay

The best way to get big players it the same way the Hawks did: by drafting. And we made a step in this direction with the drafting of McCarron and de la Rose. Maybe Bergevin can surprise us and get a big winger like Stewart that doesn't seem like wanting to sign for the price St-Louis offers him. But I doubt it, and he will probably get a lot of $$$ anyway.

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This thread is so childish.

It's not being negative, it's being critical of the situation presented before us. The idiot GMs we've had over the years all claimed the same thing: build through the draft, it's not worth taking risks or risking the future, patience, stand pat, the price was too high, yada, yada, yada.

It's been 10 years and nothing's been different. It's been 20 years since we last won anything. We have good pieces in place but what's the point of signing Briere if you won't trust them to step up to the next level instead of just get 3rd line minutes? And if not, if they're absolutely not ready, why the hell do you sign a broken down Briere and not a better FA?

It's always the middle-ground, unambitious, complacent option and it always results in failure. Kinda like Gretzky's thing there about missing shots, the Habs' braintrust gets their rocks off by never taking a shot at anything. We end up with Robert Lang as a big-time centre in our centennial year, and after that? Scott Gomez.

Are Bouillon and DD parts of a Stanley Cup winning team? Is Gionta the #1 RW of a Stanley Cup winning team?

Why aren't we directing the team toward THAT goal and not toward making the playoffs? ffs you have to be merely MEDIOCRE to make the playoffs, it's really not that hard. I'm tired of that being the ultimate goal.

For the record I'm not saying that we sign Clarkson or trade first rounders, I'm just saying this organization's mandate has been mediocrity - systematic mediocrity. From the choices of coach, to the size we present, to the friggin extensions they hand out. Mediocrity turns Molson & Co on.

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People who think briere signing was bad need to delete there HF accounts especially related to the habs forum.


WE ARE NOT A CUP CONTENDING TEAM RIGHT NOW. WE DO NOT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A PLAYOFF CHI, BOS, LA, PHI



Does anyone know the value a playoff veteran power play specialists go for at the deadline ?


Briere isnt here to win a cup, hes here for us to hype his talents so we can sell him for more team equity.

Plus hes great drama for laPress


You people are delusional if you think the habs can win a stanley cup within the next 2-3 hell even 4 years.
WE ARE NOT A CUP CONTENDING TEAM RIGHT NOW. WE DO NOT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A PLAYOFF CHI, BOS, LA, PHI

Right now, as in July 6, if the roster stays as is. I agree. However I do believe that we're a few good decisions away from standing a chance against a playoff CHI, BOS. LA, PHI.

You people are delusional if you think the habs can win a stanley cup within the next 2-3 hell even 4 years

With a few good roster decisions and a goalie that plays light out in the playoffs, the Habs can win a Stanley Cup this season. If our goalie plays the way Steve Penney, Halak, or even Jose Theodore played for us in the playoffs we can win the Cup right now. Won't bother bringing up Roy... Penney was a second string backup playing in front of a much worse Habs team than we have now and took the Habs up 2 games to 0 vs the Isles in the Conference Finals. The Isles won the Cup.

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And how could he get all those big tough guy that everybody want this summer? All I see is "we need to get bigger" (which I also think we need to do) but is it really that easy to do?

Seriously, why would the teams with those big guys (who also needs to play hockey, or fans would still be mad) trade them to us? There are not a lot of them out there, the teams that have some surely want to keep them 'cause you know, just maybe, maybe they possibly, potentially, like them and need them as much as we do?

And no, signing an overpriced free agent isn't going to solve the problem, or at least it will create a bigger one when we'll need to sign Subban/Eller/Gally/Galchy to long term contracts with a freaking 3rd liner getting paid 5M a year for the next seven years.
Well there were 4-5 available as UFAs and one that was traded for a reasonable price. We also traded one early in the season because he was struggling. It might not be easy but it's not impossible either.

Needing cap space for Subban was Bergevin's own fault for insisting on a bridge deal. By the time the Gally's need to be re-signed we only have 8 players signed so have tons of flexibility.

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The reality of the situation is no team is gonna part with any player in this mold without clearly winning the deal. Maybe if we send elite talent someone would listen, but I don't fault MB for not overpaying. Only irrational, impatient, delusional fans think that a GM can take over a team that finished 28th a year ago to a stanley cup contender in a year and a half.
Matt Hendricks ( at less money than we spent on Shrimpy Bridge for twice the term) says hi from Nashville, a team full of gritty guys.

We don't need a clarkson or clowe ( at that price). We need shrimpy Briere even less, irrespective of the cost. Gallagher must have all kinds of new found confidence knowing we signed parrots, provided it one of the games he dresses and it coincides with those previous 5 or 6 minutes of the game that stashy is off the bench.

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Signing Briere to trade him at the deadline? Seems like a great way to get an even worse reputation among the futur UFA! Exactly what we need right?

What a loser mentality. People are really getting used to losing/being average around here.

Think about this long and hard: Maybe if we weren't signing washed , useless UFA and this management was trying to improve this team a little bit year after year by filling needs AKA size grit into our top 6 foward group and top 4 d-man core, The Habs would progressively turn into a contender cup!

Our goal should be, like Bergevin said, to always improve and gradually becoming a contender team. Please, explain to me how extending Bouillon, Desharnais and signing Briere accomplish that?
bang on :han dclap:

folks did you watch the finals ? those teams and the Kings are the model for a contender

great d , legit top 4 with a stud d , 1-2 punch down the middle , solid complimentary scorers on the top 6 , role players , grit, size and depth to grind out a 4 series win

WE DONT HAVE THAT , SO YOU DONT FIX IT BY INKING THE MOST DYSFUCNTIONAL
NO ROLE CENTER IN DD TO 4 YEARS , when you have Pleks ,Eller and Galchy ahead of him , this deal is lunacy

Briere was a great playoff player but we dont have Pronger Carter , Richards , etc.

same with Diaz , he stunk in the playoffs , he is not built for the playoffs so why the praise folks? who cares if he looked ok for a bit , we cant win with him when it counts , we picked him up overseas like Streit , so we can find a more competent player somehere else .

Even Cube god love him but is Pateyrn worse for 14 minutes a night ?
so we can see if he can play a bottom 6 role

can someone tell me who has a DD , Diaz and Cube on those 3 champion teams ?

how can we seriously go into next year with DD, Gio , Briere , Gallagher and compete , MB has to do something

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This thread is so childish.

It's not being negative, it's being critical of the situation presented before us. The idiot GMs we've had over the years all claimed the same thing: build through the draft, it's not worth taking risks or risking the future, patience, stand pat, the price was too high, yada, yada, yada.

It's been 10 years and nothing's been different. It's been 20 years since we last won anything. We have good pieces in place but what's the point of signing Briere if you won't trust them to step up to the next level instead of just get 3rd line minutes? And if not, if they're absolutely not ready, why the hell do you sign a broken down Briere and not a better FA?

It's always the middle-ground, unambitious, complacent option and it always results in failure. Kinda like Gretzky's thing there about missing shots, the Habs' braintrust gets their rocks off by never taking a shot at anything. We end up with Robert Lang as a big-time centre in our centennial year, and after that? Scott Gomez.

Are Bouillon and DD parts of a Stanley Cup winning team? Is Gionta the #1 RW of a Stanley Cup winning team?

Why aren't we directing the team toward THAT goal and not toward making the playoffs? ffs you have to be merely MEDIOCRE to make the playoffs, it's really not that hard. I'm tired of that being the ultimate goal.

For the record I'm not saying that we sign Clarkson or trade first rounders, I'm just saying this organization's mandate has been mediocrity - systematic mediocrity. From the choices of coach, to the size we present, to the friggin extensions they hand out. Mediocrity turns Molson & Co on.
With this way of thinking, anybody with a little common sense and average intellectual capacities could be GM of the Montreal Canadiens. Just count on Timmins to draft you a team and sign average/washed up UFA in the hope they become bargain.

It might sounds rude, but I'd like Molson to hire a GM who got a Degree and a high level of education and not a ex-NHL player/french/buddies of his. A guy with some guts like Chiarelli ( who got a degree in Rights and Economy), somebody who is actually pro-active.

Yes, building through the draft is a valide option, but 29 others team are doing it to. We aren't the only one with a bright futur, each team have solid prospect coming up. ALL succefull teams use the UFA/trade market to go after quality peaces. It's all good to have a plan but sometimes, you gotta thinks outside the box, get out of you're way to improve your team. Success ain't gonna fall onto your laps. That's the difference between succeful GM and average ones. They CREATE opportunity. They don't watch the parade from 100 feet away, sitting on their deck chair.

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Signing Briere to trade him at the deadline? Seems like a great way to get an even worse reputation among the futur UFA! Exactly what we need right?

What a loser mentality. People are really getting used to losing/being average around here.

Think about this long and hard: Maybe if we weren't signing washed , useless UFA and this management was trying to improve this team a little bit year after year by filling needs AKA size grit into our top 6 foward group and top 4 d-man core, The Habs would progressively turn into a contender cup!

Our goal should be, like Bergevin said, to always improve and gradually becoming a contender team. Please, explain to me how extending Bouillon, Desharnais and signing Briere accomplish that?
Not sure if you realise it... but he's doing it with the drafts... You don't make your team better with FA unless they're for depth... or if you're entering your 4-5-6 years cup contending window...

You guys are so obsessed with Desharnais, or the size of the players in Montreal, that you just can't comprehend what's trully going on.

Get it in your heads: Montreal are rebuilding by drafting what they need. What the **** are you guys expecting exactly? A cup next season? LOL, Bergevin will never be a good GM with that poor mentality.

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With this way of thinking, anybody with a little common sense and average intellectual capacities could be GM of the Montreal Canadiens. Just count on Timmins to draft you a team and sign average/washed up UFA in the hope they become bargain.

It might sounds rude, but I'd like Molson to hire a GM who got a Degree and a high level of education and not a ex-NHL player/french/buddies of his. A guy with some guts like Chiarelli ( who got a degree in Rights and Economy), somebody who is actually pro-active.

Yes, building through the draft is a valide option, but 29 others team are doing it to. We aren't the only one with a bright futur, each team have solid prospect coming up. ALL succefull teams use the UFA/trade market to go after quality peaces. It's all good to have a plan but sometimes, you gotta thinks outside the box, get out of you're way to improve your team. Success ain't gonna fall onto your laps. That's the difference between succeful GM and average ones. They CREATE opportunity. They don't watch the parade from 100 feet away, sitting on their deck chair.
by that logic, Holmgren must be the best GM in the league...

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I happen to like Bergevin but this move of signing Briere has me completely baffled. We currently have 3 other small top 6 forwards that can do the same job as good, or better than him (Gionta, Gallagher, DD). Let me ask you this, how many of these players does the team need? In addition, at 35 yrs of age, Briere is clearly not the same player that he was 5 or even 3 yrs ago. Adding Briere to the mix is a move without vision.
Molson will never state this in front of the cameras, although if you let me digress for a minute, I read an article in La Presse a few months ago (it was in the lockout period) where Molson stated, in relation to shareholders vs employess, that what really mattered is what the shareholders thought, now... what do you believe Molson is asking first and foremost from Bergevin?? Why do you think every GM in Montreal is conservative since the Habs have become a cash cow?

On the other hand, what I see is that this whole process is starting to pay dividends. Talent-wise, this team can drive offense from all three lines, and 4 of the main ingredients are just getting started (Subban, two Gallys, Eller) while we have a few other good players that should come in (Tinordi, Beaulieu, Leblanc, Collberg...), and then several others who are hitting their prime (Price, Gorges, Pac, Emelin, Diaz). This sizable core has an average age of 22. Any accumulation of talent tends to be chaotic in filling specific needs, and sometimes give redundancies, like how we had Diaz, Subban and Weber, all has offensive right handed Ds. And the funny part is that it's actually a rare thing. How you take a chance on a guy like DD who wasn't drafted and then a guy like Gallagher in the 5th round, also taken a chance on, and both end up performing, rather than other higher picks, like say, Ben Maxwell or Kyle Chipchura.

Adding Brière might seem illogical, but if we follow Mb's train of thought, his logic of building through the draft, well then you at least want to create an environment where they can showcase their talent, whether a young player or veteran, and adding depth, no matter if 5'10, will only help maintain this, helping to get good value on his own players. In the end, this depth will help sell some of our talent to fill the true needs of the team.

Not many players in such an open market would accept a short term contract, this too fits the logic as you don't want to shackle yourself with lenghty contracts to overpaid role players.

Now, is it the only route to take? Sure as hell no. But none of us are there to hear what is actually proposed from one GM to another, or to a player.

Funny how, if Lecavalier would've signed, the whole narrative would change and Bergevin would be seen as a hero and blah blah blah. All hinging on the player's decision, in a market with few commodities and a lot of suitors.

Let's be realistic here. It has nothing to do with being 'content'.

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Matt Hendricks ( at less money than we spent on Shrimpy Bridge for twice the term) says hi from Nashville, a team full of gritty guys.

We don't need a clarkson or clowe ( at that price). We need shrimpy Briere even less, irrespective of the cost. Gallagher must have all kinds of new found confidence knowing we signed parrots, provided it one of the games he dresses and it coincides with those previous 5 or 6 minutes of the game that stashy is off the bench.
agreed my friend , we dont need to spend like drunks or give up the farm to get a player , totally agree

but what pisses me off is we have big issues and holes to fill but we keep putting that same bandaid on the same wound

our d is terrible ES , so please dont extend Diaz and regret it , he isnt a piece to a contending team play Nathan who is far more talented

just make moves that make some sense that one day may pan out not those stupid UFA moves we pulled off 4 years that were clearly going to blow up in our face

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This thread is so childish.

It's not being negative, it's being critical of the situation presented before us.
The idiot GMs we've had over the years all claimed the same thing: build through the draft, it's not worth taking risks or risking the future, patience, stand pat, the price was too high, yada, yada, yada.

It's been 10 years and nothing's been different. It's been 20 years since we last won anything. We have good pieces in place but what's the point of signing Briere if you won't trust them to step up to the next level instead of just get 3rd line minutes? And if not, if they're absolutely not ready, why the hell do you sign a broken down Briere and not a better FA?

It's always the middle-ground, unambitious, complacent option and it always results in failure. Kinda like Gretzky's thing there about missing shots, the Habs' braintrust gets their rocks off by never taking a shot at anything. We end up with Robert Lang as a big-time centre in our centennial year, and after that? Scott Gomez.

Are Bouillon and DD parts of a Stanley Cup winning team? Is Gionta the #1 RW of a Stanley Cup winning team?

Why aren't we directing the team toward THAT goal and not toward making the playoffs? ffs you have to be merely MEDIOCRE to make the playoffs, it's really not that hard. I'm tired of that being the ultimate goal.

For the record I'm not saying that we sign Clarkson or trade first rounders, I'm just saying this organization's mandate has been mediocrity - systematic mediocrity. From the choices of coach, to the size we present, to the friggin extensions they hand out. Mediocrity turns Molson & Co on.
Great post, my thoughts exactly.

Also, I'm sick and tired of hearing stuff like the guy responded earlier in the discussion. I said that I have more education (and so does a lot of other people here) than our management and I don't feel they're any smarter than us. The guy responded that I shouldn't watch the habs if I'm so educated. WTF is that..

I'm a physician, and there are many other on this board, and there's also engineers, economists, etc. It's not like we're dumb... We have the right to be critical of the mediocre product we've had for years. Seriously, I'm watching Bergevin and I'm not really convinced the guy's a genius.

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Not sure if you realise it... but he's doing it with the drafts... You don't make your team better with FA unless they're for depth... or if you're entering your 4-5-6 years cup contending window...

You guys are so obsessed with Desharnais, or the size of the players in Montreal, that you just can't comprehend what's trully going on.

Get it in your heads: Montreal are rebuilding by drafting what they need. What the **** are you guys expecting exactly? A cup next season? LOL, Bergevin will never be a good GM with that poor mentality.
Unless your Boston and build your team around an Elite FA.

The problem with building by draft only is you need a bunch of really high picks. Because otherwise by the time your prospects start contributing the previous batch is leaving and you only end up treading water year after year. If we have to wait for guys like McCarron to come in and address our size issues then we will also need to get replacements for Markov, Plekanec, Gionta. And that's if he even reaches his potential.

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Yes, we're signing what some might call washed-up UFAs. But signing them to 2 years contract won't hinder us in the future, when Galchenyuk, Eller, Gallagher, Price, Subban, Tinordi and Beaulieu are in their prime. In 3 years, some teams will be stuck with 4-6 mill/y contracts for complementary players like Clowe, Clarkson, Horton etc. Our worst potential contracts at this time are Desharnais' and Gorges', and they're far from crippling.

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Yes, we're signing what some might call washed-up UFAs. But signing them to 2 years contract won't hinder us in the future, when Galchenyuk, Eller, Gallagher, Price, Subban, Tinordi and Beaulieu are in their prime. In 3 years, some teams will be stuck with 4-6 mill/y contracts for complementary players like Clowe, Clarkson, Horton etc. Our worst potential contracts at this time are Desharnais' and Gorges', and they're far from crippling.
We're now talking about how it's not so bad because it's only 2 years. Why sign him in the first place. I think the habs had their fair share of washed-up players in the past decade, might as well go for a real change for once and not sign one. People are talking like if 4 millions a year is pocket change.

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Signing Briere to trade him at the deadline? Seems like a great way to get an even worse reputation among the futur UFA! Exactly what we need right?

What a loser mentality. People are really getting used to losing/being average around here.

Think about this long and hard: Maybe if we weren't signing washed , useless UFA and this management was trying to improve this team a little bit year after year by filling needs AKA size grit into our top 6 foward group and top 4 d-man core, The Habs would progressively turn into a contender cup!

Our goal should be, like Bergevin said, to always improve and gradually becoming a contender team. Please, explain to me how extending Bouillon, Desharnais and signing Briere accomplish that?
If briere doesnt pan out he'll be an asset no matter what in the long run. It's simple economics. Teams do this all the time. Look at how veterans are being tossed around the east coast like their dirty hookers. Jagr/Iginla/Alfreddson old recchi etc etc. (joke in good taste imo)

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Yes, we're signing what some might call washed-up UFAs. But signing them to 2 years contract won't hinder us in the future, when Galchenyuk, Eller, Gallagher, Price, Subban, Tinordi and Beaulieu are in their prime. In 3 years, some teams will be stuck with 4-6 mill/y contracts for complementary players like Clowe, Clarkson, Horton etc. Our worst potential contracts at this time are Desharnais' and Gorges', and they're far from crippling.
But don't you see how eerily similar your bit about "players coming into their prime" sounds when you remember we all said the same about Komisarek, Higgins, the Kostitsyns, Grabovski, etc.?

I do think that our current set of young players are superior to our last set, and that if they really do step up this year we have nothing to worry about - if Eller and Galchenyuk TAKE the top6, then suddenly we have a pretty big/big-playing top6 with Bourque, Patches, Eller, Galchenyuk, Plekanec and Gallagher. Thing is two are sophomores, and Therrien might end up leaning on DD-Patches and Pleks-Gionta really heavily.

And our upcoming defense looks terrible, unless - again - Diaz takes a huge step forward and Markov and Gorges step up.

I think we have a good team but bad management. That's what I'm ultimately so negative. I think if we made it a point to sign Lecavalier, even offering more than he got in Philly, just to GET that large presence down the middle. Or if we formed a package to nab Bobby Ryan, it would've indicated a new direction. But nope. We got Briere. 35 year old Briere.

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Watch Brière score 35 goals and make all you complainers look like total fools.

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Watch Brière score 35 goals and make all you complainers look like total fools.
That would be epic

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