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07-07-2013, 08:25 AM
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-Pitkänen is healthy
-Leino and O.Jokinen are able show that they can still play on the level they played a few years ago.
-Vatanen and Granlund have become NHL regulars.

If all of that actually happened, I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the top 4 again.
Agreed & disagreed, somewhat.

First of all, we need every top guy healthy. Especially in defense. Having even a single one sidelined is placing us far from ideal situation.

Leino and Jokinen being huge would take long strides towards solving some of the question marks in our top six, true.

Vatanen and Granlund are slated to make it no matter whether they play with the big club or in the minors. In fact, they don't even need the additional NHL experience to be highly effective. Sochi will be on big ice, and in that regard both are serious studs already with nothing left to prove.

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Agreed & disagreed, somewhat.

First of all, we need every top guy healthy. Especially in defense. Having even a single one sidelined is placing us far from ideal situation.

Leino and Jokinen being huge would take long strides towards solving some of the question marks in our top six, true.

Vatanen and Granlund are slated to make it no matter whether they play with the big club or in the minors. In fact, they don't even need the additional NHL experience to be highly effective. Sochi will be on big ice, and in that regard both are serious studs already with nothing left to prove.
The reason I mentioned Pitkänen, is because he's been struggling with injuries for the last two years. But yes, all the top guys are needed healthy, of course.

Vatanen and Granlund becoming NHL regurals next season would mean, that by the time of the olympics, they would already be used to playing against league's best players on daily basis.


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IF the play in Sochi will even resemble Meidän Peli light... Leino can only make it as a scoring centre. I just don't see him having the feistyness needed to play wing.

If three lines are rolled and Saku AND Olli are out (or Olli plays wing) I could see him on a third line...

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Meidän peli... *Selänne laughs.

Seriously, if Leino is able to show that he is still the same man that dominated in the 2010 playoffs, he WILL make it to the team, no matter what.

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07-13-2013, 05:36 PM
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Team Fantasy, (then you woke up)

T.Ruutu - M.Koivu - V.Filppula <--the premiers
Pitkänen - Vatanen
Rask

Selänne - Barkov - Mi.Granlund <--holy moly
Timonen - Salo
Rinne

Lehterä - S.Koivu - Kontiola <--all in centers
Lydman - Nummelin
Lehtonen

J.Jokinen - O.Jokinen - Korpikoski <--no reverse
Melart - Ristolainen
(Niemi)

13th Pihlström
14th Komarov

'C' S.Koivu
'A' Timonen
'A' M.Koivu
'A' Nummelin

Notable Absentees:
G: (Niemi), Bäckström, Raanta, Rämö
D: Väänänen, Niskala, Kukkonen, Hietanen, Järvinen
F: Bergenheim, Leino, Miettinen, N.Kapanen, Immonen, Joensuu, Aaltonen, Petrell, Armia

dont comment

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07-13-2013, 06:39 PM
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Jussi Jokinen - Mikko Koivu - Tuomo Ruutu

Mikael Granlund - Valtteri Filppula - Ville Leino

Janne Pesonen - Petri Kontiola - Juhamatti Aaltonen

Lauri Korpikoski - Alexander Barkov* - Sean Bergenheim

* = or Saku Koivu


Kimmo Timonen - Sami Vatanen

Joni Pitkänen - Toni Lydman

Ossi Väänänen - Sami Salo*

*= or Sami Lepistö


Pekka Rinne
Tuukka Rask*
Antti Niemi

*= or Kari Lehtonen

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07-19-2013, 01:59 PM
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Team Finland Sotshi 2014

Filppula-M.Koivu-T.Ruutu
J.Jokinen-O.Jokinen-Granlund
Korpikoski-S.Koivu-Selänne
Komarov-Kontiola-Bergenheim
Barkov

Timonen-Salo
Pitkänen-Lydman
Vatanen-Väänänen
Lepistö-Määttä/Ristolainen

Rask
Rinne
Bäckström/Niemi/Lehtonen

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Filppula-M.Koivu-T.Ruutu
J.Jokinen-O.Jokinen-Granlund
Korpikoski-S.Koivu-Selänne
Komarov-Kontiola-Bergenheim
Barkov

Timonen-Salo
Pitkänen-Lydman
Vatanen-Väänänen
Lepistö-Määttä/Ristolainen

Rask
Rinne
Bäckström/Niemi/Lehtonen
Not far from my NHL 13 team xD (Tried to get Rask though..)


Filppula - M.Koivu - T.Ruutu
Granlund - J.Jokinen - Selänne
Korpikoski - S.Koivu - O.Jokinen
Petrell/Bergenheim - Nokelainen - Hagman

Timonen - Salo
Pitkänen - Lydman
Lepistö/Salmela - Väänänen

Rinne
Niemi

I throw the players on the three top lines around though depending on who seems to be hot.

So right now my lines are

M.Koivu (need more points so on wing) - T.Ruutu - Granlund (magical passes even with low rating o.O)
Filppula - J.Jokinen - O.Jokinen
Korpikoski - S.Koivu - Selänne

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07-19-2013, 04:19 PM
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Filppula-M.Koivu-T.Ruutu
J.Jokinen-O.Jokinen-Granlund
Korpikoski-S.Koivu-Selänne
Komarov-Kontiola-Bergenheim
Barkov

Timonen-Salo
Pitkänen-Lydman
Vatanen-Väänänen
Lepistö-Määttä/Ristolainen

Rask
Rinne
Bäckström/Niemi/Lehtonen
Solid team anyways. Might with a bit of luck and so forth get a medal actually, no gold though.

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07-19-2013, 05:32 PM
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What I think it currently looks like:

Rinne/Rask/Niemi


Pitkänen - Lydman
Timonen - Salo
Väänänen - Vatanen
XXX - YYY

Bottom pairing will be any selection of whatever top euro d-men we have or possibly some youngster if he manages to get NHL cred. Niskala, Järvinen, Jaakola, Kukkonen, Melart, Ristolainen, Määttä, Hakanpää, etc. (Note: Not that I personally consider some listed here as serious candidates, but Erkka may disagree.)


Filppula - M.Koivu - Ruutu
Korpikoski - O.Jokinen/Kontiola - Granlund
J.Jokinen - S.Koivu - XXX
Komarov - YYY - Bergenheim

XXX = Selänne, if he goes for one mo' and is in form. If not, then a guy like Aaltonen, Leino or as a long shot, Armia.

YYY = Any centerman who can play solid two-way game. Options abound. Barkov possible, as is Kapanen or some other KHL centre.


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07-20-2013, 05:20 AM
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I don't know if this will make any difference whatsoever once the games start, but I thought it would be interesting to note that we have a reasonably large number of likely Sochi candidates who have not played a single game in the big rink in years. They were in Vancouver (NHL-sized rink) and some were in the 2008 WC (NHL-sized rink, played in Canada), but have missed all big-rink events for the last 8 years (or 10 years in Pitkänen's case).

Defense:

Timonen (last game in 2006)
Pitkänen (2003!)
Salo (2006)
Lydman (2006)


Forwards:

S. Koivu (2006)
Selänne (2006)
Olli Jokinen (2006)


So we're mostly talking about veterans who may not find it as easy to adjust as younger players. This does not increase my trust in our very old defense in particular.

On the other hand we have a handful of NHL/AHL players who profit from the larger rink, such as both Vatanen and Granlund. I'd also be inclined to add Filppula on this list.


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07-20-2013, 07:16 AM
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Team Finland in Sochi:

JOKINEN M.KOIVU RUUTU
(Pittsburg, NHL) (Minnesota, NHL) (Carolina, NHL)

SELÄNNE FILPPULA GRANLUND
(Anaheim, NHL) (Tampa Bay, NHL) (Minnesota, NHL)

KORPIKOSKI S.KOIVU LEINO
(Phoenix, NHL) (Anaheim, NHL) (Buffalo, NHL)

BERGENHEIM BARKOV KOMAROV
(Florida, NHL) (Florida, KHL) (Dynamo Moscow, KHL)



TIMONEN SALO
(Philly, NLH) (Tampa Bay, NHL)

PITKÄNEN RISTOLAINEN
(Carolina, NHL) (Buffalo, NHL)

VATANEN LYDMAN
(Anaheim, NHL) (Anaheim, NHL)

Rask (Boston Bruins)
Rinne (Nashville Predators)
Niemi (San Jose Sharks)

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07-20-2013, 08:38 AM
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So we're mostly talking about veterans who may not find it as easy to adjust as younger players. This does not increase my trust in our very old defense in particular.
On the other hand, most of those players are very smart and given their advanced age, their game is less about speed and more about sound positioning, a style for which big rink provides an even greater advantage. Also, most of them spend their off-seasons right here in Finland, so they train and have scrimmages in a big rink every year.

Of those you listed Timonen, Salo, Lydman and Koivu are ones I'm not worried about in the least. They're all very smart guys. Pitkänen and OJ might need some time adjusting, and while Teemu isn't dumb either, he's become a huge NHL style game proponent which may or may not cause complications.

Regardless, if three or so players out of a squad of twenty need time to adjust, it shouldn't be a biggie. Especially when there are squads present that may have up to 15 guys with the same problem.

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Rinne and Rask make the best goaltending tandem in the tournament?

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Interesting times indeed. Selänne should announce quite soon whether he is still playing or not as July is drawing near the end.

I hope to see Barkov, Vatanen and Kontiola make the final roster, maybe Armia too, depending on how he develops.

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Hey, I was just wondering: What is the health status on Bergenheim and Leino? Both missed most if not all of last season (?)... Anyways, I think they are great. Hope to see them playing on team Finland.

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NHL.com has three projected rosters out for Finland: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads

Overall not too bad, although they've forgotten that the Olympic rosters have been expanded by two players.

Miettinen, Hagman and Pesonen don't belong on this team IMO. Neither does Lehterä with his current showings. Immonen is debatable. None of them have Kontiola making the team, but if you're seriously considering Immonen or Lehterä, Kontiola should currently get picked over both of them. Only one lineup includes Leino.

My personal favorite version of the defense would be the 2nd one with Väänänen added as the 8th D. However, the 7th and 8th D will probably be Karalahti and Nummelin or some other veterans instead of Määttä and Ristolainen.



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Interesting times indeed. Selänne should announce quite soon whether he is still playing or not as July is drawing near the end.
I bet he's gonna play for 'one more year' and then we can all once again act really surprised he's not retiring.


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Hey, I was just wondering: What is the health status on Bergenheim and Leino? Both missed most if not all of last season (?)... Anyways, I think they are great. Hope to see them playing on team Finland.
At least Bergenheim should be good to go when the season starts, as far as I know. Not sure about Leino. I don't see why Bergenheim couldn't make the team as a 4th line winger if he's healthy. Leino's a bit more problematic, because at least right now it's hard to say where he'd fit.

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07-23-2013, 12:49 PM
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NHL.com has three projected rosters out for Finland: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads
Pakarinen has the best roster overall (which he should have, being a genuine Finn), but even he managed to somehow place Määttä into defense who is, frankly, a very long shot ATM. On the other hand: They do clarify that these are not what they think the final squads will be, but what they'd pick if they could. So if Pakarinen values Määttä over some veteran Euro names like Nummelin, Karalahti or such, I guess I'm cool with that. While I don't think he'll actually make it, I'd probably pick him over some of the camp roster candidates as well.

Masisak has the best defense. It's actually the very same I'm currently projecting to make it. Also, while his forward group contains some truly questionable names, it shows that he's at least tried to study our Euro pool. So kudos for that.

Kimelman's furthest out to sea. Looks like a typical North American beat writer who gets clueless after surefire NHLers run out, and resorts in eyeing the prospect lists. Also, somehow he manages to stuff Miettinen and Pulkkinen in, but leaves out Tuomo Ruutu. Like Sir Pena would say: Just get out of here while you still can.


Also, it's indeed pretty laughable that none of them included Kontiola. If we have just one KHL forward making it, it's got to be him ATM. (Or at least if we're talking about upper echelons. For grinders, there's of course Komarov.) It's hilarious actually. I've got him pegged as the top KHL dog for about two years in the running now, but he just doesn't make it to any of the projection lists these so-called professionals make, Finnish or foreign. Back in February, YLE didn't even consider him good enough to be a contender. Poor guy just can't get any love no matter what.

A big plus for all of them: While our defense is thin and you'll almost certainly have to try and figure out some European names who could make it, none suggested Kukkonen.


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Pakarinen has the best roster overall (which he should have, being a genuine Finn), but even he managed to somehow place Määttä into defense who is, frankly, a very long shot ATM. On the other hand: They do clarify that these are not what they think the final squads will be, but what they'd pick if they could. So if Pakarinen values Määttä over some veteran Euro names like Nummelin, Karalahti or such, I guess I'm cool with that. While I don't think he'll actually make it, I'd probably pick him over some of the camp roster candidates as well.

Masisak has the best defense. It's actually the very same I'm currently projecting to make it. Also, while his forward group contains some truly questionable names, it shows that he's at least tried to study our Euro pool. So kudos for that.

Kimelman's furthest out to sea. Looks like a typical North American beat writer who gets clueless after surefire NHLers run out, and resorts in eyeing the prospect lists. Also, somehow he manages to stuff Miettinen and Pulkkinen in, but leaves out Tuomo Ruutu. Like Sir Pena would say: Just get out of here while you still can.

A big plus for all of them: While our defense is thin and you'll almost certainly have to try and figure out some European names who could make it, none suggested Kukkonen.
The big problem I see with Määttä is that he's forced to play with kids if he can't play in the NHL. A team with a thinner blue line than the Pens may have given him a look this upcoming season, but with the Pens it's unlikely. I don't see how a player with so little experience from men's games could make the team. At least RR can play in the AHL and even try out in the NHL if he does well. I'm sure Erkka is keeping an eye on him just in case.

I didn't even notice Pulkkinen's name. Geez, even Armia would have been more justified, but Pulu?

I'm definitely going to to buy some nitros if Kukkonen goes to Sochi and Erkka's actually planning on letting him out there.

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The big problem I see with Määttä is that he's forced to play with kids if he can't play in the NHL. A team with a thinner blue line than the Pens may have given him a look this upcoming season, but with the Pens it's unlikely. I don't see how a player with so little experience from men's games could make the team. At least RR can play in the AHL and even try out in the NHL if he does well. I'm sure Erkka is keeping an eye on him just in case.

I didn't even notice Pulkkinen's name. Geez, even Armia would have been more justified, but Pulu?

I'm definitely going to to buy some nitros if Kukkonen goes to Sochi and Erkka's actually planning on letting him out there.
Pulkkinen already made the transition to NA rinks at Grand Rapids and before Detroit sent some player there (after getting eliminated from the playoffs), showed no problems adapting to the physicality and rink. See the Grand Rapids thread at Detroit's section here.

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The big problem I see with Määttä is that he's forced to play with kids if he can't play in the NHL. A team with a thinner blue line than the Pens may have given him a look this upcoming season, but with the Pens it's unlikely. I don't see how a player with so little experience from men's games could make the team. At least RR can play in the AHL and even try out in the NHL if he does well. I'm sure Erkka is keeping an eye on him just in case.
Yeah, like I said, it depends on the rules of the game we're playing. If the instructions are to predict the actual squad as accurately as you can using whatever expertise you have, then Määttä should have a snowflake's chance in hell to make any of the lists.

But if one is allowed to build whatever fantasy roster one likes after one's own preference... let's say that Määttä would still not make my cut (which ATM consists of Masisak's list + Järvinen), but would I pick him over the likes of Nummelin, Karalahti or Kukkonen? Yes, yes and yes.

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Filppula - M.Koivu - T. Ruutu
Granlund - S.Koivu - Selänne
Korpikoski - Kontiola - Pyörälä
Bergenheim - Barkov - Komarov

Timonen - Salo
Pitkänen - Lydman
Vatanen - Väänänen

Rask
Rinne

Although on paper Canada, Russia, Sweden and US are much better I still believe we will medal. We always find a way to gel as a team and play above the sum of our parts.

I predict medals:
Gold: Sweden
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Finland (beating a Canada that will give some effort but Finland will be going balls-to-the-walls in the bronze game still)

Of course if we managed to win gold I would break down and cry like a baby and after shaking for 10 to 15 minutes in a fetal position I'd get hammered like never before and head to THE TORI.

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Pulkkinen already made the transition to NA rinks at Grand Rapids and before Detroit sent some player there (after getting eliminated from the playoffs), showed no problems adapting to the physicality and rink. See the Grand Rapids thread at Detroit's section here.
I know he played some games, but the sample size is too small. I'm not saying he can't be a candidate as much as certain guys on the list once he gets going (God knows it didn't take much recent showings from some players to get on the list), but right now I don't even see him on the radar.

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I know he played some games, but the sample size is too small. I'm not saying he can't be a candidate as much as certain guys on the list once he gets going (God knows it didn't take much recent showings from some players to get on the list), but right now I don't even see him on the radar.
I'm not saying that the has a good chance either, simply that since he's already in NA and got positive reviews for that short stint, that he has a lead on Armia. Even if he puts up good stats in AHL next season, due to Red Wings free agent signings, he (or almost anyone at Grand Rapids for that matter) will have to rely on injuries to get a call-up.

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oj & leino

This in not provocation but i feel quite stunned how people welcomes OJ and Leino to team. Cmon one did -22!!!!!!! Rating last season in nhl and other has played hes last successful NHL game allmost 2years ago being mostly injured after that. Totally medal suicide material. If these 2 make it to team i would happily be wrong but oh my gosh this possibility freighters me hell uv a lot!

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