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07-07-2013, 02:20 PM
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I believe he was the GM starting in 2008/2009, the year previous this same core you speak of finished with 88 points.

2008/09 - 100pts
2009/10 - 103 pts
2010/11 - 117 pts
2011/12 - 111 pts
2012/13 - pro-rated to over 100
: Its called development. Players were too young when Burke/Nonis were fired.

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07-07-2013, 02:21 PM
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I believe he was the GM starting in 2008/2009, the year previous this same core you speak of finished with 88 points.

2008/09 - 100pts
2009/10 - 103 pts
2010/11 - 117 pts
2011/12 - 111 pts
2012/13 - pro-rated to over 100
If I am hiring a GM for the regular season and have all the pieces in place. Mike Gillis is easily the best GM in the league, we all know that.

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07-07-2013, 02:21 PM
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I've liked the general culture change to the organization he helped bring in. It seems like they've been at the forefront of finding new ways to improve such as the sleep specialist, and working with coach V on things like player usage. Most free agents and new players brought in also seem to talk about the team being a first-rate organization. He's also generally been very good at getting guys to resign to solid deals. However, I question his talent evaluation and some of the deals he's made, as well as some of the drafting. He also has seemed to lose face with the recent goalie issues, and like a lot of GMs he's probably too stubborn for his own good. I think he might be a better President than GM.

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07-07-2013, 02:23 PM
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Clearly points out that you yourself just unloads a heap of perceptions without any foundation.
The foundation is clearly there, actually. Simply watch a Mike Gillis interview or just listen to the way he speaks to reporters

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07-07-2013, 02:43 PM
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If I am hiring a GM for the regular season and have all the pieces in place. Mike Gillis is easily the best GM in the league, we all know that.
Why, he didn't wina cup. Burke came into Anahiem and won a cup with the pieces in place.

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07-07-2013, 03:36 PM
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Why, he didn't wina cup. Burke came into Anahiem and won a cup with the pieces in place.
He should have told Hamhuis not to hipcheck Lucic/told Raymond that digging in the corner could mean a broken neck/Ehrhoff to avoid McGinn/Kesler not to skate so hard that he tears his groin/Higgins that we have a goalie to stop shots/Edler to protect his hands at all costs.

You can't blame Gillis for failing to win that cup. It was amazing they got to game 7 after those injuries.

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07-07-2013, 03:39 PM
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He should have told Hamhuis not to hipcheck Lucic/told Raymond that digging in the corner could mean a broken neck/Ehrhoff to avoid McGinn/Kesler not to skate so hard that he tears his groin/Higgins that we have a goalie to stop shots/Edler to protect his hands at all costs.

You can't blame Gillis for failing to win that cup. It was amazing they got to game 7 after those injuries.
Cry me a river. We can all make excuses. Year after year Vancouver has failed with a very good core group of players. Injuries are part of the game, Canucks aren't any exception.

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I've liked the general culture change to the organization he helped bring in. It seems like they've been at the forefront of finding new ways to improve such as the sleep specialist, and working with coach V on things like player usage. Most free agents and new players brought in also seem to talk about the team being a first-rate organization. He's also generally been very good at getting guys to resign to solid deals. However, I question his talent evaluation and some of the deals he's made, as well as some of the drafting. He also has seemed to lose face with the recent goalie issues, and like a lot of GMs he's probably too stubborn for his own good. I think he might be a better President than GM.
Which draft/picks in particular do you have a problem with?

People bring up drafting a lot but I have yet to see it really quantified on a pick by pick basis. For example Nonis' wonderful 2007 draft picking Patrick White in the 1st round then Taylor Ellington shortly after.

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07-07-2013, 04:09 PM
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Top 10 GM in the league. Could have been top 5 if not for some trade mistakes. There is no evidence to suggest anything different. He has done everything except win a Cup since he was here. And the fact is only 4 teams have won a Cup in that time.

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Which draft/picks in particular do you have a problem with?

People bring up drafting a lot but I have yet to see it really quantified on a pick by pick basis. For example Nonis' wonderful 2007 draft picking Patrick White in the 1st round then Taylor Ellington shortly after.
I don't follow prospects and the draft as much as some around here so I may be a bit off, but in general there really hasn't been a lot to be excited about. It's not so much bad picks per se, but not a lot of exceeded expectations either. The team has been pretty good at picking up some undrafted and college free agents though which has helped.

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: Its called development. Players were too young when Burke/Nonis were fired.
Too young? Nonis was fired in May of 2008. Daniel and Henrik were 28 years old at the start of the 08/09 season when Gillis took over, they'd already put up multiple 70+ points seasons. Bieksa and Burrows were 27, Ohlund was 32, Salo was 33, Mitchell was 31, Kesler was 24, the core group of players were not too young.

In 2005/06 when Nonis took over the core group was Naslund 31, Bertuzzi 29, Morrison 29, Ohlund and Jovo 29, Salo 30, Henrik 25, Daniel 25, Linden was 35, again they were not "too young". In 05/06 they missed the playoffs, in 06/07 they made the second round because Luongo stood on his head and in 07/08 they again missed the playoffs. That's why Nonis was fired, great core very poor surrounding players.

As I stated before, some of that is the development of the players for Gillis. But to say they were too young for Nonis is absurd.

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07-07-2013, 04:47 PM
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If I am hiring a GM for the regular season and have all the pieces in place. Mike Gillis is easily the best GM in the league, we all know that.
In the past five years the Canucks have won five playoff rounds and competed in ten, how many have the Leafs won or competed in over the same time? Or every other team for that matter? Go ahead and list them, I'll wait. Let's see if the Canucks are in the top half or the bottom half.

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07-07-2013, 04:55 PM
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Cry me a river. We can all make excuses. Year after year Vancouver has failed with a very good core group of players. Injuries are part of the game, Canucks aren't any exception.
Year after year, the Canucks are contenders.

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07-07-2013, 05:06 PM
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Year after year, the Canucks are contenders.

Thank you.
Haven't been a contender in years.

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Haven't been a contender in years.
Your definition of years? Won the Presidents Trophy in 2011, again won the Presidents Trophy in 2012. Which was a year ago. Since when is the best regular season team not considered a contender for the Cup?

Because it's the Canucks right.

In 2011 the Penguins won their division, won the Eastern Conference with 106 points, yet they lost in the first round. I guess they weren't considered contenders that year either....right?

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Well if Gillis can win this new look division with LA, Anaheim and San Jose after this cluster F then yes, i'd call him a good GM.

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This question is too general. Is he a good GM of an established team? Yes. Is he a good GM for getting a team over the hump to win a Stanley Cup? Personally I say no. Is he a good GM to rebuild with? Again I'd say no. He hasn't won a cup, collected the pieces to win a cup or rebuild a team into a contender so. Can't see why you could argue he is a good all round GM.

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07-07-2013, 06:03 PM
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This question is too general. Is he a good GM of an established team? Yes. Is he a good GM for getting a team over the hump to win a Stanley Cup? Personally I say no. Is he a good GM to rebuild with? Again I'd say no. He hasn't won a cup, collected the pieces to win a cup or rebuild a team into a contender so. Can't see why you could argue he is a good all round GM.
I'm not sure how to even respond to this nonsense?

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07-07-2013, 06:06 PM
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Your definition of years? Won the Presidents Trophy in 2011, again won the Presidents Trophy in 2012. Which was a year ago. Since when is the best regular season team not considered a contender for the Cup?

Because it's the Canucks right.

In 2011 the Penguins won their division, won the Eastern Conference with 106 points, yet they lost in the first round. I guess they weren't considered contenders that year either....right?
LOL, Vancouver got to beat up on Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, and Calgary for the last 3 -4 years. That is impressive?

Get real.

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Haven't been a contender in years.
They won the Presidents trophy last season and the season before that.

And please don't bring up the devisional myth. They had a better record against the central.

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LOL, Vancouver got to beat up on Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, and Calgary for the last 3 -4 years. That is impressive?

Get real.
Umm they had a better record against the central. Why don't you list those teams too?

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Umm they had a better record against the central. Why don't you list those teams too?
Its easier to play other teams hard when you have such a soft schedule against your division.

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07-07-2013, 06:18 PM
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LOL, Vancouver got to beat up on Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, and Calgary for the last 3 -4 years. That is impressive?

Get real.
So they weren't considered a contender because of the 24 divisional games vs the 58 other games? I guess they had no chance even though they were a consensus top four team in the league by most NHL people in 2011. I should learn to listen to Leaf fans and all their wisdom more often.


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Its easier to play other teams hard when you have such a soft schedule against your division.
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Its easier to play other teams hard when you have such a soft schedule against your division.
Do you really believe this? If you play easy teams you are more likely to do better against elite teams...

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