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07-07-2013, 06:25 PM
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24th in the league, one place behind the rangers in his only full season behind the bench
Hmm.. I wonder why AV chose him as the guy to run it. Obviously they didn't have the talent the Rangers do now but idk, I guess we will see.

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Hmm.. I wonder why AV chose him as the guy to run it. Obviously they didn't have the talent the Rangers do now but idk, I guess we will see.
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When he had the personnel in Buffalo JUST as a PP coach, he did fine. Top 5/10 in the league iirc.

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29th and 24th in the league, both years featuring Rick Nash on the top unit. Some specialist. I guess they know something we dont
Nash is not Crosby, do you really think one guy like him can make the PP?

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Well the only talent CBJ did have was Nash. So hopefully with Nash, Stepan, Callahan, Richards, Brassard, MZA, they can be in the top 15 PP.

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Well the only talent CBJ did have was Nash. So hopefully with Nash, Stepan, Callahan, Richards, Brassard, MZA, they can be in the top 15 PP.
Get us in the top half of the league on the PP and I won't complain. 18%+.

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Get us in the top half of the league on the PP and I won't complain. 18%+.
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Get us a powerplay that isn't harmful to the eyes and I won't complain

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I want a Rangers PowerPlay without the Benny Hill tune

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When he had the personnel in Buffalo JUST as a PP coach, he did fine. Top 5/10 in the league iirc.
You guys need to read this post again.

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29th and 24th in the league, both years featuring Rick Nash on the top unit. Some specialist. I guess they know something we dont
To expand, here's an article dissecting Arniel's PP in Columbus:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...225&mode=print

The following quotes from the article worry me a bit:

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While players like Kristian Huselius and Derick Brassard have seen an uptick in their power play rates, the once passable-to-good rates of ex-Senator Antoine Vermette and team captain/franchise player Rick Nash have plummeted.
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In Nash's case, his utilization has changed. Under Hitchcock, he frequently scored from in front of the net and from sharp angles near the goal line to the right of the net. Under Arniel, Nash was frequently utilized on the half-wall, to diminished effect. That's coaching, and the blame is ultimately on the head coach, whether special teams are delegated to assistants or not.
Arniel will have to adjust. Nash was also used along the half boards at times this past year and it wasn't very effective.

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07-10-2013, 08:38 AM
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I am still in the middle on Alain Vigneault. I am one of those guys who believed that Tortorella could have helped us win the Cup. But then again, I believe some things were in need of change whether it was his fault or not, and thus I am happy to have brought in one of the best coaches in the last few seasons. I think he is everything I wanted in a coach but we shall see how he actually fits in... Honestly, dont have to high of expectations for this year and no where near the hope I had when Torts first arrived. But it will be exciting...

Like for starters, this thread.
Three assistant coaches. 2 assistant behind the bench coaches and 1 in the suite boxes viewing like a hawk. I got to admit I like it a lot. I love the idea, and so far the picks for the jobs were solid. But idk how GREAT they were...


Ulf Samuelsson.
Ex-NHL Player, as we all know, ex Ranger player. Won 2 Stanley Cups known as one tough SOB in a very tough era of hockey. Became an assistant coach at a kids team and worked his way up into the AHL. I am sure that was not to hard for him and I am sure many head coaches loved him.

With the Wolf Pack, Ulf managed take over a great position working for a great AHL coach with some great talent. But no further info there. Will try to see how he managed the team and how it was effective. He then became assistant coach under Wayne Gretzky in Phoenix. Under Gretzky, Ulf I believe had similar duties to what he has now. And the shots against, the PK and overall defense was pretty bad. One of worst consistently.

It was not until Gretzky quit and Tippet took over that the entire Coyotes were revamped and became an overall better team. Ulf in his 1.5 years experienced a much better defensive team and PKillling team. He then went to coach in Sweden, MODO. A once successful club and program was crashing hard and Ulf got his shot at head coach. In his first year he almost brought them to the division 2, fortunately they won the relegation game and kept in the top flight. The second year he took the team to 8th seed, made the playoffs and lost in the qtr finals. Idk why he left but now I think it was for this assistant coaching job with the Rangers where he will serve as assistant coach, work with the defense and PK.

Overall, I love the guys resume. He is liked by many different head coaches, some of the biggest names. He is not only an ex-nhl player and will be a great tutor for this players now but he was also a Ranger at one point and knows how to win. This roster will eat this up and learn a ton just from that alone. I dk how to judge an assistant coach much except that you look at the team stats of what he controls. Like Sullivan, not so good with the PP lol.

Ulf, I am sure hes had his rough patches but overall taking over this def corps and dynamic forward groups for special teams should be a bit easier than most teams hes been around. A bit. Learning from Gretzky era, Tippet era, having AHL and youth experience, having been a successful NY hockey player and a tough one at that and having coaching and playing experience in Europe (being Swedish) is something I TRULY LOVE about this signing. But questions arise to see if he can do it in NY.





Scott Arniel
Also once an NHL player, but once retiring he quickly made a name for himself as a coach. He moved up the latter quickly working alongside Lindy Ruff. He then became head coach of the Moose, and worked with AV as he took over the Canucks position. Under his coaching, the Moose were an elite team and it seemed as though the entire organization fit well with one another. Having made the playoffs several years in a row, and losing in the Calder Final. Seems exactly like the Vancouver Canucks in NHL terms during those years.

Then took over the Columbus Blue Jackets. A team not so packed with talent or depth. But he coached Brassard, Moore, Nash and Dorsett during this time. He had drama with Brassard, as Brass was a 6th round pick and was shown limited playing time. When his playing time did come, it was usually on the 4th line. When given proper minutes and on the top 6, Brass showed a lot of promise but for some reasons he would change that consistently. Brassards agent lashed out in the media saying Arniel was using Brass as a scapegoat for the team. With or without Brassard the team was one of the worst during his time. Though I will mind you that the team stats under Arniel were not to shabby. I believe he posted a good amount of shots a game and the team did improve its quality of play. But with no depth, some injuries, and lack of talent in goaltending, defense and offse... there wasnt much use. He was fired and then took over the MOOSE (now in chicago) where they missed the playoffs.

So a lot of useless drama, and I wonder how he and Brass (a now fan favorite and upcoming young star) can co-exist especially since Scott is running the offense and PP. I like to believe that Arniel had no issues with Brassard personally and like Torts did with Kreider he simply wanted to play him but did not trust him in many situations. Sadly, these players are not bottom 6 guys and hopefully Arniel and most importantly AV will realize this.

I also like to believe that Brassard and Kreider are both more mature of players and people. I like to think both Brassard and Arniel learned and grew from those years. I hope that AV will thump any form of issues like that and help fix any broken relations. And I hope the other 2 assistant coaches know how to make this team into a family, if 1 is out of line or seems to be strict or forceful.


I really like the idea that is going on here... just, theres a lot of questions which I guess is the fun part of watching sports

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07-10-2013, 08:47 AM
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Newell Brown is still up in the air as the third coach.

Reminder, this third coach will be in the stands or in the suites watching from above. I really like this idea. But once again, have complications with the one chosen.

I guess, we cant choose someone perfect.

Brown is also an NHL player. So you can see what they are going for here... which is fine by me in many ways.

He took over NCAA coaching jobs for Michigan (assistant) and the Huskies (head). Cant say I am too impressed with his records. But something about him landed him a job in the AHL. I guess, NHL experience and NCAA coaching experience alongside a great view on stats.

It seems like hes a big hockey analyst in many aspects of the game. From what I see, pretty innovative stats he has been the headman in analyzing and discussing if not created.

As AHL coach though he was up and down .500. Not bad though, some solid years for the Red Wings.

In the last 15 years he has served as assistant coach for various of teams and some successful ones.

I believe he is just a much more ideal assistant coach then head coach. It looks to me as though his best trait is the numbers game. He sees the game differently.

For example, he is the one who stated the high % of PP efficiency when it comes to having 3 Left shots and 2 righties on the same line or vise versa or something like that.

So having his experience and his mind for numbers in the suite box to view these things like no one else can could be a great advantage.

In many ways, I am not to crazy about the guy due to his coaching record and his lack of head coaching experience but this can be a good thing. Seems like the guy knows exactly what he is good at.

So we shall see what we do with him.

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07-10-2013, 08:51 AM
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Hmm.. I wonder why AV chose him as the guy to run it. Obviously they didn't have the talent the Rangers do now but idk, I guess we will see.
They chose him because of his playing experience, his youth experience, his AHL experience and his NHL coaching experiences both at PP, head and assistant,.

Though Columbus was often the bottom of the league in everything, they were average in shots for, an improved goals for, and an improved PP% from the years prior. The issue was talent and depth in all aspect of hockey.

They lost games because they gave up more than they scored. But statistically speaking, Arniel offensively was quite solid.

AV i bet likes how they work together since they have experience for years with one another

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They chose him because of his playing experience, his youth experience, his AHL experience and his NHL coaching experiences both at PP, head and assistant,.

Though Columbus was often the bottom of the league in everything, they were average in shots for, an improved goals for, and an improved PP% from the years prior. The issue was talent and depth in all aspect of hockey.

They lost games because they gave up more than they scored. But statistically speaking, Arniel offensively was quite solid.

AV i bet likes how they work together since they have experience for years with one another
I dont like the fact that Arniel and Brassard butted heads in Columbus. Seems like a needless distraction.

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Newell Brown ended up in PHX

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#Coyotes have hired Newell Brown to join coaching staff. Will act as assistant coach, replacing John Anderson who will not return.
https://twitter.com/azc_mclellan/sta...28655782625281

He wasn't joining the Rangers with Arniel and Samuelsson on board.

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Vigneault is planning to hire a 3rd assistant who will be the eye in the sky,assist the staff with game planning and help individual players with their skill development during practice. Vigneault has some guys in mind. So does Sather.

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Vigneault is planning to hire a 3rd assistant who will be the eye in the sky,assist the staff with game planning and help individual players with their skill development during practice. Vigneault has some guys in mind. So does Sather.
Fining that eye in the sky has really become a project. The Alain Vigneault Project.

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Vigneault is planning to hire a 3rd assistant who will be the eye in the sky,assist the staff with game planning and help individual players with their skill development during practice. Vigneault has some guys in mind. So does Sather.
Too bad Messier quit, he had a lot of experience sitting in the suite watching games

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Pissed at losing Brown, he would have been better than Arniel as a PP coach. Plus there is the Brass pow wow.

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Pissed at losing Brown, he would have been better than Arniel as a PP coach. Plus there is the Brass pow wow.
Yeah, I'm not understanding how we (and perhaps even AV?) wound up with Arniel instead of Brown. Brown seemed like a no-brainer, and Arniel brings question marks and potential issues.

Strange.

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Brown's PP tactics were pretty poor this season. He wanted to try new things, but AV didn't let him. It's possible their relationship fell out a bit and he liked Arniel more.

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Brown's PP tactics were pretty poor this season. He wanted to try new things, but AV didn't let him. It's possible their relationship fell out a bit and he liked Arniel more.
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How long does it take to hire an "eye in the sky"?

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