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07-07-2013, 05:49 PM
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I'm not naming names but a lot of irrelevant crap has been posted on this thread. Fortunately, it was in cyberspace and not on paper, so no trees had to be chopped down. There's only one pertinent point: Was the trade of Lefebvre + a 7th for Parros favorable to the Habs? I do. If anyone thinks it wasn't, please state your reasons and refrain from mentioning Briere, O'Byrne, Desharnais, Gionta, etc.
We'll see with the level of play Parros can give. Last season he seemed to be less effective, but since it look like it was an anomaly, I'm confident. For sure it would have been even better without the draft pick involved, but still I think it will be a good minor move, in the end.

Something to add, Parros is a very intelligent guy too, on and off the ice.

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... Prust "survived" Mcclaren you mean

As for the rest yea it's not that bad
Survived? McLaren is not that imposing of a player. Prust is a great fighter, just not big.

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Prust parros moen could all take clarkson. White and tinordi would also give him a run 99.9 is wrong
Moen is a bad fighter and hasn't dropped anyone in a long time. His fights tend to result in draws.

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Dont forget our new offensive dynamo Daniel " caracter" briere
He is the reason Parros is in Montreal, watch.

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Moen is a bad fighter and hasn't dropped anyone in a long time. His fights tend to result in draws.
Yeah so long ago, like may 5 against Chris Neil...

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yea..still drops 99.9% of our players
Not sure where you figure that. Clarkson is a decent middle weight. Guys like White Tinordi Prust and Moen can take him.

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Moen is a bad fighter and hasn't dropped anyone in a long time. His fights tend to result in draws.
When he fights guys to a draw they are usually pretty tough guys. If Moen is the 3rd best fighter on our team we're fine in that aspect.

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Yeah so long ago, like may 5 against Chris Neil...
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/117540

That didn't seem like a win to me...a draw at best, and most voters consider it a loss.

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That didn't seem like a win to me...a draw at best, and most voters consider it a loss.
I never said he won, you said he didn't dropped against anyone for a while which is false.

He also won against Crombeen and Campbell this season...

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He's adapting well.

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When he fights guys to a draw they are usually pretty tough guys. If Moen is the 3rd best fighter on our team we're fine in that aspect.
What he does is hold on and twirl a lot. Unimpressive and a sign he can't handle so-called "big boys". Moen's value to this team is defense and PK'ing, not fighting.

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I never said he won, you said he didn't dropped against anyone for a while which is false.

He also won against Crombeen and Campbell this season...
Well, I don't see an "against" anywhere in my post.

"Dropped anyone" has a much different meaning from "dropped them against anyone". The former refers to knocking someone down. The latter refers to the act of dropping something, which in this case are his gloves.

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That didn't seem like a win to me...a draw at best, and most voters consider it a loss.
Wow! Bad memories!!! LA HONTE!! Losing all 5 fights ...

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Basically we didn't want to resign Lefebve, so we did traded our 7th round to FLD for their 7th round next year thus gaving back their draft pick and Lefebve for Parros.

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We'll see with the level of play Parros can give. Last season he seemed to be less effective, but since it look like it was an anomaly, I'm confident. For sure it would have been even better without the draft pick involved, but still I think it will be a good minor move, in the end.

Something to add, Parros is a very intelligent guy too, on and off the ice.
Wow someone smart enough to understand, smart habs fans are rare nowadays, honestly !

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I'm not naming names but a lot of irrelevant crap has been posted on this thread. Fortunately, it was in cyberspace and not on paper, so no trees had to be chopped down. There's only one pertinent point: Was the trade of Lefebvre + a 7th for Parros favorable to the Habs? I do. If anyone thinks it wasn't, please state your reasons and refrain from mentioning Briere, O'Byrne, Desharnais, Gionta, etc.
First let me state that this is a very very minor and inconsequential move.

Second, enforcers have a limited shelf life. You don't see too many 40 year old ones. At 33, Parros has just about reached the end of the line for an enforcer. I don't have a problem with getting one, but I don't see much usefulness in an enforcer that is over the hill, not as hungry, and probably not scaring too many people. For me, enforcers need to either be really scary dudes OR be able to play on a 4th line without looking completely terrible. I don't think Parros is either of those things.

At best Parros will be a punching bag and will save Prust a few headaches.

Personally, I am 100% against staged fights between enforcers. I find them meaningless and boring. They are also bound to disappear in the next 10-15 years. The league will have a bunch of lawsuits on its hands if they don't crack down on it in some way. But.. while they are there, I think an enforcer can be useful. But I don't know if punching bags really are.

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It's a great pick up because the Habs have been pushed around for a long time and Prust, although he tried hard, was done by the playoffs because we didn't have any toughness.

He instantly neutralizes the Orr's, Thornton's and other designated heavyweights that ran roughshod over the Habs lately. Prust can handle the second tier guys, and Moen/White also can pitch in... Still need a guy like Ryan Malone to add size and toughness in the top 9 though.

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What he does is hold on and twirl a lot. Unimpressive and a sign he can't handle so-called "big boys". Moen's value to this team is defense and PK'ing, not fighting.
Thornton does the sane thing and some have him as a great enforcer.

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Thornton does the sane thing and some have him as a great enforcer.
Thornton fights more often. Thornton also has some real wins on his fight card recently against guys like Mike Rupp and Jon Erskine. Where Thornton fails is against heavyweights like Orr or John Scott.

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Thank you. IMHO it depends on whether Parros can skate and check well enough to take a regular shift. This fantasy that he'll sit in the press box, then sit on the bench, then finally go out to beat up Lucic or McLaren, is ridiculous.
I don't think this trade really has too much downside. He provides someone big to stand up for his teammates and neutralize most teams. He will probably make the 4th line worse but it's a tradeoff for toughness. However I agree that to expect him to come in and be able to counter teams like Boston/Toronto/Ottawa is very unrealistic because a) he has declined as a fighter and b) the entire team is still pretty soft. He can't come in and all of a sudden make the Habs so much tougher to come up against, just like nobody thought the Panthers were tough to play against just because they had Parros. Dropyourgloves only had Parros winning 1 fight last season and it was against Nick Grossmann who is a non fighter so that's a bit worrying.

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Thornton fights more often. Thornton also has some real wins on his fight card recently against guys like Mike Rupp and Jon Erskine. Where Thornton fails is against heavyweights like Orr or John Scott.
...and Parros is a heavyweight, go look at his fights against Boogard Scott Orr etc.

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I don't think this trade really has too much downside. He provides someone big to stand up for his teammates and neutralize most teams. He will probably make the 4th line worse but it's a tradeoff for toughness. However I agree that to expect him to come in and be able to counter teams like Boston/Toronto/Ottawa is very unrealistic because a) he has declined as a fighter and b) the entire team is still pretty soft. He can't come in and all of a sudden make the Habs so much tougher to come up against, just like nobody thought the Panthers were tough to play against just because they had Parros. Dropyourgloves only had Parros winning 1 fight last season and it was against Nick Grossmann who is a non fighter so that's a bit worrying.
and 1 year before, only 2 loss in 11 fights. Bad year happen, maybe he will bounce back.


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People need to watch the fights, Parros is clearly still an elite heavyweight.

Even in one of his "losses" he KO'd John Scott. John Scott is the biggest heavyweight in the league, and Parros fought him twice last year in two great tilts, and knocked him out in one of them.

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First let me state that this is a very very minor and inconsequential move.

Second, enforcers have a limited shelf life. You don't see too many 40 year old ones. At 33, Parros has just about reached the end of the line for an enforcer. I don't have a problem with getting one, but I don't see much usefulness in an enforcer that is over the hill, not as hungry, and probably not scaring too many people. For me, enforcers need to either be really scary dudes OR be able to play on a 4th line without looking completely terrible. I don't think Parros is either of those things.

At best Parros will be a punching bag and will save Prust a few headaches.

Personally, I am 100% against staged fights between enforcers. I find them meaningless and boring. They are also bound to disappear in the next 10-15 years. The league will have a bunch of lawsuits on its hands if they don't crack down on it in some way. But.. while they are there, I think an enforcer can be useful. But I don't know if punching bags really are.
Totally agree.

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People need to watch the fights, Parros is clearly still an elite heavyweight.

Even in one of his "losses" he KO'd John Scott. John Scott is the biggest heavyweight in the league, and Parros fought him twice last year in two great tilts, and knocked him out in one of them.
He did not KO Scott. He did very well in both fights though.

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People need to watch the fights, Parros is clearly still an elite heavyweight.

Even in one of his "losses" he KO'd John Scott. John Scott is the biggest heavyweight in the league, and Parros fought him twice last year in two great tilts, and knocked him out in one of them.
No he didn't...

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