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07-08-2013, 02:12 PM
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If you read the entire post, its what I just did. And when we analyse habs contracts around here, we always compare them to other contracts, because it is an indication if the contract is good or not. Why you insist that we not take that into account solely to bash the Brière contract, I don't understand.
You are right in a sense. We do compare to the market.

But the point here is: does any undersized aging/declining forward with recent injury history got more than Briere? Does any other team take him for 2 years at 4M per? Could we (hypothetically) trade Briere for something valuable now? It's simply no, no and no.

The fact that different teams signed ridiculous contracts for completely different players a few days later has little to do with it.

And I'm not saying it has nothing to do, agreed. The market is crazy, OK. Just don't overpay for something you don't need and it's already a better move.

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07-08-2013, 02:17 PM
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Apparently he got offered more else where so I don't get that last point

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07-08-2013, 02:38 PM
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Apparently he got offered more else where so I don't get that last point
TSN guys had said, he did turn down a bigger offer, from Nashville, I think?

Anyhow, days later, overall not a bad pickup, he will have alot to prove and should score some goals this season...I wasn't crazy about the deal at the time, but I think this one will work out guys...

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07-08-2013, 02:38 PM
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No matter how you slice it:

- Galchenyuk
- Briere
- Eller

is an incredible shootout-three.

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07-08-2013, 02:53 PM
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You are right in a sense. We do compare to the market.

But the point here is: does any undersized aging/declining forward with recent injury history got more than Briere? Does any other team take him for 2 years at 4M per? Could we (hypothetically) trade Briere for something valuable now? It's simply no, no and no.

The fact that different teams signed ridiculous contracts for completely different players a few days later has little to do with it.

And I'm not saying it has nothing to do, agreed. The market is crazy, OK. Just don't overpay for something you don't need and it's already a better move.
I understand your point, and I was not pleased with the signing at first because I do think we need a big, gritty winger that can play top 6. But the only one available was Clarkson and I am really happy that we didn't get screwed giving him the type of contract Toronto gave him. Our only other option is to acquire one via trade, and the Ryan deal shows that we would have to send something like Beaulieu, Collberg and a 1st for it. Not worth it in my opinion.

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07-08-2013, 02:57 PM
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I'm indifferent. He's still a good player, brings experience and some leadership... french canadian, which will alleviate some fan tension towards the team...

On the other hand, he's just not what this team needs right now.

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07-08-2013, 03:01 PM
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No matter how you slice it:

- Galchenyuk
- Briere
- Eller

is an incredible shootout-three.
I hadn't actually thought about his shootout contributions. That looks good for a few extra points in that regard.

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07-08-2013, 03:03 PM
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No matter how you slice it:

- Galchenyuk
- Briere
- Eller

is an incredible shootout-three.
.. but you know MT will use Gionta, Plekanec and Pacioretty first though right?

We've been so bad in the shootout the past couple years.

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07-08-2013, 03:05 PM
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.. but you know MT will use Gionta, Plekanec and Pacioretty first though right?

We've been so bad in the shootout the past couple years.
remember when we all thought bouillon was heading into the shoot out?


Good times.

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07-08-2013, 03:56 PM
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Apparently he got offered more else where so I don't get that last point
Maybe it is so. But it could also be PR bull**** for all we know. They all turn down better offers because they really want to go to team X that is actually offering that crazy contract.

Even then, let's say NSH offered more money. Does the move make more sense for us?

Would you call buying a 15 years old Toyota for 100k a good move because ONE other guy was ready to dish out 110k for the same car?

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Maybe it is so. But it could also be PR bull**** for all we know. They all turn down better offers because they really want to go to team X that is actually offering that crazy contract.

Even then, let's say NSH offered more money. Does the move make more sense for us?

Would you call buying a 15 years old Toyota for 100k a good move because ONE other guy was ready to dish out 110k for the same car?
No (assuming you mean crappy Toyota), but in that example briere would need to be making around 10m a season

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I understand your point, and I was not pleased with the signing at first because I do think we need a big, gritty winger that can play top 6. But the only one available was Clarkson and I am really happy that we didn't get screwed giving him the type of contract Toronto gave him. Our only other option is to acquire one via trade, and the Ryan deal shows that we would have to send something like Beaulieu, Collberg and a 1st for it. Not worth it in my opinion.
Not sure this package is worth Silfverberg, Noesen and a 1st, to be honest. Beaulieu has proven very little at the NHL level and Collberg hasn't really played hockey in NA. At least, Sifverberg showed a few interesting things in the NHL.

If I'm the Habs, I'm more than happy to make the trade. We lose an undersized winger prospect and a young PMD with questions marks, two things we have in excess. And we add a very sorely missing piece with Ryan.

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07-08-2013, 04:55 PM
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No (assuming you mean crappy Toyota), but in that example briere would need to be making around 10m a season
I'm just exagerrating a little bit in order to make my point...

Cut the numbers by 2.5 (10M/4M) if you want to, my example still works anyway. 40k for an old Toyota... no thanks.

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07-08-2013, 05:00 PM
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Well, I expect him to get 40-45 points (prorated) with not-necessarily optimal icetime.

So... yeah, but expectations aren't that high.

I still hate Briere.

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No matter how you slice it:

- Galchenyuk
- Briere
- Eller

is an incredible shootout-three.
Silver lining.

But that goes away in the playoffs...

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07-08-2013, 06:24 PM
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Silver lining.

But that goes away in the playoffs...
Briere is a ppg in playoff and I don't expect him to lower his production this year.

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07-08-2013, 06:39 PM
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there are two possible scenarios:
Make the playoffs with a ppg playoff player
or
Trade him at 2014 or 2015 trade deadline for prospect / picks

Both are winning situations

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remember when we all thought bouillon was heading into the shoot out?


Good times.
Ah those were the days..

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07-08-2013, 08:47 PM
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voted yes.. 2 year deal gives time for our youngsters to develop.. then they can explode on the scene..

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No. We have enough ineffective short players in our top 9. We will be losing one and now add this floater because of his last name being French.

We absolutely do NOT need Danielle. Easily Bergevin's worst move to date as a GM IMO.

More size and toughness in the top 9 required. And definitely more on the blueline.

We were manhandled by everyone that chose to do so last year. The Ottawa loss was embarrassing. And we get smaller up front?

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there are two possible scenarios:
Make the playoffs with a ppg playoff player
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Trade him at 2014 or 2015 trade deadline for prospect / picks

Both are winning situations
Can't do that since Bergevin gave him a ****in NMC to make that deal even worse.

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Like Whitesnake said earlier... Briere isn't the problem. The current strucutre of our team is. That being said, Eller, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty and Bourque are NOT small/soft. Sure, ideally, Gionta would be switched by a complete two-way winger with size, and who is physical. But Briere can bring something we also lacked big time in the playoffs: Scoring.

Where I have a problem accepting our current lineup is on D. Too small and too weak as a unit. Tinordi MUST be starting in the NHL, and we must add another big D on top of him. Easier said than done... I hoped for Doug Murray as a temporary solution... Hopefully a guy like Pateryn improves a LOT and surprises everyone at camp. Tinordi, Pateryn, Emelin... that's a nice start.

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Briere is a ppg in playoff and I don't expect him to lower his production this year.
Why wouldn't you?

He's older, slower and now plays with a bunch of smurfs. Totally different than playing with Philly dude.

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Why wouldn't you?

He's older, slower and now plays with a bunch of smurfs. Totally different than playing with Philly dude.
Who says playing a high-tempo, puck-possession game with GREAT PP QBs in Markov and Subban won't help him, and fit his style more than playing with big, meat & potatoes, dump and chase guys in Philly did?

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Who says playing a high-tempo, puck-possession game with GREAT PP QBs in Markov and Subban won't help him, and fit his style more than playing with big, meat & potatoes, dump and chase guys in Philly did?
I'm sure his PP production will benefit playing with us...

But that wasn't exactly our big need, nor was he the best option out there if pp benefiting forwards was our target

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