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[TOR] Mikhail Grabovski

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07-08-2013, 06:31 PM
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Hit the breaks... You guaranteed me that Grabo wasn't talking to several NHL teams. (There was a Toronto Star report saying he was about 20min ago...so which source is more credible, you or his agent?).. Also, it was the same rap with Semin, only worse ie. bad attitude, inconsistent, negative reaction from former teammates (Brouwer) in the press... Mr. Semin, patiently weighed his options, then made a decision in time and got a nice contract. Same will happen for Grabo...
I am not trying to be witty, I am using pure logic. I said that you cannot guarantee anything unless you can for see the future. Just because you have a list of reasons (which is bias) to support your speculation, doesn't mean you are correct, hence you cannot guarantee anything. So either you don't understand the definition of the word, or you think you can see the future? So you cannot further guarantee me that Clarkson will outscore Grabo. You are entitled to speculate, as am I, which is why we now have a bet going, but no guarantees.

Also, note that Clarkson has made off with one good year statistically. Being a Kovy fan I have seen plenty of Clarkson... Look at Clarksons big year (thats being generous for 46 points) - he was getting powerplay time on a very fruitful power play which featured Parise and Kovalchuk... Look what happened this year, Kovy slumped, no Parise and already a dip in production for Clarkson. He will fit Carlyle's system better than Grabo, but Grabo has hit 20g already 3 x and Clarkson only once. Every player has that big year where they land with the right guys and things are clicking for them, I think that year already happened for Clarkson, I just don't see it happening again... So bets on. Better hope Caps don't pick up Grabo and put him on the PP, but if he goes to Winterpeg I'm about screwed
Do you even read the ridicules comments you post? You first post that theres a bidding war for grabo which definitely isnt the case, even if the agent said that (Which he didnt) it would just be a ploy to drive up his contract value. Then you go on to say my reasons are biased? Every single one of the things I said pertaining to grabos play style are true. Then you go on to talk about clarkson? I think its you who needs to slow down. The guy scored 15 in 48 games, having him come in to score 20 a year with kadri is pretty likely and he will fit well in toronto. Ill be happy for whatever team signs grabo, so that the leafs can crush him when it happens. You know an argument is week when you constantly have to go on tangents and talk about others players/factors in order to suport your underline claim.
All the things I said:
Grabo isnt a number 1 c: obviously
grabo isnt a number 3 c or shutdown: obvious (-10 in boston series prime example)
he gets smoked all the time: obvious, thats terrible for your bodys physiology
those comments he made: hurts his stock, prime example, seiguin and his tweets.

So lets summarize, hes not a 1c so hes not going to get over or anywhere near 4.5 +, his shutdown capabilities are shaky, hes selfish, this season he actualy statistically brought the offense of others down (in contrast to having the other players moved to different lines) he will not play stop go hockey for you, and there is no evidence to suggest that he is worth 2c money because he hasnt produced offensively in a non run and gun environment, it didnt happen in montreal, it didnt happen until wilsons run and gun system in toronto, and it certainly didnt happen under rc, but yeah you're right, theres clearly a bidding war for him. If it took roy (a great 2c comparable) awhile to get signed as his value wasnt really that high coming out of vancouver, to say that there would be a bidding war for grabo is just ridicules.

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Yet Dave Bolland is the saviour who had an equally poor year, playing with Patrick Kane for a big portion of it.
Bolland has intangibles don't ya know!

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Yes, the Caps can afford him. Caps went after Lecavalier. If they went after Lecavalier, then they can afford Grabovski. McPhee is content with his current lineup because that is what owner Ted Leonsis wants. Caps are not going for the Cup. The owner just wants make the most money and not spend anymore, as he emphasizes his focus on his basketball team.
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Do you even read the ridicules comments you post?

to say that there would be a bidding war for grabo is just ridicules.

I don't think it's ridicules to think Grabo is getting bid on. He's no Herculous, but he's still a good 2c!

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07-08-2013, 07:22 PM
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I don't think it's ridicules to think Grabo is getting bid on. He's no Herculous, but he's still a good 2c!
theres a difference between some1 giving him a bid, and having a bidding war (Which definitely is not happening) which he claimed

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theres a difference between some1 giving him a bid, and having a bidding war (Which definitely is not happening) which he claimed
Don't mind Doc. He's just ridiculousing your spelling.

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07-08-2013, 07:50 PM
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Yet Dave Bolland is the saviour who had an equally poor year, playing with Patrick Kane for a big portion of it.
Bolland isnt a savior. Far from it.
But he makes 2m less a season and is better as a defensive/shutdown 3rd line center.

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not quite...

grabo was used as a 3rd/4th liner which he most definitely is not. He needs a top 6 role to be efficient and useful.
and maybe stop being a selfish greedy player

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Bolland is definitely not as good as Grabo if that's what Leaf fans are thinking. He was pretty awful this year despite playing on a line whenever he was healthy with the leading scorer in the Western Conference. Not just point totals either, his advanced numbers were terrible. May have just been a bad year and he can rebound to a top 3rd line center again but he is definitely not as good as Grabo.

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Bolland is definitely not as good as Grabo if that's what Leaf fans are thinking. He was pretty awful this year despite playing on a line whenever he was healthy with the leading scorer in the Western Conference. Not just point totals either, his advanced numbers were terrible. May have just been a bad year and he can rebound to a top 3rd line center again but he is definitely not as good as Grabo.
Hes better as a #3C than Grabo is. Thats why we got him.

Its all about how many points and goals players score, players cant contribute to anything else.

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Hes better as a #3C than Grabo is. Thats why we got him.

Its all about how many points and goals players score, players cant contribute to anything else.
I even said "not just point totals either". Bolland wasn't a good 3C last year either. The only place he was good was 4C with Kruger and Frolik when he got moved there in the Playoffs. For instance, Bolland was -7 last year on a team that was 1st in GA and 2nd in GF on the season. The only other Hawks to post a minus rating were Brandon Bollig at -1 (extra forward, 25 games), Sheldon Brookbank at -2 (7th defenseman, 26 games) and Drew LeBlanc at -3 (played college hockey last year, 2 games).

He wasn't much better in the Playoffs (although he had a good SCF and obviously scored the big goal). A year ago not a single Hawk fan would have said get rid of Bolland to keep Bickell.. now few disagree with that decision. I hope he rebounds since he was one of my favorite Hawks but to say he was better than Grabovski last year is wrong.

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07-08-2013, 09:19 PM
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Just because Caps' McPhee said Laich is the 2C and that he wasn't interested in these FAs, doesn't mean he's out.

McPhee never speaks the entire truth to media. This isn't me being optimistic and hoping they sign him, this is me basing it off his past.

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07-08-2013, 09:40 PM
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its just how the leafs role

no , every team does it and I think its done to justify the move that is made
It's cognitive dissonance, most fans need to justify the move that occurred as improving the team in some way.

Also not all fans have turned on Grabo, many do wish he was kept. For the most part the ones that have/did turn are the ones still posting in this thread.

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theres a difference between some1 giving him a bid, and having a bidding war (Which definitely is not happening) which he claimed
Only takes two to have a bidding war, and I would be very surprised if there weren't at least 3-4 teams with serious interest - lots of teams are looking for depth at C.

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leafs already have a top6 which he doesnt fit into especially for 5.5

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I don't think it's ridicules to think Grabo is getting bid on. He's no Herculous, but he's still a good 2c!
I see what you did there.

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Only takes two to have a bidding war, and I would be very surprised if there weren't at least 3-4 teams with serious interest - lots of teams are looking for depth at C.
nah, its unlikely

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nah, its unlikely
Oh ok...hey everybody, take this guys word!

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Just because Caps' McPhee said Laich is the 2C and that he wasn't interested in these FAs, doesn't mean he's out.

McPhee never speaks the entire truth to media. This isn't me being optimistic and hoping they sign him, this is me basing it off his past.
I hope he is dumb enough to go in with Laich as the #2 C. I think signing Grabovski would be a good move for them, so hopefully they don't do it. I think they should have kept Ribeiro though, he was quite good last year.

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I hope he is dumb enough to go in with Laich as the #2 C. I think signing Grabovski would be a good move for them, so hopefully they don't do it. I think they should have kept Ribeiro though, he was quite good last year.
I agree, Grabo to Washington could be scary.

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Oh ok...hey everybody, take this guys word!
Id take common sense over internet tough guy any day, but thats just me

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I love how desperate some Leaf fans are to defend this buyout. I mean, it's done, they chose Bozak, but don't try to act like somehow you kept the better player. Tyler Dellow said it simply and best: everybody does better at everything with Grabovski than they do with Bozak.

If my team had the space for him and he'd sign here for $4M AAV for under 5 years I'd do it no questions asked. If I was a team that actually NEEDED at top 6 centre I'd pay him 4.5 for 4 years, and happily.

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Honestly I don't know where a borderline playoff team like TO gets off buying out a good player like Grabovski.

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I love how desperate some Leaf fans are to defend this buyout. I mean, it's done, they chose Bozak, but don't try to act like somehow you kept the better player. Tyler Dellow said it simply and best: everybody does better at everything with Grabovski than they do with Bozak.

If my team had the space for him and he'd sign here for $4M AAV for under 5 years I'd do it no questions asked. If I was a team that actually NEEDED at top 6 centre I'd pay him 4.5 for 4 years, and happily.
Bozak's cap hit is manageable and he's going to be an important chip in keeping Kessel here.

Grabo regressed and seems to have a bad attitude. There's a reason why he hasn't been snapped up quickly yet on the free market.

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I even said "not just point totals either". Bolland wasn't a good 3C last year either. The only place he was good was 4C with Kruger and Frolik when he got moved there in the Playoffs. For instance, Bolland was -7 last year on a team that was 1st in GA and 2nd in GF on the season. The only other Hawks to post a minus rating were Brandon Bollig at -1 (extra forward, 25 games), Sheldon Brookbank at -2 (7th defenseman, 26 games) and Drew LeBlanc at -3 (played college hockey last year, 2 games).

He wasn't much better in the Playoffs (although he had a good SCF and obviously scored the big goal). A year ago not a single Hawk fan would have said get rid of Bolland to keep Bickell.. now few disagree with that decision. I hope he rebounds since he was one of my favorite Hawks but to say he was better than Grabovski last year is wrong.
This is just the common "grass in greener on the OTHER side" mindset most Leaf fans have.

Grabo had his arguablly worst season ever, and it's pretty clear why. He was being completely used wrong. He's going to sign a nice new deal with a team and make Leaf fans regret this move.

I seriously hope Bolland recaptures his 3c magic, but I have my doubts.

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