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07-09-2013, 01:04 PM
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I'd rather lose the team than let Melnyk dictate to City Council.

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Is this mainly dependent on municipal or provincial?

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I'd rather lose the team than let Melnyk dictate to City Council.
Businessmen dictate to politicians at all levels. Welcome to democracy

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I'd rather lose the team than let Melnyk dictate to City Council.
Sens > Government

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I'd rather lose the team than let Melnyk dictate to City Council.
He's not dictating anything. He's asking for a fair shot rather than council fast-tracking the casino to RCR, no discussion, no consideration.

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Murray and Melnyk: Alfie...here is a blank cheque. We are targeting the most sought after UFA and are attempting to bring in the power forward winger the team has needed for years.

Alfie: **** you.

You: BLAME MELNYK!
More like:

Barry: Wer'e looking for 6 million over two years
Murray: We'd like something lower...
Alfie: I've been working for under worth for too long, see ya!

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Alison Sandor ‏@CFRA_Alison 54s

#Melnyk: this would increase #Sens viability, keep prices lower, everybody makes more $. We've brought world class entertainment here.

Alison Sandor ‏@CFRA_Alison 2m

#Melnyk: we underestimate ourselves in Ottawa.


Hard to argue with that last one...

wants to make CTC Entertainment ground zero...build out from there.
I call BS on tickets being lower. First of all, tickets are at a price markets can bear. Are tickets in New Jersey lower because Atlantic City has a casino? Melnyk just said he has tons of cash, Leeder said the team can afford to bring in more players so...basically Melnyk just wants more cash for himself.

Let the city decide on this. Melnyk should get no more or less favour than anyone else.
The guy IS loaded...he just wants to be MORE loaded (in both senses of the word) and while I can't argue against that, if he wants the casino every. single. red. cent. needs to come out of his pocket. I'm not paying for something *I* am not going to use and *I* live in the east end. If west-enders want to pay their taxes for it, go nuts. The Senators sever the whole city, but this casino would only serve its peripheral area...

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a totally unbiased decision would have to turn on the following things:

-who is more likely to run a better facility that would be bigger, and have better tie-ins and spinoffs for the city? Melnyk and the CTC

-what's more important for the city both financially and for quality of life- having the sens or having the RCR? Easy, melnyk and the CTC

-employment wise, what's most likely best for the city? Again, melnyk and the CTC. If he opens a casino, probably much bigger than the RCR, he's going to have to HIRE people, right? Who has the experience in that industry? Lots of people at the RCR. He could even commit to giving laid off RCR people jobs at his new casino if the city gives him the chance. I think there wouldn't be a whole lot of jobs lost, and in fact, CTC cld probably create more jobs.

The trouble is, there are powerful politicians who have committed themselves to supporting the status quo who are lined up behind the RCR. It's easy to see why melnyk is so pissed. He's brought a ton of money into this city, and our stupid local politicians are giving him the finger.

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07-09-2013, 01:12 PM
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I'd rather lose the team than let Melnyk dictate to City Council.
You have no idea. What the documentary "Park Avenue: Money, Power and the American Dream" to get an idea of what the relationship is like between politicians and corporations. Lobbying is quite powerful here as well.

OSEG strong-armed their way into the process for Lansdowne and Melnyk is trying to do the same thing here for the Casino.

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07-09-2013, 01:12 PM
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Sounds to me like it's an OLG issue, they need to be lobbied to allow Ottawa two sites.

They have said Ottawa only gets one gaming site. Ottawa already has a gaming site (RCR), so there will be no new gaming site.

Why would the City condone tearing down RCR rather than just expanding it ? I like new shiny things as much as the next guy, but there is not a lot of sense to that.

Only solution is for OLG to allocate two sites, otherwise Melnyk is SOL, and that's just life. There have been slots at RCR for over a decade, he is late to the gaming party in Ottawa.

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07-09-2013, 01:13 PM
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Sens > Government
No Senators = pre 1993, I spend my money elsehwere, but we still have infrastructure and services
No Government = no schools, police, firefighters, hospitals, infrastructure, business (need permits and zoning, which requires government!), housing (need government approval for housing permits, and housing taxes)...

I'll choose the actual one that makes the city run.

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More like:

Barry: Wer'e looking for 6 million over two years
Murray: We'd like something lower...
Alfie: I've been working for under worth for too long, see ya!
So 3M per??? First I hear of this...

If Alfie dipped that fast over $$$ with an unrealistic initial offer then he is indeed a world class POS....

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Wait, are people somehow suggesting that Sens and Government are mutually exclusive or something?

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No Senators = pre 1993, I spend my money elsehwere, but we still have infrastructure and services
No Government = no schools, police, firefighters, hospitals, infrastructure, business (need permits and zoning, which requires government!), housing (need government approval for housing permits, and housing taxes)...

I'll choose the actual one that makes the city run.
I dont live in Ottawa. Doesn't matter to me

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Sounds to me like it's an OLG issue, they need to be lobbied to allow Ottawa two sites.

They have said Ottawa only gets one gaming site. Ottawa already has a gaming site (RCR), so there will be no new gaming site.

Why would the City condone tearing down RCR rather than just expanding it ? I like new shiny things as much as the next guy, but there is not a lot of sense to that.

Only solution is for OLG to allocate two sites, otherwise Melnyk is SOL, and that's just life. There have been slots at RCR for over a decade, he is late to the gaming party in Ottawa.

Personally, I don't think Ottawa should have a casino, period. However, it seems like a foregone conclusion that one is coming and if that's the case, then it should be placed downtown. Since this is Ottawa, it won't be and the next most logical place to me, is at the CTC.

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The trouble is, there are powerful politicians who have committed themselves to supporting the status quo who are lined up behind the RCR. It's easy to see why melnyk is so pissed. He's brought a ton of money into this city, and our stupid local politicians are giving him the finger.
You mean those same politicians who forced the team to place the arena in Kanata? History never fails to repeat itself.

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I'd rather lose the team than let Melnyk dictate to City Council.
So you would rather there be no due process? You would rather the police pull you over and give you a ticket without explaining why? That is essentially what this situation is about.

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a It's easy to see why melnyk is so pissed. He's brought a ton of money into this city, and our stupid local politicians are giving him the finger.
Weird, because the money I make has nothing to do with the Seantors, it comes from the government and private contracting, which Melnyk doesn't influence...

The only money generated by "Melnyk" has been by McJobs that hire students or people desperate for spare money. Housing in that area would have happened anyway since the city was going to grow. If you're referring to players putting money into charities and taxes on players, well...sure, but our wealthy people (Ottawa has some outside of Melnyk) give plenty as well.


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Personally, I don't think Ottawa should have a casino, period. However, it seems like a foregone conclusion that one is coming and if that's the case, then it should be placed downtown. Since this is Ottawa, it won't be and the next most logical place to me, is at the CTC.
I agree with you, but The Province won't let the track die, so the site will be RCR. There is no doubt.

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Tells you something that Canada's capital cannot support a hockey team without a ****ing casino according to Melnyk.

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I fully agree with Melnyk in this respect. The city is insane for bailing on the CTC area now after so much turmoil. You place the arena in the boonies, say that area will develop around it, let the area develop, go through so much **** trying to get a east-west light rail line off the ground and expand the damn highway, only for the area to be ignored when the opportunity comes for a high value development comes around.

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So you would rather there be no due process? You would rather the police pull you over and give you a ticket without explaining why? That is essentially what this situation is about.
This "due process" has been ongoing forever. Like well over two to five years.
If Melnyk wanted it so badly all he had to do is show up THEN and make his proposal, instead of jumping up and down NOW like he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Basically, this is just Melnyk wanting more $$$$ in his pockets. That's fine, but he shouldn't be given any special treatment. The City Council needs to vote according to its own needs/principles and so on.

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I'd love it to be in Kanata.

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Melnyk needs to foot most of the bill if he wants it so badly.

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This is the stupidest debate in ottawa in awhile . Put the casino in an area where it will succeed and grow an area rather then use it to try and save a dying sport in horse racing . If they were to put that casino near the stadium i could really see a hotel being next . From a business and money stand point it make more sense for it to be in kanata.

Prop up a dying sport vs create jobs and money
The question should be what area creates the most wealth


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I agree with you, but The Province won't let the track die, so the site will be RCR. There is no doubt.
It's funny that the track faces the exact same situation as the Sens. Without a casino, neither seem like viable businesses. Which one is more important to the city of Ottawa?

Are OSEG lobbying to have it at Lansdowne? I may have missed that part.

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