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10-04-2006, 03:29 PM
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Joe Sakic 00/01-01/02

Just random curiosity...any ideas why he dropped from 118 points in 2001 to 79 points in 2002 (both 82 games played)? I just thought it was odd.

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10-04-2006, 03:39 PM
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Probably because Forsberg was gone that whole year so the opposing teams didn't have to choose who to play their top D against and just put them against Joe.

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Forsberg not playing that year was a factor. I know he and Sakic weren`t linemates but it allowed opposition teams to focus their top checkers solely on Sakic`s line.

Edit: Since I just said the same thing 19nazzy said, I can also add that Ray Bourque retiring also played a role. Sakic`s decrease was mostly in his goals (54 to 26), so they had no d-men who could start a rush outside of Blake. Most of the Avs point totals dropped that year: Hejduk, Tanguay, Drury; Roy saved them in a lot of games that year. He should have won MVP.


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10-04-2006, 03:57 PM
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Sakic's season in 2000-01 is perhaps the best I've seen in the last 12 years. He ranked among the league leaders in goals, assists and points. He won the Hart, Art Ross, Pearson and Lady Byng Trophies. He also led the league in plus-minus, and was fourth in Selke Trophy voting. Now, a lot of players have enjoyed comparable regular seasons, but what separates Sakic was his post-season play. He captained his team to the Stanley Cup, he led the playoffs in scoring. Forsberg missed the final two series, but Sakic was great, despite suffering from a serious shoulder injury that would have likely sidelined him for four to six weeks if not for the playoffs.

I think Sakic was tired in 2001-02. That's what happens when you play 103 games at the level that Sakic did. Forsberg was out so Sakic had different linemates; guys he wasn't used to playing with. And, he played in the Olympics, which certainly didn't help him any, either. Nothing like adding an extra six games to your slate when you're coming off a 103-game season. That had a lot to do with his struggles in the 2002 playoffs.

Interesting to note, though: Sakic was still named to the first all-star team in 2002. One of the things about 2001-02 was that it was a very forgetable season for the NHL. A lot of guys, for whatever reason, had off years or didn't meet expectations. It wasn't as widespread as 1999-2000 or 2003-04, which might have been the worst years for on-ice play since World War II, but it was a season when a lot of guys were seemingly going through the motions.

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10-04-2006, 04:00 PM
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Roy saved them in a lot of games that year. He should have won MVP.
Yes. Yes he should've.

That may have been his best career year which I am glad I was able to witness.

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Sakic was still the MVP in the Olympics in '02. In those two years I dare you to find a better all around player in the NHL at the time. You couldnt, he was the best

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Sakic's season in 2000-01 is perhaps the best I've seen in the last 12 years. He ranked among the league leaders in goals, assists and points. He won the Hart, Art Ross, Pearson and Lady Byng Trophies. He also led the league in plus-minus, and was fourth in Selke Trophy voting. Now, a lot of players have enjoyed comparable regular seasons, but what separates Sakic was his post-season play. He captained his team to the Stanley Cup, he led the playoffs in scoring. Forsberg missed the final two series, but Sakic was great, despite suffering from a serious shoulder injury that would have likely sidelined him for four to six weeks if not for the playoffs.

I think Sakic was tired in 2001-02. That's what happens when you play 103 games at the level that Sakic did. Forsberg was out so Sakic had different linemates; guys he wasn't used to playing with. And, he played in the Olympics, which certainly didn't help him any, either. Nothing like adding an extra six games to your slate when you're coming off a 103-game season. That had a lot to do with his struggles in the 2002 playoffs.

Interesting to note, though: Sakic was still named to the first all-star team in 2002. One of the things about 2001-02 was that it was a very forgetable season for the NHL. A lot of guys, for whatever reason, had off years or didn't meet expectations. It wasn't as widespread as 1999-2000 or 2003-04, which might have been the worst years for on-ice play since World War II, but it was a season when a lot of guys were seemingly going through the motions.
Though it doesn't deflate your assessment of the situation, Jagr took home the Art Ross in 2001.

I think, in addition to what you said, I'd like to add that the team as a whole sufferred from is commonly referred to as a Stanley Cup hangover. Production and seemingly the motivation to compete night in and night out dropped noticeably from just about every player on the team. Or if you buy the fate card, 2001 was the year where the Avs seemed to get all the right bounces; 2002 was the exact opposite.

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Though it doesn't deflate your assessment of the situation, Jagr took home the Art Ross in 2001.

I think, in addition to what you said, I'd like to add that the team as a whole sufferred from is commonly referred to as a Stanley Cup hangover. Production and seemingly the motivation to compete night in and night out dropped noticeably from just about every player on the team. Or if you buy the fate card, 2001 was the year where the Avs seemed to get all the right bounces; 2002 was the exact opposite.
Of course. How foolish of me. But it doesn't detract from how incredible Sakic's 2000-01 season was.

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The 2002 were the lowest scoring in Franchise history (this includes the sorry days when the Nords were bottom feeders). As a whole I think scoring was down because I think only Iginla and Naslund had over 95 points that year. The Avs still managed to win cuz of their D and Roy (who should've won the Hart and Vexina IMO but Baldy took it home).

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Sakic had a Championship season in 2000-2001 and won the Hart/ Pearson/ Lady Byng (Jagr won the Art Ross by 3 pts.) and was also leading scorer of the playoffs that year. It was a long march to the cup, taking almost ten months from training camp to the final buzzer. About 10 weeks later he was skating again at the Olympic training camp followed by the Colorado camp, pre-season and than a long regular season. Also because of Forsbergs injury sakic had to go it aalone and play the best oppsind D night in and night out.

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Sakic just potted his 1500th point today. He's currently 11th alltime and could possibly move up and surpass Ray Bourque if he has a good season. If he plays at least 1 more season he'll easily get into 8th spot. The lockout season probably costed him ~70-80 points so 1650 might've been possible. If he keeps playing at the level he is then who knows, he may even crack the top 5

1 Wayne Gretzky (1979-1999) 2857
2 Mark Messier (1979-2004) 1887
3 Gordie Howe (1946-1980) 1850
4 Ron Francis (1981-2004) 1798
5 Marcel Dionne (1971-1989) 1771
6 Steve Yzerman (1983-2006) 1755
7 Mario Lemieux (1984-2006) 1723
8 Phil Esposito (1963-1981) 1590
9 Ray Bourque (1979-2001) 1579
10 Paul Coffey (1980-2001) 1531
11 Joe Sakic (1988-2007) 1499 (10)
12 Stan Mikita (1958-1980) 1467
13 Jaromir Jagr (1990-2007) 1445 (13)

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10-26-2006, 09:30 AM
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Sakic just potted his 1500th point today. He's currently 11th alltime and could possibly move up and surpass Ray Bourque if he has a good season. If he plays at least 1 more season he'll easily get into 8th spot. The lockout season probably costed him ~70-80 points so 1650 might've been possible. If he keeps playing at the level he is then who knows, he may even crack the top 5

1 Wayne Gretzky (1979-1999) 2857
2 Mark Messier (1979-2004) 1887
3 Gordie Howe (1946-1980) 1850
4 Ron Francis (1981-2004) 1798
5 Marcel Dionne (1971-1989) 1771
6 Steve Yzerman (1983-2006) 1755
7 Mario Lemieux (1984-2006) 1723
8 Phil Esposito (1963-1981) 1590
9 Ray Bourque (1979-2001) 1579
10 Paul Coffey (1980-2001) 1531
11 Joe Sakic (1988-2007) 1499 (10)
12 Stan Mikita (1958-1980) 1467
13 Jaromir Jagr (1990-2007) 1445 (13)
I think Sakic's decision to return for future seasons is requisite on the team's ability to compete from now on in. I doubt he'll want to return to a team if is not confident that they can make the playoffs.

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10-26-2006, 02:34 PM
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I think Sakic's decision to return for future seasons is requisite on the team's ability to compete from now on in. I doubt he'll want to return to a team if is not confident that they can make the playoffs.
That's why he'll be siging with Vancouver for the league minimum next year.

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10-26-2006, 09:55 PM
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I think Sakic's decision to return for future seasons is requisite on the team's ability to compete from now on in. I doubt he'll want to return to a team if is not confident that they can make the playoffs.
After all even Ray Bourque got tired of B-town's loosing ways, and that was after 20 years.

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