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07-09-2013, 01:22 PM
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This "due process" has been ongoing forever. Like well over two to five years.
If Melnyk wanted it so badly all he had to do is show up THEN and make his proposal, instead of jumping up and down NOW like he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Basically, this is just Melnyk wanting more $$$$ in his pockets. That's fine, but he shouldn't be given any special treatment. The City Council needs to vote according to its own needs/principles and so on.
Melnyk has been involved all along. He has been going through all the steps the OLG told him he needed to. He went to all the meetings he had to, it was only at this point that city council is saying, "**** the OLG! we call the shots around here!" Now Melnyk is trying to show the council that he is playing by the rules and they are not.

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07-09-2013, 01:23 PM
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I call BS on tickets being lower. First of all, tickets are at a price markets can bear. Are tickets in New Jersey lower because Atlantic City has a casino? Melnyk just said he has tons of cash, Leeder said the team can afford to bring in more players so...basically Melnyk just wants more cash for himself.

Let the city decide on this. Melnyk should get no more or less favour than anyone else.
The guy IS loaded...he just wants to be MORE loaded (in both senses of the word) and while I can't argue against that, if he wants the casino every. single. red. cent. needs to come out of his pocket. I'm not paying for something *I* am not going to use and *I* live in the east end. If west-enders want to pay their taxes for it, go nuts. The Senators sever the whole city, but this casino would only serve its peripheral area...
Melnyk has loads of cash but that doesn't make the Sens any more or less viable. God forbid he actually wants to turn a profit instead of hoping on a prayer to break even every year.

Again, you will not be paying for a single blessed thing. This is about determining location not about granting public subsidy.

If you think that Melnyk deserves no more favour than the next guy, why doesn't that apply to RCR as well? Why aren't you up in arms about council sole-sourcing the casino to them before seriously considering their options in Kanata?

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07-09-2013, 01:25 PM
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This "due process" has been ongoing forever. Like well over two to five years.
If Melnyk wanted it so badly all he had to do is show up THEN and make his proposal, instead of jumping up and down NOW like he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Basically, this is just Melnyk wanting more $$$$ in his pockets. That's fine, but he shouldn't be given any special treatment. The City Council needs to vote according to its own needs/principles and so on.
Could not disagree more with the bolded statement. City Council needs to vote on what's best for the city, not based on their own principles and what's good for them. That is a huge problem with Ottawa politics as it is and why the Melnyks of the world are jumping up and down.

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07-09-2013, 01:28 PM
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There are quite a few things he can do other than a Casino to make CTC a destination.

Foxboro stadium is 45 km from Boston, but they built Patriot Place so people could spend a ton of cash other than on football:

http://www.patriot-place.com/

It's kids attractions, movie theatre, tons of shopping, good restaurants, hotels, spas, nature trails, etc.

The guys can spend a day at the game while the wives shop and get pampered. Or you can spend the night, take the kids to the aquarium in the morning, and then hit the game.

To my knowledge there is no casino there.

Melnyk needs to think bigger.


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Wait, are people somehow suggesting that Sens and Government are mutually exclusive or something?
I remember the pre-Sens days in Ottawa - roving murderous street gangs, rampant airborne disease, deadly bicycle jousting tournaments on Anarchy Hill.

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He IS thinking bigger. That's his whole point. He has a ton of land around his building out there that he'd LOVE to develop into a sports/shopping/entertainment empire. the sens are the crown, a casino would be the crown jewel, and a hotel, soccer, malls, waterpark, whatever else would be added benefits. Keeping the RCR open is just so small minded. Let it stay open as a minor venue with slots, a nice buffet, maybe the EX, and whatever else. Let melnyk bid with his megabucks and ambition to build around a property that we are FAR more willing to see do well- the sens.

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The city council in Ottawa joke. It's actually sickening that we let these buffoons run our city.

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There are quite a few things he can do other than a Casino to make CTC a destination.

Foxboro stadium is 45 km from Boston, but they built Patriot Place so people could spend a ton of cash other than on football:

http://www.patriot-place.com/

It's kids attractions, tons of shopping, good restaurants, hotels, spas, etc.

The guys can spend a day at the game while the wives shop and get pampered. Or you can spend the night, take the kids to the aquarium in the morning, and then hit the game.

To my knowledge there is no casino there.

Melnyk needs to think bigger.

A few problems with your example.

1) The Patriots make money before selling a single ticket to a game

2) The Boston Metro area is 4.5million, and that's not including all other nearby New England populated areas. Fans travel to Pats games, Sens fans generally do not. Ottawa's metro population is what, 1.2million?

3) A Casino is a license to print money. There is 0 risk with owning and operating a casino.

4) There's an outlet mall coming to the area in 2014.

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There are quite a few things he can do other than a Casino to make CTC a destination.

Foxboro stadium is 45 km from Boston, but they built Patriot Place so people could spend a ton of cash other than on football:

http://www.patriot-place.com/

It's kids attractions, tons of shopping, good restaurants, hotels, spas, etc.

The guys can spend a day at the game while the wives shop and get pampered. Or you can spend the night, take the kids to the aquarium in the morning, and then hit the game.

To my knowledge there is no casino there.

Melnyk needs to think bigger.
Stuff like this are Melnyk's end goal . He wants a hotel too and if he continues to make money off the casino no doubt he'll create new projects he thinks will be successful .

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The debate is basically the tax dollars siphoned from all the gamblers, should it support horse racing or the Ottawa Senators, and will more tax revenue be generated for the city/province with a location at CTC or RCR.

My gut feel says that the CTC is the no brainer location, because you've already established a world class entertainment facility there, replete with the parking and highway infrastructure, not to mention the boondoggle LRT maybe coming online one day.

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Melnyk during scrum: will consider pursuing legal action against city if it chooses RCR as only option for casino. #ottcity

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City lawyer says he's concerned legal action against them would be for "ulterior motives" and would bring that up with commissioner.

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Would adding a casino bring melnyk more money, thus making him able to spend more on the sens?

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He IS thinking bigger. That's his whole point. He has a ton of land around his building out there that he'd LOVE to develop into a sports/shopping/entertainment empire. the sens are the crown, a casino would be the crown jewel, and a hotel, soccer, malls, waterpark, whatever else would be added benefits. Keeping the RCR open is just so small minded. Let it stay open as a minor venue with slots, a nice buffet, maybe the EX, and whatever else. Let melnyk bid with his megabucks and ambition to build around a property that we are FAR more willing to see do well- the sens.
Exactly.. The fact that they are building all of the outlet malls in the west end is reason enough to bring "tourists" from west of the city... People from the Valley etc, either have to go to Lac Leamy or all the way to RCR... Having Melnyk add a casino, hotel, etc among other things will make pre/post games all the more exciting... as well as year round with a Casino...

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Would adding a casino bring melnyk more money, thus making him able to spend more on the sens?
Yes.

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The city council in Ottawa joke. It's actually sickening that we let these buffoons run our city.
It's our own fault for voting them in, so really.. it's the voters that are a joke.

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We just dumped the idea of a casino here in Toronto (thankfully).

Is there a report done from City staff that recommends RCR as the ideal location for a casino? Was CTC considered?

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Melnyk is playing a dangerous game here. I think it's a good idea to subtly float out the idea of future legal action, and after the fiasco that was friends of landsdowne, that's likely something the city would want to avoid. BUT, if he pushes too hard and looks like daddy warbucks bullying the city, some of these preening, self-important politicians might get their backs up and vote against him just to make it look like they're in charge and won't be bullied.

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Yes.
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During scrum, #Melnyk said he has NO intentions of selling the @NHL_Sens, even though he's losing money. Says he loves the game. #ottcity

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Would adding a casino bring melnyk more money, thus making him able to spend more on the sens?
It certainly wouldn't hurt. We want the sens to do well. It's easier for them to do well if the owner is doing well.

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Sounds to me like it's an OLG issue, they need to be lobbied to allow Ottawa two sites.

They have said Ottawa only gets one gaming site. Ottawa already has a gaming site (RCR), so there will be no new gaming site.

Why would the City condone tearing down RCR rather than just expanding it ? I like new shiny things as much as the next guy, but there is not a lot of sense to that.

Only solution is for OLG to allocate two sites, otherwise Melnyk is SOL, and that's just life. There have been slots at RCR for over a decade, he is late to the gaming party in Ottawa.
If it really is a sitting duck proposal, why doesn't city council take a look at it?

Worst case for them is they approve it, and OLG doesn't for the reasons you have suggested.

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Collective sigh of relief...
Really? It's a throw-away statement... all PR.

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Having Melnyk add a casino, hotel, etc among other things will make pre/post games all the more exciting... as well as year round with a Casino...
In theory it sounds good, but would it work as intended? I have no idea who makes that decision and what's good for the city, and does it guarantee Melnyk won't cry poor about the Sens?

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It certainly wouldn't hurt. We want the sens to do well. It's easier for them to do well if the owner is doing well.
Casinos do bring in a lot of money, so it definitely would not hurt.


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A few problems with your example.

1) The Patriots make money before selling a single ticket to a game

2) The Boston Metro area is 4.5million, and that's not including all other nearby New England populated areas. Fans travel to Pats games, Sens fans generally do not. Ottawa's metro population is what, 1.2million?

3) A Casino is a license to print money. There is 0 risk with owning and operating a casino.

4) There's an outlet mall coming to the area in 2014.
None of these are reasons agaist Melnyk aspiring to build the Patriot Place model at CTC. You just invest to scale with the right partners. What I provided is a model that can reproduced to fit Ottawa's market.

I agree a casino would be a profitbale piece of "Senators Place", but I don't see Melnyk talking about a great vision. I see him whining like a kid and threatening legal action because of a decision made at Queen's Park that he is powerless to prevent.

You start with a vision of which a casino is a part, not the other way around.

Move on, and build something special at CTC.

I don't see why any of us should care that provincial gaming rules will lock him out of getting richer. There are lots of ways for him to make a buck, and Queen's Park has taken away the easiest one. Move on to the next.

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