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07-09-2013, 02:00 PM
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any defense lineup where I still see Potter makes me sad.
Any defense lineup where I see Gilbert again makes me even more sad.

Worst possible move ever...

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07-09-2013, 02:02 PM
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what about klefbom-j.schultz playing in the ahl for a good stint?

Smid-Petry
Ference-N.Schultz
Belov-Larsen
Potter

"terribad for ekblad"
How is sending J Schultz to the AHL even remotely a good idea? He would only regress IMO, and is due for a good season here in the NHL.

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07-09-2013, 02:07 PM
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Any defense lineup where I see Gilbert again makes me even more sad.

Worst possible move ever...
Would you really prefer to have Potter than Gilbert?

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Yep, it's called playing at home in the KHL (and by all accounts being one of the best D in that league last season) before finally deciding that he wants to play in the NHL instead.

What an uninformed comment this is...

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Start watching at 2:50 here...

Very nicely done correction Booya!

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07-09-2013, 02:08 PM
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Klefbom will be a top 3 if not top 2 dman on this team by half way through next season.

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Klefbom will be a top 3 if not top 2 dman on this team by half way through next season.
I think you very well could be right. But I still think 20 games in the AHL would be the best way for him to start.

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07-09-2013, 02:25 PM
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Would you really prefer to have Potter than Gilbert?
Yes, yes i would. That's saying a hell of a lot there...

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Klefbom will be a top 3 if not top 2 dman on this team by half way through next season.
So you expect us to be drafting top 3 next year?

Sigh.

Guess I'll start tracking Aaron Ekblad.

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07-09-2013, 02:28 PM
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So how do you take that quote, and then say he shouldn't be in the NHL????
It's great that he looks good against guys who aren't nearly good enough for the NHL yet.

Lets put him against NHLers and see if he's ready then. I still think you have to bring him into OKC and get him into a few games first.

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Yes, yes i would. That's saying a hell of a lot there...
Yes, it does. But not how you mean it, imo.

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I wish Klef didn't get injured last year. He might've been even better now...
All that time off was well spent in the gym. If he can't work his shoulder he can still work his legs. He will be very hungry for a roster spot.

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07-09-2013, 02:47 PM
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the problem is that we have a lot of #3 #4 and #5s on this team

Smid #3 at best...#4 on a good team
Petry #4 at the moment...potential #3
J.Schultz is still a bottom pairing guy until he can handle the defensive side of the game
Ference...solid #4, probably closer to #3 on this defense
N.Schultz...bottom pairing guy and regressing
Belov unknown
Klefbom, young 20 year old rookie that will get exposed
Larsen...soft bottom-pairing guy that puts up a little offence
Potter...AHL scrub

can't win if you don't a horse on the back-end that can play 25 minutes a game

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07-09-2013, 02:49 PM
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"He's at a different level. He has more experience. He has good perspective for a young player." - MacTavish on Klefbom

IMO, I still think if Edmonton is smart, we don't see Klefbom unless injuries occur
There is little doubt at this point that Klefbom will make the team. I'd venture to say he will be in the top 4 by the end of the season. With Ference added, J.Schultz more experienced, and Belov being a wildcard, the defence should at the very least be better than last year. If Klefbom and Belov end up capable of playing top 4 minutes, defence can turn into an area of strength.

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07-09-2013, 02:50 PM
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the problem is that we have a lot of #3 #4 and #5s on this team

Smid #3 at best...#4 on a good team
Petry #4 at the moment...potential #3
J.Schultz is still a bottom pairing guy until he can handle the defensive side of the game
Ference...solid #4, probably closer to #3 on this defense
N.Schultz...bottom pairing guy and regressing
Belov unknown
Klefbom, young 20 year old rookie that will get exposed
Larsen...soft bottom-pairing guy that puts up a little offence
Potter...AHL scrub

can't win if you don't a horse on the back-end that can play 25 minutes a game
Carolina won the cup icing 6 No.3-4 guys.

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07-09-2013, 02:57 PM
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So why wasn't he over playing in the NHL when he was 22?

I am not saying Belov sucks, or won't make the team, I am just saying people penciling him into the line up is very premature. The KHL is a differnt league, bigger ice ect. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back in the KHL after a breif try out.
He will be on the team. MacT said as much earlier. Big, mean, excellent skater, can move and shoot the puck. At the very least he's a bottom pairing d-man in the NHL. Potentially better than that.
I think we'll see something like this:

Petry-Smid
Ference-Belov
J.Schultz-Klefbom/N.Schultz

Potter waived, unless they decide to carry 8 d-men.

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07-09-2013, 03:01 PM
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So you expect us to be drafting top 3 next year?

Sigh.

Guess I'll start tracking Aaron Ekblad.
Our 'top end' Dmen are very overrated on here (Smid and Petry)
Klefbom is going to be an OEL, Jonas Brodin type of player that is just too good to keep down.

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I'm sorry but I don't think I got the memo that stated Klefbom was better than Smid, Petry, Schultz and Ference.

I watched him at the development camp and he looked good against guys who aren't even close to making the league yet. That is definitely not enough to start anointing him onto the team. He made mistakes, rookie mistakes, that will need to be corrected.

We've rushed too many Oiler D-men at a young age. Smid struggled early, Petry struggled early, Gilbert struggled early, and this year was a defensive struggle at times for Justin Schultz, who could have used a bottom pairing minutes assignment with top PP time but instead had to take on top 4 hard minutes as a rookie. Please, Klefbom needs AHL time for a bit and if he does come up, then bottom pairing minutes will ease him into the transition.

There's a reason why Detroit is so good at developing players. They take their time.

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07-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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If Klefbom is better than the guys we have he will jump them in short order, just like all of our young forwards did.

If Klefbom can move the puck the way it is indicated he can he already leap frogs a lot of our players.

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Our 'top end' Dmen are very overrated on here (Smid and Petry)
Klefbom is going to be an OEL, Jonas Brodin type of player that is just too good to keep down.
You're talking potential.

I'm saying if a 20 year old defenseman is a top pairing defenseman on the Oilers next year, the Oilers will be a terrible team, especially defensively.

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I like our dmen a lot more this season simply because Potter should under no circumstances, see NHL ice time again.

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If Klefbom is better than the guys we have he will jump them in short order, just like all of our young forwards did.

If Klefbom can move the puck the way it is indicated he can he already leap frogs a lot of our players.
Agreed.

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07-09-2013, 03:22 PM
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Would it be unreasonable to expect Klefbom to step in next season and play similar minutes to Schultz last season?

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the problem is that we have a lot of #3 #4 and #5s on this team

Smid #3 at best...#4 on a good team
Petry #4 at the moment...potential #3
J.Schultz is still a bottom pairing guy until he can handle the defensive side of the game
Ference...solid #4, probably closer to #3 on this defense
N.Schultz...bottom pairing guy and regressing
Belov unknown
Klefbom, young 20 year old rookie that will get exposed
Larsen...soft bottom-pairing guy that puts up a little offence
Potter...AHL scrub

can't win if you don't a horse on the back-end that can play 25 minutes a game
undervaluing everyone here..
Smid a #4 ? What more does he need to do to be considered a top pairing defensive Dman? Between Smid and Ference we have the LD spots on '2a' and '2b' pairings covered.. Belov, Klefbom and Nick can fight for the last LD spot on the bottom pairing. If Klefbom proves he is NHL ready, playing on the third pairing would not burn him out.
I think Petry is a good #4 and so would be J.Schultz. Neither of them should be on the bottom pairing in NHL. Klebom-N.Schultz pairing could be good as 3rd pairing.

Ideally we get a #1 RD bumping down Justin and Petry a notch. Hoping one of these 2 take a step up and take over that role.

Other than that our D is set.

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Would it be unreasonable to expect Klefbom to step in next season and play similar minutes to Schultz last season?
shouldnt be unreasonable but ideally Klefa plays 20 games in the AHL next year to get some kinks out of his game and adjust to NA style. I think Schultz playing AHL and dominating was good for him..
If he shows up to the camp and earns the spot then good on him.

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This is the best defense we have iced in over 4 years. Progress.

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