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06-25-2013, 05:17 PM
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According to my rough math, that equates to about an extra 166 million each year provided it's an equal increase each year absolute dollar wise.

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to make this a lot easier for caps for all teams: www.capgeeks.com

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to make this a lot easier for caps for all teams: www.capgeeks.com
Everyone knows what Capgeek is.

The only ****** thing about that site is they don't keep track of the off-season cap.

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The NHL on Monday moved to close a loophole left in the allegedly airtight collective bargaining agreement by notifying general managers the league would deem re-signing a player following a trade and a subsequent amnesty buyout as circumvention, and thus would not register the contract, The Post has learned.

It is believed the Lightning and Maple Leafs had discussed such a maneuver regarding Vincent Lecavalier, who has seven years and $45 million remaining on his contract, with the buyout thus worth slightly more than $30 million.

The amnesty buyout period begins Wednesday night at 11:00, and lasts through July 4, one day before the opening of this year’s free agent market.

The clubs theoretically would have concocted a swap in which Tampa Bay would have sent an asset — perhaps a draft pick — to rolling-in-dough Toronto along with Lecavalier, who would have re-signed a more modest deal with the Lightning after being bought out by the Leafs.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...28TR1GtnCDS8ZO

Thank God we had the lockout. Can't believe that part wasn't written in until now as that could have gotten ugly if a deal like TOR/TB went down.

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Smart decision by the NHL. Wonder if the NHLPA will file a grievance, since this amendment wasn't collectively bargained.

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Smart decision by the NHL. Wonder if the NHLPA will file a grievance, since this amendment wasn't collectively bargained.
It's already covered under Article 26 of the CBA.

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26.3 Circumventions.
(a) No Club or Club Actor, directly or indirectly, may: (i) enter into any agreements, promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind, whether express, implied, oral or written, including without limitation, any SPC, Qualifying Offer, Offer Sheet or other transaction, or (ii) take or fail to take any action whatsoever, if either (i) or (ii) is intended to or has the effect of defeating or Circumventing the provisions of this Agreement or the intention of the parties as reflected by the provisions of this Agreement, including without limitation, provisions with respect to the financial and other reporting obligations of the Clubs and the League, Team Payroll Range, Player Compensation Cost Redistribution System, the Entry Level System and/or Free agency.
The league has the power to deny the contract in this case, just like they did with Kovy.

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That would certainly be the NHL's counterargument.

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It's already covered under Article 26 of the CBA.



The league has the power to deny the contract in this case, just like they did with Kovy.
I don't agree with this for two reasons.

1. Who says there is an agreement between the two teams? It may be obvious that they are, but no one will be there to see this agreement.

2. The entire "circumvention" rule seems to be BS. It's as if the rule is "if you're not sure if what you're about to do is allowed, assume it's not."

There is no clear rule on saying you can't trade a player who then gets bought out to then sign that player. It's not in the CBA. How could Tampa be so sure that Toronto is going to buy out Lecavalier? Everyone will swear that this is what they're doing, but prove it. For all we know, Toronto could think they're getting a steal just for these draft picks.

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I don't agree with this for two reasons.

1. Who says there is an agreement between the two teams? It may be obvious that they are, but no one will be there to see this agreement.

2. The entire "circumvention" rule seems to be BS. It's as if the rule is "if you're not sure if what you're about to do is allowed, assume it's not."

There is no clear rule on saying you can't trade a player who then gets bought out to then sign that player. It's not in the CBA. How could Tampa be so sure that Toronto is going to buy out Lecavalier? Everyone will swear that this is what they're doing, but prove it. For all we know, Toronto could think they're getting a steal just for these draft picks.
I'd assume it's discussions off to the side... which means it's shady business

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I don't agree with this for two reasons.

1. Who says there is an agreement between the two teams? It may be obvious that they are, but no one will be there to see this agreement.

2. The entire "circumvention" rule seems to be BS. It's as if the rule is "if you're not sure if what you're about to do is allowed, assume it's not."

There is no clear rule on saying you can't trade a player who then gets bought out to then sign that player. It's not in the CBA. How could Tampa be so sure that Toronto is going to buy out Lecavalier? Everyone will swear that this is what they're doing, but prove it. For all we know, Toronto could think they're getting a steal just for these draft picks.
Steal ? lol they are getting a player and draft picks with nothing going the other way

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If Toronto owners want to play 30 million dollars for a couple negligible pieces... good grief.

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If Toronto owners want to play 30 million dollars for a couple negligible pieces... good grief.
With all their money and their lack of success, I can absolutely see why Toronto would buy draft picks if there was a loophole that allowed them to do so.

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With all their money and their lack of success, I can absolutely see why Toronto would buy draft picks if there was a loophole that allowed them to do so.
Makes sense to me. Why not essentially buy draft picks or prospects if you can do so?

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I don't agree with this for two reasons.

1. Who says there is an agreement between the two teams? It may be obvious that they are, but no one will be there to see this agreement.

2. The entire "circumvention" rule seems to be BS. It's as if the rule is "if you're not sure if what you're about to do is allowed, assume it's not."

There is no clear rule on saying you can't trade a player who then gets bought out to then sign that player. It's not in the CBA. How could Tampa be so sure that Toronto is going to buy out Lecavalier? Everyone will swear that this is what they're doing, but prove it. For all we know, Toronto could think they're getting a steal just for these draft picks.
The CBA very clearly prohibits a team from buying out a player and then re-signing that player.

Trading the player so that another team can buy out the player, and then re-signing the player, is an obvious circumvention of the rule.

If tampa traded VL + their 1st for a 3rd round pick, do you honestly think anyone would believe that it's a valid hockey deal? Toronto isn't going to do the deal unless they are getting something significant.

The NHL would absolutely block that deal, and if necessary, bring in an arbitrator to determine punishment, just like they did with the Kovy case.

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RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 2013 (2)
Nr Pos PlayerCaphit 2013 Status Team Drafted
1 F Stepan, Derek (ELC)$875,000 QualifiedNew York Rangers/NHLR2 #51 NYR (2008)
2 F Mashinter, Brandon $550,000Qualified Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 2013 (10)
Nr Pos Player Caphit 2013 Status Team 2014 Drafted
1 F Clowe, Ryan $3,625,000 UFA 2013 New Jersey Devils/NHL R6 #175 San Jose (2001)
2 D Hamrlik, Roman $3,500,000 UFA 2013 (Retired) ?? R1 #1 Washington (1992)
3 D Sauer, Michael $1,250,000 UFA 2013 (Retired) ?? R2 #40 NYR (2005)
4 D Eminger, Steve $750,000 UFA 2013 ?? R1 #12 Washington (2002)
5 D Niemi, Jyri (ELC) $700,000* UFA 2013 - bolted Europe ?? R3 #72 NYI (2008)
6 D Gilroy, Matt $650,000 UFA 2013 ?? Undrafted
7 D Collins, Sean $600,000 UFA 2013 ?? Undrafted
8 D Pyett, Logan $600,000 UFA 2013 ?? R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
9 F Segal, Brandon $550,000 UFA 2013 ?? R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
10 D Vernace, Mike $525,000 UFA 2013 ?? R7 #201 San Jose (2004)


PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013-2014 (46)
NEW YORK RANGERS (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
1 F Brassard, Derick $3,200,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
2 D Del Zotto, M. $2,550,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #20 NYR (2008)
3 F Kreider, Chris (ELC) $1,325,000* RFA 2014New York Rangers/NHL R1 #19 NYR (2009)
4 D Moore, John (ELC) $965,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)
5 G Lundqvist, Henrik $6,875,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #208 NYR (2000)
6 F Callahan, Ryan $4,275,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R4 #127 NYR (2004)
7 D Girardi, Dan $3,325,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
8 D Stralman, Anton $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
9 F Boyle, Brian $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
10 F Pyatt, Taylor $1,550,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
11 F Pouliot, Benoit $1,300,000 UFA 2014 Tampa Bay Lightening/NHL R1 #4 Minnesota Wild (2005)
12 G Biron, Martin $1,300,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
13 F Zuccarello, Mats $1,150,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
14 F Powe, Darroll $1,066,667 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
15 F Asham, Arron $1,000,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
16 F Moore, Dominic $1,000,000 UFA 2014 San Jose Sharks/NHL (2012) R4 #95 NYR (2000)
17 D Falk, Justin $975,000 UFA 2014 Minnesota Wild/NHL R4 #110 Minnesota Wild (2007)
18 F Hagelin, Carl $2,250,000 RFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #168 NYR (2007)
19 D Staal, Marc $3,975,000 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 NYR (2005)
20 F Dorsett, Derek $1,633,333 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
21 F Nash, Rick (NMC) $7,800,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
22 D McDonagh, Ryan $4,700,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
23 F Richards, Brad (NMC) $6,666,667 UFA 2020 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)

Capspace for 2013/2014 (23 players) - $2,780,833

Assigned to AHL/ECHL (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
24 F Kristo, Danny (ELC) $1,300,000* RFA 2014 Hamilton Bulldogs/AHL R2 #56 Montreal Canadians (2008)
25 F Jean, Kyle (ELC) $925,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
26 F Bourque, Ryan (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R3 #80 NYR (2009)
27 G Missiaen, Jason (ELC) $750,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHLUndrafted
28 G Stajcer, Scott (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHLR5 #140 NYR (2009)
29 F Wilson, Jason (ELC) $588,333 RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R5 #130 NYR (2010)
30 D Bickel, Stu $750,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
31 F Haley, Micheal $600,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
32 D Johnson, Aaron $600,000 UFA 2014 Boston Bruins/NHL R3 #85 Columbus Blue Jackets (2001)
33 D Syvret, Danny $587,500 UFA 2014 Adirondack Phantoms/AHL R3 #81 Edmonton Oilers (2005)
34 D McIlrath, Dylan (ELC) $1,295,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHLR1 #10 NYR (2010)
35 F Miller, J.T. (ELC) $1,244,167* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R1 #15 NYR (2011)
36 F Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHLR6 #157 NYR (2010)
37 F Yogan, Andrew (ELC) $800,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #100 NYR (2010)
38 F Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) $760,000* RFA 2015Team Sweden R2 #57 PHX (2010)
39 F Hrivik, Marek (ELC) $685,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
40 G Talbot, Cameron $562,600 UFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL undrafted
41 D Allen, Connor (ELC) $1,775,000* RFA 2016UMass/NCAAundrafted
42 D Hughes, Tommy (ELC) $608,333 RFA 2016Juniors - London Knights/OHLundrafted
43 F Nicholls, J. (ELC) $709,167 RFA 2016 Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
44 D Noreau, Samuel (ELC) $685,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ R5 #136 NYR(2011)
45 F St. Croix, M. (ELC) $665,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL R4 #106 NYR (2011)
46 F Kantor, Michael (ELC) $583,333 RFA 2016 Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHLUndrafted

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR (there are likely a few more here I believe)
Pos PlayerTeam Drafted
D Pashnin, Mikhail HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F Fogarty, Steven Notre Dame Fighting Irish/NCAA R3 #72 NYR (2011)
D Skjei, Brady Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F Nieves, Cristoval Michigan Wolverines/NCAA R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D Andersson, Calle Malmö /HA R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F Spelling, Thomas SonderjyskE/Denmark R5 #142 NYR(2012)
F Adam Tambellini North Dakota/NCAA R3 #65 NYR(2013)
F Pavel Buchnevich Cherepovets/KHL R3 #75 NYR(2013)
F Anthony Duclair Quebec/QMJHL R3 #80 NYR(2013)
D Ryan Graves PEI/QMJHL R4 #110 NYR(2013)
GMackenzie Skapski Kootenay/WHL R6 #170 NYR(2013)
* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract

2014 Draft picks
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR*
  • NO 5th rounder NYR traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - conditions being if he does not resign with NYR - then San Jose gets the 5th pick.
  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick). B. Mashinter has now been qualified - likely meaning this pick is going to San José


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07-05-2013, 07:09 PM
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Here's a breakdown of where our summer cap currently sits.

Forwards
NameCap HitTypeDays
Rick Nash7,800,000One-wayN/A
Brad Richards6,666,667One-wayN/A
Ryan Callahan4,275,000One-wayN/A
Derick Brassard3,200,000One-wayN/A
Brian Boyle1,700,000One-wayN/A
Derek Dorsett1,633,333One-wayN/A
Taylor Pyatt1,550,000One-wayN/A
Benoit Pouliot1,300,000One-wayN/A
Darroll Powe1,066,667One-wayN/A
Dominic Moore1,000,000One-wayN/A
Arron Asham1,000,000One-wayN/A
Michael Haley600,000One-wayN/A
Chris Kreider581,818Two-way64
JT Miller597,980Two-way64
Derek Stepan826,875QO One-wayN/A
Carl Hagelin660,000QO One-wayN/A
Mats Zuccarello230,151QO Two-way31
Brandon Mashinter61,111QO Two-way10
Total35,299,601
 
Defensemen
NameCap HitTypeDays
Ryan McDonagh4,700,000One-wayN/A
Marc Staal3,975,000One-wayN/A
Dan Girardi3,325,000One-wayN/A
Michael Del Zotto2,550,000One-wayN/A
Anton Stralman1,700,000One-wayN/A
Stu Bickel750,000One-wayN/A
Aaron Johnson600,000One-wayN/A
John Moore965,000Two-way99
Justin Falk866,250QO One-WayN/A
Total19,432,250
 
Goaltenders
NameCap HitTypeDays
Henrik Lundqvist6,875,000One-wayN/A
Martin Biron1,300,000One-wayN/A
Total8,175,000
 
Totals
Cap HitCap Ceiling10% CushionCap Space
$63,904,851$64,300,000$70,730,000$6,825,149

Edit: Added Aaron Johnson, who according to Cap Geek, signed a one-way contract.


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If you're curious, once you take out the qualifying offers, since they will be overridden by the actual contracts, the Rangers have $16,319,535 in space to re-sign the 6 RFAs, including Mashinter. There really shouldn't be any worry about offer sheets.

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2014 Draft picks
1st round NYR
2nd round NYR
3rd round NYR
4th round NYR
5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
6th round NYR
7th round NYR*

NO 5th rounder NYR traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - conditions being if he does not resign with NYR - then San Jose gets the 5th pick.

Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick). B. Mashinter has now been qualified - likely meaning this pick is going to San José


Is the 2nd not gone in the Clowe deal as well?

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2014 Draft picks
1st round NYR
2nd round NYR
3rd round NYR
4th round NYR
5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
6th round NYR
7th round NYR*

NO 5th rounder NYR traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - conditions being if he does not resign with NYR - then San Jose gets the 5th pick.

Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick). B. Mashinter has now been qualified - likely meaning this pick is going to San José

Is the 2nd not gone in the Clowe deal as well?
Believe they only got the 5th because Clowe did not resign. If he would have signed with us we would have lost the 2nd instead of the 5th. We lost the 2013 2nd though. Plus a 3rd rounder

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6.5 left for Stepan, Hagelin, and Zuccarello. Dont see how we're doing this wuthout moving a player we dont wanna move.

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I think we could do 2 years 3.5 per for Stepan, 2 years 2 million per for Hagelin.

You give Zucc 3 years at 1.5 apiece, and we're just .5 over. That's solved with LTIR of Callahan and Hagelin early in the season, then we cut Pyatt loose when they come back.

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6.5 left for Stepan, Hagelin, and Zuccarello. Dont see how we're doing this wuthout moving a player we dont wanna move.
Simply. Starting at $6.55m number from Cap Geek.

Stepan -4
Hagelin -2
Zuccarello -1.5
Falk -0.9
Johnson +0.6
Powe +0.925
Asham +0.925

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$0.6m in cap space.

Cap geek loves to fool people. On their site, the Rangers already have 12 forwards and 7 D under contract. Are we going to add 3 more forwards and another D without sending people down? Nope.

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It's going to be really interesting after this coming season.

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Powe and Ashem get waived at end of camp. Saves $1.85 million I believe.

- 6 years at an AAV of $4 million for Stepan.
- 2 years at an AAV of $1.75-2 million for Hagelin.
- 1 year for MZA at $1.25-1.5 million.
- Offer Falk a 1 year 1 way deal worth $650-700k (Like Boyle took less then his qualifying offer to get a one way deal).

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It's going to be really interesting after this coming season.

Absolutely. How interesting it gets depends on how much the cap goes up (if at all). This year was never going be tricky. Couple minor tweaks and we would be right.

In 12 months time Hank, Girardi, Stralman, Callahan are all UFAs. Kreider is due for a pay day.

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