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07-09-2013, 10:28 PM
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Trading Gionta or Desharnais (for example) would give us ample cap space to get a deal done.
Yes that's true. But now i just seen a thread saying "Hab's looking into getting Edler" ... They would have to trade either Desharnais, Plekanec, Gionta and Gorges to get both of them.

-If i was them i would trade Desharnais, Gorges to get Edler. And try and sign Morrow for about 3.0-3.3 million dollars.

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We need defense more than forward. If we don't get a shutdown guy then Price is toast.

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I would trade DD, Drewskie and Diaz for a top 4 D that can play physical. Then you can go get Morrow and I think that would be a good line up.

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07-09-2013, 10:38 PM
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It almost seems like Bergevin thinks the Habs are a contender with the way he has approached this offseason.

I don't understand why the defense has not even been sniffed at. 80% of all the rumours that have been tied to the Habs have been to bolster the forwards.

I don't get it. The defense is pretty abysmal; especially with Emelin's health as a question mark going into the season.
Which d-men on the market are particularly interesting out there? Which options are really attracting, and would bring our team to the next level?

None. Fact is, it's better to keep our players, let our prospects develop, and keep hoping for the best. Anyway, this team isn't anywhere near contender status in the next 2 years. It's still early, and normally, we should see a depth signing to replace Kostitsyn.

But there are no Ds out there that are worth 4 years contract.

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07-09-2013, 10:39 PM
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We need defense more than forward. If we don't get a shutdown guy then Price is toast.
Find one. Find one who's on the current market and who's worth giving a 4 years + contract too.

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07-09-2013, 10:46 PM
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We need defense more than forward. If we don't get a shutdown guy then Price is toast.
No faith in Tinordi I see.

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Dude, our D is not abyssmal, not even close...yeah, we can always use an upgrade if it's available (like Franson or Coburn...or Schenn, yay), but we have a solid D-core (Subbie, Markov, Gorges, Diaz) and Tinordi and maybe even Pateryn are ready for the jump to Top 6, keeping Cube & Drew in the Pressbox...no panic...
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The D is set:

Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon, Tinordi, and Drewiske. Emelin once he recovers will be there as well. Only Tinordi is on a two-way contract, and he will start with the Habs unless he has a disastrous camp. So basically no room for another D, unless someone is moved, which I don't see happening just yet.

Morrow would be a useful short term addition. This team is still missing a gritty element, with some skill, and Morrow can provide that.
The D is not set. Maybe in bodies, but not in quality.

We have two top 4 defensemen, Subban and Markov. Then we have two tweeners that are on the boundary, but mostly have one or two solid dimensions, Diaz and Gorges.

Drewiske belongs in the press box. Tinordi, while showing some promise, is still a green rookie. Boullion is fringe depth.

There is no meat and potatoes in the middle. There is no minute eater top 4 defensemen who brings multi-dimensions to the corps (someone like Hamrlik was for us a few years ago).


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My guess is it's reactionary to the lack of goals for in the playoffs. It boggles my mind because they didn't have a problem with scoring over the duration of the season. Yes, there was a drop-off, but that was more on the defense and team play than anything else.
There were two very strong weaknesses in my opinion during the playoffs. Contrary to popular opinion, I don't think goaltending was one of them. Price wasn't good by any stretch of the imagination, but it was workable.

Both weaknesses are profoundly evident in one simple stat:

In third periods during the series we were outscored something like 9-0. That is simply pathetic. This, in my mind, leads to two distinct weaknesses:

1) Weak mental capacity - ie, lack of leadership, depth being too green, not enough depth (could have been amplified by the injury situation), coaching.

2) Weak defensive depth.

I don't mind the Briere signing, it was low risk and it addresses number 1.

Who on the defense corps is eating minutes besides Subban?

Markov? Not anymore.
Gorges? Not even close.
Diaz? Then this team is in trouble.
Tinordi? Read above.
Boullion? LOL.

THIS is the problem for me. And to see our GM not even attempt to address this (based on what we have heard anyways) is baffling to me.


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Which d-men on the market are particularly interesting out there? Which options are really attracting, and would bring our team to the next level?

None. Fact is, it's better to keep our players, let our prospects develop, and keep hoping for the best. Anyway, this team isn't anywhere near contender status in the next 2 years. It's still early, and normally, we should see a depth signing to replace Kostitsyn.

But there are no Ds out there that are worth 4 years contract.
Don't go free agency. Quality defensemen are not usually found in July. Unless by trade. We have assets, parlay them into something that is going to be a long-term investment on defense.

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07-09-2013, 11:00 PM
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1 word.

You get one guess.

Hint: CH
CH = Montreal Canadiens = Geoff Molson = Marc Bergevin = Ch...wait, I think it got it! Ch..arac...ter! YES! CHARACTER GUYS! I FOUND THE FREAKING WORD! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

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how do you know this..
Because that's what Mario Langlois said.

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can anyone confirm that it was morrow who went to the canadiens as one poster stated but provided no proof.
https://twitter.com/LangloisMario/st...31621632573442

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can anyone confirm that it was morrow who went to the canadiens as one poster stated but provided no proof.
According to Carbo, who is Morrow's father-in-law...
http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouve...au-251800.html

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Find one. Find one who's on the current market and who's worth giving a 4 years + contract too.
fistric for 3 years

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07-09-2013, 11:25 PM
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Jagr or Morrow for 1 year; I'm ok with that.

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07-09-2013, 11:31 PM
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Zetterberg turns 33 at season's start, Datsyuk turns 35 this month, Franzen will be 34 two months into the season and Samuelsson will be 37, Bertuzzi is 38, Alfie is 40. Five players over 35.....with Tatar having no choice but to be in Detroit at season's start, the team will have 8 forwards under 6-0.....how can Detroit even compete this season? Their fans must be miserable about this....

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fistric for 3 years
We do not need any more #5 or #6 defensemen.

I get the allure of a Fistric, but that is because we are so starved to get more physical players on the roster. Fistric chalks up the hit totals but he is not really great at anything else.

I think Tinordi can step in and solidify bottom pairing duty quite nicely this season, and Pateryn may not be as far away as some think.

We need to strengthen the middle pairing of our D. Diaz, Gorges, and even an aging Markov are miscast as top 4 defenders (Markov not so much but he is no longer a #1). With over half our D corps hitting free agency next year, it will be interesting to see how MB tries to shape the defense.

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Zetterberg turns 33 at season's start, Datsyuk turns 35 this month, Franzen will be 34 two months into the season and Samuelsson will be 37, Bertuzzi is 38, Alfie is 40. Five players over 35.....with Tatar having no choice but to be in Detroit at season's start, the team will have 8 forwards under 6-0.....how can Detroit even compete this season? Their fans must be miserable about this....
Nice work.

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We do not need any more #5 or #6 defensemen.

I get the allure of a Fistric, but that is because we are so starved to get more physical players on the roster. Fistric chalks up the hit totals but he is not really great at anything else.

I think Tinordi can step in and solidify bottom pairing duty quite nicely this season, and Pateryn may not be as far away as some think.

We need to strengthen the middle pairing of our D. Diaz, Gorges, and even an aging Markov are miscast as top 4 defenders (Markov not so much but he is no longer a #1). With over half our D corps hitting free agency next year, it will be interesting to see how MB tries to shape the defense.
with emelin being out until december our top 6 is gonna be:

gorges - subban
tinordi - markov
diaz - bouillon
+ drewiske and emelin

i feel like we need a solid 5-6 like fistric to solidify our bottom pair, i really dont feel comfortable with bouillon as our 6th

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with emelin being out until december our top 6 is gonna be:

gorges - subban
tinordi - markov
diaz - bouillon
+ drewiske and emelin

i feel like we need a solid 5-6 like fistric to solidify our bottom pair, i really dont feel comfortable with bouillon as our 6th
Yes the Emelin injury does throw a wrench into things. I wonder if the brass throws Tinordi into the fire in a top four role as you suggest. I do not think they will try to fill bottom three spots by committee. Too much smoke around the Edler and Coburn rumours. It is not that we land one of them, but it is the fact we are asking on their availability that tells me the plan to shape the defense for the future is already in the works.

You mentioned Fistric: what do you think about Smid? I like his game. Apparently MacT is not a Smid fan. I like his cap hit too..... I am unsure as to what Edmonton might be looking for in a trade.

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I'd take Cleary instead.. But Morrow instead of Moen anyday

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Yes the Emelin injury does throw a wrench into things. I wonder if the brass throws Tinordi into the fire in a top four role as you suggest. I do not think they will try to fill bottom three spots by committee. Too much smoke around the Edler and Coburn rumours. It is not that we land one of them, but it is the fact we are asking on their availability that tells me the plan to shape the defense for the future is already in the works.

You mentioned Fistric: what do you think about Smid? I like his game. Apparently MacT is not a Smid fan. I like his cap hit too..... I am unsure as to what Edmonton might be looking for in a trade.
i mentioned fistric because hes a UFA, hes someone we can go after.. trades are only gossip talk . smid would be a much better option than fistric but he's more of a top 4 player and we dont have alot of caproom left (we would also have to give up assets to get him), especially when we have to resign emelin, subban and eller next year. all we need is a cheap 5-6 replacement until emelin comes back

worse case scenario we could roll with bouillon as our 6th or maybe even drewiske. i really liked how he handled himself last season


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Zetterberg turns 33 at season's start, Datsyuk turns 35 this month, Franzen will be 34 two months into the season and Samuelsson will be 37, Bertuzzi is 38, Alfie is 40. Five players over 35.....with Tatar having no choice but to be in Detroit at season's start, the team will have 8 forwards under 6-0.....how can Detroit even compete this season? Their fans must be miserable about this....
Very true. Your example shows that if a team with skill and heart work together anything is possible.....Det 3rd and 4th lines are average....but they play big and peruse the puck like a dog after a bone...just like the first 2 lines set as a example.

The habs did this for 3/4 of the season last year....but for what ever reason they died near the end of the year....if they can continue to do this I see no problem in them to surprise ppl

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id like it...he was one of the pens best players in the playoffs...clearly has some gas left in the tank in a third line role

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I would trade DD, Drewskie and Diaz for a top 4 D that can play physical. Then you can go get Morrow and I think that would be a good line up.
Lets go after Chara!

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i mentioned fistric because hes a UFA, hes someone we can go after.. trades are only gossip talk . smid would be a much better option than fistric but he's more of a top 4 player and we dont have alot of caproom left (we would also have to give up assets to get him), especially when we have to resign emelin, subban and eller next year. all we need is a cheap 5-6 replacement until emelin comes back

worse case scenario we could roll with bouillon as our 6th or maybe even drewiske. i really liked how he handled himself last season
surprised such a great D isnt signed yet

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If the money's good for both sides, one year of Morrow I could see. I can see Carbo helping the Habs making it happen too.

I like the idea. But like mentionned previously, we could kick Dan Cleary's tires too.

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