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07-10-2013, 04:27 PM
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Maybe you could implore us as to who has an NHL future then since you've been attending these camps since 2006. All I'm saying is not to get too high or too low on these friggin' kids for performing in drills. Posting your insights is fine, others have done it without being overly critical or decisive in their descriptions of how guys looked performing. You said someone was disappointing and didn't like their fundamentals and left it at that.

And this is why I don't place much merit to what is written on these boards when fans attend these things, but hey, if it paints a definitive picture for some of you then by all means, carry on with what you're doing.

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Maybe you could implore us as to who has an NHL future then since you've been attending these camps since 2006. All I'm saying is not to get too high or too low on these friggin' kids for performing in drills. Posting your insights is fine, others have done it without being overly critical or decisive in their descriptions of how guys looked performing. You said someone was disappointing and didn't like their fundamentals and left it at that.

And this is why I don't place much merit to what is written on these boards when fans attend these things, but hey, if it paints a definitive picture for some of you then by all means, carry on with what you're doing.
Dude, I AM TYPING ON MY PHONE! I was going to explain further when I could relax in my hotel room! You're the one jumping to ****ing conclusions based off of one sentence.

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I came here looking for info on three particular players, got this...
I didn't see the Dman drills just when they were in the big group sessions. It was rough for Dmen because it was 3 on 3 mostly and lots of space. Gravel did have good positional sense, nothing flashy but what you'd expect out of a stay at home Dman.

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It's an observation and an opinion. Ziggy, who've been around long enough to take these with a grain of salt. Maybe other will agree with KP and maybe some will disagree. Constructive debate is healthy. I for one, don't get a chance to make it up to watch these camps. I enjoy the opinions of those that do attend, even if I read something that's not a glowing report. It's info and thanks to those that give it.

We all know who has a shot at a roster spot this season. In the past, it was much more wide open who could earn a spot. Day 2 will be different than day 3 and day 4.

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I'll try to add more of my observations of yesterday but still on phone since my laptop die.

Andreoff looked quicker, stronger and more determine than others, and after the forward practice he and Dowd got some fighting instructions.

Shore looked good during individual drills but I didn't notice him much on the 3 on 3.

Mersch seemed to put the puck in the net the most out of anybody.

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Toffoli and Pearson looked the best out of all the forwards and had a nice rivalry going including Toffoli knocking Pearson down behind the net at one point.
They both seemed to have the hardest shots among the forwards.

Zykov seemed pretty confident and fearless. Wasn't afraid to go straight to the net or into the boards.

Kitsyn and Auger were big bodies, Kitsyn used his a little bit better. Both have an awkward stride.

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My man Auger looks terrible today.

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Miller is truly a sleeper prospect. Was one of the best dmen in the CHL last year and has great tools. I think he'll thrive in Manch this year.
Miller and Roach took unbelievable strides last year. This coming year is huge for both of them. Following up such a big year is going to be tough.

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Miller and Roach took unbelievable strides last year. This coming year is huge for both of them. Following up such a big year is going to be tough.
Is Roach able to go to Manchester or does he return to juniors?

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Is Roach able to go to Manchester or does he return to juniors?
He can go to Manchester. I believe he also can go back for an overage year in Calgary too.

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I'll try to add more of my observations of yesterday but still on phone since my laptop die.

Andreoff looked quicker, stronger and more determine than others, and after the forward practice he and Dowd got some fighting instructions.

Shore looked good during individual drills but I didn't notice him much on the 3 on 3.

Mersch seemed to put the puck in the net the most out of anybody.
Fighting instructions from who???

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Fighting instructions from who???
Didn't recognize the coach but after the forward group 4 took place in some little fighting drills including having one hand strapped into a boxing glove.

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Fighting instructions from who???
Chuck Zito.

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I thought this was a media day, not a lot of information being passed down.

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Okay, this post is going to be specifically about the drills on 7/10/13. If you want my reactions of players' performances, you'll have to wait. Sorry.

The first session in the morning was the forwards. These were the drills they did:
1. Stickhandle from goal line to goal line, sometimes changing to backhand then back to forehand.
2. Stickhandle around a pylon in the face off dot. Shoot the puck. Receive a pass in the slot and shoot the puck. Skate around the opposite face-off dot, receive a pass and shoot the puck. Basically they were practicing shooting from their natural wing, the slot, and their off wing.
3. Carry the puck in and shoot
4. They set up a broken "V"... so it looks like a \ / with the wide end open towards the net. There were two red markers just a bit before the narrow end and about as wide. There was also a pylon at the opposing blue line. The players, from behind the goal line, had to carry the puck out to the opposing blueline, around the pylon, and carry the puck back towards the goal. The player had to skate between the red markers, but keep the puck outside the red markers, then carry the puck to the outside of the broken V and shoot. I know this sounds complicated, but I can't think of a better way to describe it.
5. Figure 8, skating forward with the puck to one blue line, skating back to the other blue line in a large "8" pattern, then skate forward again, carry the puck on net and shoot.
6. Hard hockey stops in all directions while in the face-off circle at one end of the ice, then just carry the puck in to shoot.

The next session in the morning was the defensemen. These were their drills:
1. Coach dumps the puck in the corner, defenseman retrieves it and passes it out on the same side of the ice.
2. 2 defensemen battle for the puck; one is the fore-checker and one is the back-checker.
3. Same as drill #1, except when the defenseman passes it out to the point, there's another defenseman who walks the line with the puck and shoots.
4. Similar to Drill #5 with the forwards, skate from bluelne to blueline, then backskate to the first blueline and pass, go to the other side of the ice and repeat, before skating in to shoot.

The final session in the morning was for the goalies.
1. Lateral movement, and movement around the crease, followed with a quick look over the shoulder
2. Same as drill #1, except they fall down to their knees, practice kick saves, then move along the ice.
3. Practicing rebound control; invited guests would either shoot at the glove or the blocker. The goalie either had to catch the puck to hold on (if shot glove) or steer the puck away to a safe area (if shot blocker)
4. Shots from the point
5. Shots from the point, except there were two nets and four goalies... what did one goalie on each side do? Put his stick aside and act as a screen for the goalie trying to block the shot. On one side of the ice, the screening goalie was higher up in the slot. On the other side, the screening goalie was pretty much in the face of the defending goalie.

Finally, there was the afternoon session, with all three groups:
1. Stickhandle the puck from goal line to goal line.
2. Skate in and shoot
3. Dump the puck in, the puck would then be carried to the blue line, before the players turned around to make a 3-on-1.
4. Dump the puck in, then do a 2-on-1 breakout.
5. Dump the puck, breakout pass to the opposite blueline, then the defender at the opposite blueline would pass the puck forward to create a 2-on-1 (practicing transition game)
6. 3-on-2 attacks, with a #3 forward rushing back to break up the odd-man rush
7. 3-on-3 scrimmage

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Maybe you could implore us as to who has an NHL future then since you've been attending these camps since 2006. All I'm saying is not to get too high or too low on these friggin' kids for performing in drills. Posting your insights is fine, others have done it without being overly critical or decisive in their descriptions of how guys looked performing. You said someone was disappointing and didn't like their fundamentals and left it at that.

And this is why I don't place much merit to what is written on these boards when fans attend these things, but hey, if it paints a definitive picture for some of you then by all means, carry on with what you're doing.


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Okay, this post is going to be specifically about the drills on 7/10/13. If you want my reactions of players' performances, you'll have to wait. Sorry.

The first session in the morning was the forwards. These were the drills they did:
1. Stickhandle from goal line to goal line, sometimes changing to backhand then back to forehand.
2. Stickhandle around a pylon in the face off dot. Shoot the puck. Receive a pass in the slot and shoot the puck. Skate around the opposite face-off dot, receive a pass and shoot the puck. Basically they were practicing shooting from their natural wing, the slot, and their off wing.
3. Carry the puck in and shoot
4. They set up a broken "V"... so it looks like a \ / with the wide end open towards the net. There were two red markers just a bit before the narrow end and about as wide. There was also a pylon at the opposing blue line. The players, from behind the goal line, had to carry the puck out to the opposing blueline, around the pylon, and carry the puck back towards the goal. The player had to skate between the red markers, but keep the puck outside the red markers, then carry the puck to the outside of the broken V and shoot. I know this sounds complicated, but I can't think of a better way to describe it.
5. Figure 8, skating forward with the puck to one blue line, skating back to the other blue line in a large "8" pattern, then skate forward again, carry the puck on net and shoot.
6. Hard hockey stops in all directions while in the face-off circle at one end of the ice, then just carry the puck in to shoot.

The next session in the morning was the defensemen. These were their drills:
1. Coach dumps the puck in the corner, defenseman retrieves it and passes it out on the same side of the ice.
2. 2 defensemen battle for the puck; one is the fore-checker and one is the back-checker.
3. Same as drill #1, except when the defenseman passes it out to the point, there's another defenseman who walks the line with the puck and shoots.
4. Similar to Drill #5 with the forwards, skate from bluelne to blueline, then backskate to the first blueline and pass, go to the other side of the ice and repeat, before skating in to shoot.

The final session in the morning was for the goalies.
1. Lateral movement, and movement around the crease, followed with a quick look over the shoulder
2. Same as drill #1, except they fall down to their knees, practice kick saves, then move along the ice.
3. Practicing rebound control; invited guests would either shoot at the glove or the blocker. The goalie either had to catch the puck to hold on (if shot glove) or steer the puck away to a safe area (if shot blocker)
4. Shots from the point
5. Shots from the point, except there were two nets and four goalies... what did one goalie on each side do? Put his stick aside and act as a screen for the goalie trying to block the shot. On one side of the ice, the screening goalie was higher up in the slot. On the other side, the screening goalie was pretty much in the face of the defending goalie.

Finally, there was the afternoon session, with all three groups:
1. Stickhandle the puck from goal line to goal line.
2. Skate in and shoot
3. Dump the puck in, the puck would then be carried to the blue line, before the players turned around to make a 3-on-1.
4. Dump the puck in, then do a 2-on-1 breakout.
5. Dump the puck, breakout pass to the opposite blueline, then the defender at the opposite blueline would pass the puck forward to create a 2-on-1 (practicing transition game)
6. 3-on-2 attacks, with a #3 forward rushing back to break up the odd-man rush
7. 3-on-3 scrimmage
Thanks KP can't wait for you to posts your thoughts about the players performance during each drill.

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Players who stood out (Forwards)
(37) Nick Shore - I was shocked at how much he has improved from last year. His shot looks like it's as good as Toffoli's, in terms of release, power, and accuracy. His legs were really moving, and he had a decent speed. Could definitely stand to go faster. My biggest criticism is he seemed to force the pass a few times.
(38) Valentin Zykov - He was a bit stocky, not as much as I thought he would be. He was otherwise unremarkable. I didn't see a problem with his skating as was originally reported.
(42) Scott Sabourin - He didn't stand out, though he did have a couple nice wrist shots. Got better as the day went on.
(48) Maxim Kitsyn - He hasn't completely lost his silly stride, sometimes looks like he's mounting a horse. Had the most impressive puck control out of all the players, just silky smooth stickhandling (and I HATE that phrase, but it's actually appropriate). Scored the nicest goal of the day, where he did about 10 dekes, weaves, and headfakes in four seconds to put Jack Johnson to shame, then the net behind the goalie flung out as the puck got by. I didn't even see a shot.
(55) Michael Mersch - A bit heavy on his feet, leading to slow strides, but has a dangerous shot. Not as thick as I remember from last year, so maybe he's added some lean muscle? Showed some good defense during the 3-on-2 with a backchecker drill.
(60) Jordan Weal - Tries very hard. Very passionate and voices his displeasure with himself. Scored a flukey goal in the 3-on-3 scrimmage when it had a double deflection before bouncing into the net.
(64) Andy Andreoff - To me, he had the best day out of any prospect. The best way I can word it is he embodies "will." He doesn't make the nice play; he just plays hard, drives with the puck, has a scary shot (it was second best behind Toffoli), and just practices the good habits in practice. Especially with the stickhandling drills, he was the only player I consistently saw skating with his head up the entire time.
(70) Tanner Pearson - He pretty much did everything well, but nothing spectacular. Had a nice wrist shot goal during the 3-on-3 scrimmage.
(73) Tyler Toffoli - His exceptional shot wasn't on full display today, but he puts in an honest effort and like Pearson, does everything well.
(78) Cam Maclise - He got better as the day went on. Had a couple creative movements with the puck to create scoring chances for hie linemates. Scored a goal in the 3-on-3.
(79) Justin Auger - He's 6'6, but the strength of his shot was usually on par with Jordan Weal, who's 5'10. He could really benefit from learning to add weight to his shot. Lacks first step quickness.

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Thanks much, KP. Appreciate all the details.

I saw Nick Shore at DU the last 2 years and he did improve last year.
I think he has been working out non-stop, ever since he signed late in
the season; the Kings had about a half dozen regular season games left and he never went to Manch and just trained. So, he has been traing non-stop for a few months in LA. I am sure that has made a big difference in his skills and skating.

I think Shore will do great in Manch this year and may even have a shot at 4th line center now.

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Players who stood out (Defense)

(40) Nick Ebert - What stood out most for him was his shot on the point. He frequently shot low, hard shots that could be deflected. His skating and balance was decent, but he didn't really show off a lot of strength.
(54) Kevin Gravel - He played with a fair amount of grit and defensive discipline. His shot has improved a little, with more weight behind his shot, but it looks like it still has a long way to go.
(56) Kurtis Macdermid - He looked like the most improved player from last year, and he was surprisingly good back then. For a player his size, he is very mobile, and he's very strong on his feet. During the drill with the two defensemen battling for the puck, it looked like Colin Miller was putting all the weight he could to move Macdermid, to no avail. Played with a little less edge than Gravel, but still not shy with getting involved in the rough stuff.
(61) Colin Miller - He moved the puck very well; his skating was fair. Made a nice play for Maclise to set up his goal for the 3-on-3.
(62) Zac Leslie - Honestly... his shot was the most impressive out of all the defensemen.
(76) Paul Ladue - Has a very quick stick that was used effectively to poke the puck off of attacking player's sticks. Didn't shot a lot of strength, but good feet work.
(84) Derek Forbort - He got better as the day went on. Used his reach well to clog up passing lanes. However, I am concerned because I do not see any improvement in his skating. His footwork is slow and seemingly uncertain. He doesn't generate a lot of strength from his strides; his feet seem on the heavy side. It doesn't look like an effort issue. It just looks... inefficient. Moreover, I don't seem him try a slap shot that often; he mostly employs a wrist shot. I do think there's plenty of time for him... but I think he's missing a certain swagger allowing him to do everything with a lot more authority. I do think his greatest asset is what doesn't get displayed often in practice - he looks to have a very good hockey IQ.

Goalies
(35) J-F Berube - By far the most polished of the goalies. Plays a style very similar to Bernier; very technical and casual to a fault. He made every save look easy, but when it came to good practice habits, he wasn't very sharp in pretending to look over his shoulder.
(46) Alex Fotinos - He has a really bad habit of letting his glove drop for no reason. He lets in a lot of goals he shouldn't. In the morning, he seemingly looked defeated every time a puck got by him... his head would sag, he would slowly get up, and then he'd get ready again. The demeanor wasn't as defeated looking in the afternoon, but it was very obvious this was an 18 year-old who had a lot of growing up to do.
(65) Patrik Bartosak - He battled a bit, but he struggled with keeping himself square to the shooter. He also held his glove awkwardly during the morning drills. It was held out like he was ready to shake someone's hand. Also made some saves he seemingly had no business making
(75) Mathias Niederberger - Seems to be a very focused goalie who is trying to learn good habits, but is very scrambly like Quick; better positionally than Bartosak, but weaker technically than Berube.

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thanks KP.

very encouraged by andreoff and kitsyn. Real glad maxim is back on the kings radar.

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Okay, this post is going to be specifically about the drills on 7/10/13. If you want my reactions of players' performances, you'll have to wait. Sorry.

The first session in the morning was the forwards. These were the drills they did:
1. Stickhandle from goal line to goal line, sometimes changing to backhand then back to forehand.
2. Stickhandle around a pylon in the face off dot. Shoot the puck. Receive a pass in the slot and shoot the puck. Skate around the opposite face-off dot, receive a pass and shoot the puck. Basically they were practicing shooting from their natural wing, the slot, and their off wing.
3. Carry the puck in and shoot
4. They set up a broken "V"... so it looks like a \ / with the wide end open towards the net. There were two red markers just a bit before the narrow end and about as wide. There was also a pylon at the opposing blue line. The players, from behind the goal line, had to carry the puck out to the opposing blueline, around the pylon, and carry the puck back towards the goal. The player had to skate between the red markers, but keep the puck outside the red markers, then carry the puck to the outside of the broken V and shoot. I know this sounds complicated, but I can't think of a better way to describe it.
5. Figure 8, skating forward with the puck to one blue line, skating back to the other blue line in a large "8" pattern, then skate forward again, carry the puck on net and shoot.
6. Hard hockey stops in all directions while in the face-off circle at one end of the ice, then just carry the puck in to shoot.

The next session in the morning was the defensemen. These were their drills:
1. Coach dumps the puck in the corner, defenseman retrieves it and passes it out on the same side of the ice.
2. 2 defensemen battle for the puck; one is the fore-checker and one is the back-checker.
3. Same as drill #1, except when the defenseman passes it out to the point, there's another defenseman who walks the line with the puck and shoots.
4. Similar to Drill #5 with the forwards, skate from bluelne to blueline, then backskate to the first blueline and pass, go to the other side of the ice and repeat, before skating in to shoot.

The final session in the morning was for the goalies.
1. Lateral movement, and movement around the crease, followed with a quick look over the shoulder
2. Same as drill #1, except they fall down to their knees, practice kick saves, then move along the ice.
3. Practicing rebound control; invited guests would either shoot at the glove or the blocker. The goalie either had to catch the puck to hold on (if shot glove) or steer the puck away to a safe area (if shot blocker)
4. Shots from the point
5. Shots from the point, except there were two nets and four goalies... what did one goalie on each side do? Put his stick aside and act as a screen for the goalie trying to block the shot. On one side of the ice, the screening goalie was higher up in the slot. On the other side, the screening goalie was pretty much in the face of the defending goalie.

Finally, there was the afternoon session, with all three groups:
1. Stickhandle the puck from goal line to goal line.
2. Skate in and shoot
3. Dump the puck in, the puck would then be carried to the blue line, before the players turned around to make a 3-on-1.
4. Dump the puck in, then do a 2-on-1 breakout.
5. Dump the puck, breakout pass to the opposite blueline, then the defender at the opposite blueline would pass the puck forward to create a 2-on-1 (practicing transition game)
6. 3-on-2 attacks, with a #3 forward rushing back to break up the odd-man rush
7. 3-on-3 scrimmage

Thanks for posting this. So it was a standard RD camp schedule.

Good to know.

Thanks for the follow up on what you saw in the prospects today. Lots of fun to read. Keep em coming.


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Thanks Kings Pawn for the awesome write up as usual.

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