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07-10-2013, 05:58 PM
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No it's not, not even close from Edmonton's POV.
...or from Arizona's POV!!!

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OEL is a great defenceman, don't get me wrong but no way in hell is he worth that. I would do Ebs for him straight and that is pretty fair really.
Yeah YOU would, but Maloney wouldn't. Maloney doesn't want an even swap when it comes to his high profile players, he wants an overpayment.

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It would take something stupid like Nuge, Yakupov, and Klefbom to even get that conversation started. I'm dead serious. Let's stop while we are ahead.
That's just ridiculous OEL is an amazing D man, but, there's 3-5 players in the league that would demand such a return and OEL is not one of them

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It would take something stupid like Nuge, Yakupov, and Klefbom to even get that conversation started. I'm dead serious. Let's stop while we are ahead.
You should have stopped before making that post then...

Eberle for OEL isn't close. Yakupov for OEL doesn't make sense for phoenix because they're losing their #1D for a winger who may be better someday.

Realistically OEL is worth ~ Hall. Cant see either team wanting to do that.

Phoenix fans can spend all day saying that #1Dmen>#1Wingers, but at the end of the day winning teams have strengths in all positions. This huge imbalance between the importance of positions is fashion, not substance.

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That's just ridiculous OEL is an amazing D man, but, there's 3-5 players in the league that would demand such a return and OEL is not one of them
There isn't a player in the league worth that. At all. That's a possible franchise center, possible franchise winger, and top pairing prospect. You could get Crosby/Malkin for that and still come out a loser by miles.

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No it's not, not even close from Edmonton's POV.
I didn't say it was. I just said it was more reasonable. OEL is that valuable.

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Both for Ekman makes for good value. Not a fit for Yotes unless they decide to change style.

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You should have stopped before making that post then...

Eberle for OEL isn't close. Yakupov for OEL doesn't make sense for phoenix because they're losing their #1D for a winger who may be better someday.

Realistically OEL is worth ~ Hall. Cant see either team wanting to do that.

Phoenix fans can spend all day saying that #1Dmen>#1Wingers, but at the end of the day winning teams have strengths in all positions. This huge imbalance between the importance of positions is fashion, not substance.
.....and we have strength in all positions. Which is why we have been a highly competitive team for multiple years now. We aren't going to trade our number one defenseman for a 1st line winger when you have a higher chance of drafting one mid-first round, rather than praying for a lottery pick to get another defenseman to fill his role.

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Hall
Nuge
Yakupov
Eberle
Schultz
Klefbom

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OEL

Deal?

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There isn't a player in the league worth that. At all. That's a possible franchise center, possible franchise winger, and top pairing prospect. You could get Crosby/Malkin for that and still come out a loser by miles.
Yeah maybe it wouldn't take Nuge, Eberle/Yak and Klefbom, but it would definitely take more than just Yakupov or Eberle.

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There isn't a player in the league worth that. At all. That's a possible franchise center, possible franchise winger, and top pairing prospect. You could get Crosby/Malkin for that and still come out a loser by miles.
Only Oiler fans would suggest a collection of young players (however talented) that have collectively proved nothing would be worth more than league MVPs. There's the disconnect. I clearly stated it would take a stupid over-payment for Maloney to entertain the idea. Coyote fans are not interested in discussing the merits of a 'value for value' trade.

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Both teams dealing from a strength to address a weakness.

To Phoenix - Jordan Eberle or Nail Yakupov

To Edmonton - OEL

Go!
Wouldn't do that if I am Phoenix, you need to sweeten the pot a lot more for me to even part with OEL.

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Hall
Nuge
Yakupov
Eberle
Schultz
Klefbom

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OEL

Deal?
what would you want from the Coyotes for Nuge?? Guarantee most of you will say OEL+


In fact i have seen Edmonton fans suggest it. Let's just each keep our favorite shiny toys and call it day.

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Only Oiler fans would suggest a collection of young players (however talented) that have collectively proved nothing would be worth more than league MVPs. There's the disconnect. I clearly stated it would take a stupid over-payment for Maloney to entertain the idea. Coyote fans are not interested in discussing the merits of a 'value for value' trade.
Bingo. End of story.

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There isn't a player in the league worth that. At all. That's a possible franchise center, possible franchise winger, and top pairing prospect. You could get Crosby/Malkin for that and still come out a loser by miles.
The fact is that OEL is a #1 D right now, and can still get better; he fits the Yotes perfectly, and is a rare commodity in the league. Either Eberle or Yaq by himself doesn't come close to the value of someone like OEL.

Like I said, 2 of your big 4 is the STARTING place for negotiations; anything less wouldn't even get you a return phone call.

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Color me surprised that the 100th OEL to Edmonton thread this year once again goes down in flames of homerism

It'll be interesting to see what all the players discussed here look like in 3-5 years. That's all I have left to say.

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Only way Phoenix even entertains a deal of OEL is if Taylor Hall is coming the other way.

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No, not even for both. End of thread.
You're being ridiculous

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Phoenix says no and then offers OEL + 1st rounder for either have both forwards have 45+ goal seasons 2 years later. ^^

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Phoenix says no and then offers OEL + 1st rounder for either have both forwards have 45+ goal seasons 2 years later. ^^
You mean after Oliver Ekman- Larsson wins his first Norris? I doubt it.

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Oh wow......just wow.

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...or from Arizona's POV!!!
Yandle for Yak is not fair from Arizona's POV ?? Can I have a puff of what your smoking.

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Yandle for Yak is not fair from Arizona's POV ?? Can I have a puff of what your smoking.
So you don't know how good Yandle is and what he means to the Coyotes! Watch this next season and be surprised. I've seen Yandle pick up his game in the playoffs, haven't seen any of the Oilers 'top 4' in the post season, so it's hard to make any assessment of their ability to 'pick up their game' when they are needed the most.

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So you don't know how good Yandle is and what he means to the Coyotes! Watch this next season and be surprised. I've seen Yandle pick up his game in the playoffs, haven't seen any of the Oilers 'top 4' in the post season, so it's hard to make any assessment of their ability to 'pick up their game' when they are needed the most.
Yandle is a ridiculously overrated Dman who only looks good inside of PHX's system. I'd want nothing to do with him.

Way too many people out to lunch on value for those players. Oilers "NOPE" it up all day on that proposal.

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Yandle is a ridiculously overrated Dman who only looks good inside of PHX's system. I'd want nothing to do with him.

Way too many people out to lunch on value for those players. Oilers "NOPE" it up all day on that proposal.
I don't like it when you say out to lunch on value for those players! You should have stated that the value is to their respective teams and how they are built around that type of players. To think that the Coyotes have a defense first system and their top offensive player is a d-man should give you pause to think about his true value! His stats would increase on an offense first system. But I do agree that Yandle wouldn't perform well in such an undisciplined enigmatic system that has been Oilers hockey. On a team like the Bruins or Flyers his stats would be between at least 10 to 20% higher.

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