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07-10-2013, 05:07 PM
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Dumont isn't frail.

Perron and Paajarvi could take him on at the same time and lose.

MacTavish wanted the Oilers to get bigger.



Or Pietrangelo.

Either way, I think it was unlikely we'd get Stewart anyways.
I think it's still a possibility, but I'll stand with my previous post, that MB is done. Was done since July 5th , 4PM in the after-noon.

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07-10-2013, 05:16 PM
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Dumont isn't frail.

Perron and Paajarvi could take him on at the same time and lose.

MacTavish wanted the Oilers to get bigger.



Or Pietrangelo.

Either way, I think it was unlikely we'd get Stewart anyways.
no Dumont is not frail for sure, tons of spunk, leaves it all on the ice

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I'm glad we didn't trade for Perron, skilled player but still soft. The only real downside I truly see is now the possibility of St Louis trading Stewart is dead in the water and that's a player I've coveted for a long time.

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Does this mean that the Blues have enough money to re-sign Stewart now?
yes

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07-10-2013, 05:21 PM
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bruins just gave rask 8 years at 7 million

i thought he would get 6

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We get lockouts each 6 years about ****ing money problems..

And ...

More throwing money away.. Freaking dumb people

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07-10-2013, 05:30 PM
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Would MB just sign Fistric so we can call it a Free Agency for God's sake lol.

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Would MB just sign Fistric so we can call it a Free Agency for God's sake lol.
Waiting to see how the Laffs handle Franson...may be a chance to jump in...

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Waiting to see how the Laffs handle Franson...may be a chance to jump in...
Franson was a complete disaster defensively in the playoffs... but I like the offense he brings.

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Stubbs' Briere article
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...372/story.html

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We get lockouts each 6 years about ****ing money problems..

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More throwing money away.. Freaking dumb people
Not sure how they're throwing money away...they're spending what's allowed to them under the cap

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Really great article, read it, happy for him to be a hab.

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This "frenzy" is quickly turning into a snoozefest.

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Bergevin was on Perron. He tryed to get him but came probably 2nd.


Nice job, of not closing on a deal, again.
The equivalent of Paajarvi + 2nd is probably Tinordi + 2nd.

So good job on NOT making a deal here.

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paarrvi and a 2nd...what would that equate to from the habs?
IMO, Tinordi + 2nd.

Not that we would use Perron, but we need more Tinordi than Perron... Certainly at this point.

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we get lockouts each 6 years about ****ing money problems..

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People seem dead set on wanting MB to make a trade just to entertain in the off season. It seems people aren't happy unles he overhauls the roster. X team signed this guy, where was MB. This team made a trade, so mtl should

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amen
A team can spend up to 64M before the next season begins

Why shld they hold on to cap space?

The money is there to be used

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People seem dead set on wanting MB to make a trade just to entertain in the off season. It seems people aren't happy unles he overhauls the roster. X team signed this guy, where was MB. This team made a trade, so mtl should
Kinda agreed here...however I will say that this offseason, unlike no other, will allow MB the opportunity to get creative and make a trade to improve this teams going forward

Moreso then any other offseason in recent memory, the trade market can really change the dynamics of your teams

Hope MB is wise and judicious because I'm convinced a 'core-shaking' move will be made this summer

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A team can spend up to 64M before the next season begins

Why shld they hold on to cap space?

The money is there to be used
Ever heard of trading during the season to fill holes? We can't know the holes for sure until the team play. Don't spend money for the sake of it.

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Ever heard of trading during the season to fill holes? We can't know the holes for sure until the team play. Don't spend money for the sake of it.
But they had a trade they wanted to do now? What difference does it make?

Don't spend money for the sake of it?

Lol you really think teams are shelling out big money without clearing it with ownership/management first?

Cap space does not equal a better team...it's just dead money, it doesn't gain interest, etc.

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And lost it altogether when it mattered most (or, excuse me, when he stopped getting paycheques). Weird huh? Briere put up more points in his last playoff appearance in half as many games as Jagr played this year, are we just sweeping that under the rug?
"Lost it"? When was this? And someone put up more points two years ago than someone else did this year under completely different circumstances?! Call, nay, STOP the presses.

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He "helped" his team to the final in the same way that Tomas Kaberle "helped" the Bruins win it a few years ago. Both players brought roughly the same contribution.
No. No they didn't. A 5th defenseman getting cut from 18 mins/game in the regular season to 16 mins/game in the playoffs isn't contributing the same as a top 6 forward maintaining an 18 min/night role. It might make you feel better to think this way, but it's simply not true no matter how semantically or subjectively you try to flesh out the matter.

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In fact (and this is hilarious to even say), Kaberle outscored Jagr in their playoff runs.
Kaberle also outscored Chara that year. Where are you going with this?

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But of course, I realize even as I type this I'm setting myself up for another sermon in "puck protection" that Jagr's fans love to default back to.
He's going to be a 1st ballot hall of famer largely BECAUSE of that very attribute. And guess what? He still does it very well - much better than Briere, for example.

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How do you figure it would have failed me? His production tanked halfway through the year with the Flyers, and it tanked at what would have been the halfway point last year too. That's two years of similar results, why am I out of line in predicting in will happen for a third year? Typically the production of 41 year olds trends downward, not upward. In case that got forgotten along the way.
Seriously, stop making up all this tanking stuff - particularly if you're going to compare him to Briere. Have you even checked Jagr's splits to double-check what you're saying? This year he had 12 points in 13 games in March, and 9 points in 12 games in April. That makes 21 points in 25 games in the second half... as a 40 year old. Even in '11/12 (his first season back in the NHL after 5 years and KHL conditioned) he still had 20 points over the last 33 games of the season. Know how Briere closed out the same season on the same team? 17 points in his last 28 games. "Obvious" difference there.

Same goes for 36 year olds. And by all accounts, Jagr handled 40 MUCH better than Briere handled 35, so...

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I really don't have much interest in playing the "what could have been" game, so, okay.

I don't care if Briere is French, English, Turkish or Mandalorian, I just think he'll help us more than Jagr, which is all I'm really arguing.
I don't care either, I just happen to understand and believe quite differently than you. Briere helping ANY team more than Jagr is too much of a stretch imo, let alone our already smurf-laden and relatively soft lineup - and I don't have to rely on what happened 2 or 3 years ago to support my opinion of what to expect next year.

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Clearly, you've forgotten what city you'd be signing him to play in. I'd be very interested to see the reaction in the media if our "PP specialist" went 20 games without scoring a goal in Montreal. Guy would be "dying alive" all over again.
No one from outside of Quebec cares what the Quebec media has to say, and you can be sure Jagr wouldn't either. These guys are accountable only to the other guys in the locker room, not windbags on TV or the sheep fans who subscribe to their opinions.


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07-10-2013, 07:27 PM
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"Lost it"? When was this? And someone put up more points two years ago than someone else did this year under completely different circumstances?! Call, nay, STOP the presses.



No. No they didn't. A 5th defenseman getting cut from 18 mins/game in the regular season to 16 mins/game in the playoffs isn't contributing the same as a top 6 forward maintaining an 18 min/night role. It might make you feel better to think this way, but it's simply not true no matter how semantically or subjectively you try to flesh out the matter.



Kaberle also outscored Chara that year. Where are you going with this?



He's going to be a 1st ballot hall of famer largely BECAUSE of that very attribute. And guess what? He still does it very well - much better than Briere, for example.



Seriously, stop making up all this tanking stuff - particularly if you're going to compare him to Briere. Have you even checked Jagr's splits to double-check what you're saying? This year he had 12 points in 13 games in March, and 9 points in 12 games in April. That makes 21 points in 25 games in the second half... as a 40 year old. Even in '11/12 (his first season back in the NHL after 5 years and KHL conditioned) he still had 20 points over the last 33 games of the season. Know how Briere closed out the same season on the same team? 17 points in his last 28 games. "Obvious" difference there.

Same goes for 36 year olds. And by all accounts, Jagr handled 40 MUCH better than Briere handled 35, so...



I don't care either, I just happen to understand and believe quite differently than you. Briere helping ANY team more than Jagr is too much of a stretch imo, let alone our already smurf-laden and relatively soft lineup - and I don't have to rely on what happened 2 or 3 years ago to support my opinion of what to expect next year.



No one from outside of Quebec cares what the Quebec media has to say, and you can be sure Jagr wouldn't either. These guys are accountable only to the other guys in the locker room, not windbags on TV or the sheep fans who subscribe to their opinions.
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07-10-2013, 07:35 PM
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But they had a trade they wanted to do now? What difference does it make?

Don't spend money for the sake of it?

Lol you really think teams are shelling out big money without clearing it with ownership/management first?

Cap space does not equal a better team...it's just dead money, it doesn't gain interest, etc.
while technically true... it's kinda weird to have owners complaining they're not making (enough) money and go on lockout to fix it... and see them less that a year later giving, 5, 6 or 7 Mil a year contracts like it's just spare change.

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