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07-10-2013, 06:44 PM
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while technically true... it's kinda weird to have owners complaining they're not making (enough) money and go on lockout to fix it... and see them less that a year later giving, 5, 6 or 7 Mil a year contracts like it's just spare change.
Well it kinda is spare change in a way I guess lol

And anyways, it's not like the money that's not used for salary, is revenue for owners

It's all salary dollars and there's a cap on the amount they can spend for that.

A few teams have some self-imposed caps but most teams, spend up to or close to the salary cap

That's why it always kills me to see fans fuss over cap space.

It's not necessarily how much you spend, it's who you spend it on...

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07-10-2013, 06:52 PM
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What would you offer for Bogosian and Wheeler from Winnipeg?
Unless it's core pieces, no sense even worrying about it...

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Eller
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Simmonds
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would this be a good trade for either side?

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would this be a good trade for either side?
First off, no way we trade Lars...second, Philly would want more than Diaz as a filler...

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07-10-2013, 07:07 PM
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would this be a good trade for either side?
well, Philly could use another C I guess...

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What would you offer for Bogosian and Wheeler from Winnipeg?
What I would Offer compared to what Bergevin would offer is probably not even close. Bergevin will not give up any core pieces or high picks for anything. Hes all about the draft. Its another 5 year plan in Montreal. Sometime, a GM has to take a chance and Bergy Does not strike me as that guy. Im not bashing him its just my opinion

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Kinda agreed here...however I will say that this offseason, unlike no other, will allow MB the opportunity to get creative and make a trade to improve this teams going forward

Moreso then any other offseason in recent memory, the trade market can really change the dynamics of your teams

Hope MB is wise and judicious because I'm convinced a 'core-shaking' move will be made this summer
I agree with you that MB has the opportunity to still do something this off season and perhaps a significant move. Given their Cap situation I still think the Flyers are a team worthy of targeting. Flyers have 25 guys signed and are $2M over the Cap. I will throw in that given how Holmgren loves to wheel and deal, he is a guy I think who would really want to be a couple million under the Cap in case he wants to tinker at the trade deadline. Coburn would be the most logical target for us. I know the talk of that huge Coburn , Simmonds and Talbot for Pleks, Moen and Nathan B trade has fizzled (more wishful thinking maybe ), but the Flyers have to do something so there still might be a trade to be had, just maybe not that one. The Pens also have Cap issues and I wonder if Orpik might be available. Only thing with Orpik is he is UFA after this season.

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I agree with you that MB has the opportunity to still do something this off season and perhaps a significant move. Given their Cap situation I still think the Flyers are a team worthy of targeting. Flyers have 25 guys signed and are $2M over the Cap. I will throw in that given how Holmgren loves to wheel and deal, he is a guy I think who would really want to be a couple million under the Cap in case he wants to tinker at the trade deadline. Coburn would be the most logical target for us. I know the talk of that huge Coburn , Simmonds and Talbot for Pleks, Moen and Nathan B trade has fizzled (more wishful thinking maybe ), but the Flyers have to do something so there still might be a trade to be had, just maybe not that one. The Pens also have Cap issues and I wonder if Orpik might be available. Only thing with Orpik is he is UFA after this season.
Lean on Homer hard for Schenn; if he won't budge, Coburn it is...

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What I would Offer compared to what Bergevin would offer is probably not even close. Bergevin will not give up any core pieces or high picks for anything. Hes all about the draft. Its another 5 year plan in Montreal. Sometime, a GM has to take a chance and Bergy Does not strike me as that guy. Im not bashing him its just my opinion
I think you are misunderstanding the 5 year plan. Gainey preached it yet after a few years blew up the core and traded young, highly touted talent, for a diminishing return. In fact until the end so did Gauther (Gomez, Lang, Moore, Wiz, etc). We lost our biggest strength (prospects) and the franchise was put in a state of mediocrity.

Trading more young talent for a young core is falling in the same trap, we simply don't have the team or prospect pool yet to risk it. Bergevin is being incredibly smart despite the senseless fan outrage (at least on these boards) because he told us upfront what he is going to do. He won't lose talent for nothing and he will build a perennial cup contender through the draft and proper development. I don't view it as a shock that many of our prospects took a huge leap this year and will continue to next year and the year after.

I think everyone needs to temper their inner want for a major trade (I have it to) and realize that Bergevin is trying to create a team that makes the playoffs and competes versus selling assets for a few years of semi-better play only to set the franchise back even further. Right now his job is to retain talent, build up the franchises prestige and attractiveness to players via savvy player management and most important ensure that we not only develop first class but draft first class.

This organization is changing into what it once was, the standard for being premier in the NHL. Give him time, after all the franchise was a complete mess when he took over. It's seems like everyone has forgot the if we can make the playoffs next year I will be happy of last off season. Would you rather be 3rd last in the league? I wouldn't.

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I think you are misunderstanding the 5 year plan. Gainey preached it yet after a few years blew up the core and traded young, highly touted talent, for a diminishing return. In fact until the end so did Gauther (Gomez, Lang, Moore, Wiz, etc). We lost our biggest strength (prospects) and the franchise was put in a state of mediocrity.

Trading more young talent for a young core is falling in the same trap, we simply don't have the team or prospect pool yet to risk it. Bergevin is being incredibly smart despite the senseless fan outrage (at least on these boards) because he told us upfront what he is going to do. He won't lose talent for nothing and he will build a perennial cup contender through the draft and proper development. I don't view it as a shock that many of our prospects took a huge leap this year and will continue to next year and the year after.

I think everyone needs to temper their inner want for a major trade (I have it to) and realize that Bergevin is trying to create a team that makes the playoffs and competes versus selling assets for a few years of semi-better play only to set the franchise back even further.
Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said...however, trading David Desharnais, who has no long-term place in this line-up with Galchenyuk & Eller our future top 2 centres, doesn't harm anything...in fact, it helps...

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07-10-2013, 08:34 PM
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Eller
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would this be a good trade for either side?
Why would both team do that?

First of all, in term of value, no way Flyers would do that.

Philly doesn't need another center... and we could not get rid of our biggest center.

You want to see Briere-Plekanec-DD as our top 3 center?

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Clearly, you've forgotten what city you'd be signing him to play in. I'd be very interested to see the reaction in the media if our "PP specialist" went 20 games without scoring a goal in Montreal. Guy would be "dying alive" all over again.
Same is true with Briere, who's signed for 2 years too.

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Eller
Diaz

for

Simmonds
Coburn

would this be a good trade for either side?
I don't see the team being much better with such a trade. While we fill out the lack of a big winger hole in the lineup, we create a hole regarding a big centre...again.

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We get lockouts each 6 years about ****ing money problems..

And ...

More throwing money away.. Freaking dumb people
Who's dumb, really? The people having lockouts, finding loop-holes, spending like crazy again, or the people encouraging that kind of behaviour by spending on NHL merchandize and tickets after being taken for granted over and over again? They're not dumb, they're feeding on the dumb...

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I don't see the team being much better with such a trade. While we fill out the lack of a big winger hole in the lineup, we create a hole regarding a big centre...again.
Simmonds is the better player. Coburn is better.

Diaz... If get anything more than a 3rd I'd be ecstatic.

Our centre depth would be small, but we'd have 3 of the 4 top 6 wingers at 6'2.

Philadelphia laughs at us and hangs up.

Also, has anyone heard of the salary cap ?

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Simmonds is the better player. Coburn is better.

Diaz... If get anything more than a 3rd I'd be ecstatic.

Our centre depth would be small, but we'd have 3 of the 4 top 6 wingers at 6'2.

Philadelphia laughs at us and hangs up.

Also, has anyone heard of the salary cap ?
not really, Simmons is a 50/60 pts player, Eller is becoming a 50+ player... while Simmonds is more physical, Eller 2 way game is better...

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Who's dumb, really? The people having lockouts, finding loop-holes, spending like crazy again, or the people encouraging that kind of behaviour by spending on NHL merchandize and tickets after being taken for granted over and over again? They're not dumb, they're feeding on the dumb...
We have met the enemy, and he is us.

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Simmonds is the better player. Coburn is better.

Diaz... If get anything more than a 3rd I'd be ecstatic.

Our centre depth would be small, but we'd have 3 of the 4 top 6 wingers at 6'2.

Philadelphia laughs at us and hangs up.

Also, has anyone heard of the salary cap ?
If the situations were reversed, we'd sure as hell want Eller on our team and make similar proposals to acquire him. I don't see an improvement in the team by swaping Eller with Simmonds. It's a bad deal for both teams.

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In looking at the Scap for the Flyers, do we forget that Pronger is on LTIR?

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In looking at the Scap for the Flyers, do we forget that Pronger is on LTIR?
I don't know if Capgeek take this in account, interesting !

Looking at their roster they really need to get rid of a defenseman, probably Grossmann IMO. The habs should look at this and maybe Hartnell who I can see available.

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I don't know if Capgeek take this in account, interesting !

Looking at their roster they really need to get rid of a defenseman, probably Grossmann IMO. The habs should look at this and maybe Hartnell who I can see available.
Grossman for Diaz.

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I don't know if Capgeek take this in account, interesting !

Looking at their roster they really need to get rid of a defenseman, probably Grossmann IMO. The habs should look at this and maybe Hartnell who I can see available.
Speaking of tight to the cap, I was surprised to see the Blue Jackets have the 5th highest cap payroll in the league right now. 13th highest in salary, but near the tops in terms of least amount of cap space.

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Grossman for Diaz.
You need 3 PMD on the roster to be competitive in the NHL now, so I can't see Diaz being traded for a defensive guy, plus the Flyers have too many body on D they won't trade for another.

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Speaking of tight to the cap, I was surprised to see the Blue Jackets have the 5th highest cap payroll in the league right now. 13th highest in salary, but near the tops in terms of least amount of cap space.
Yeah I guess the owner was willing to pay, I really like their roster for next season, but I think there's a change they trade a forward.

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Coburn would be a good fit but I would be mad if MB trades Beaulieu for him.

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