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07-10-2013, 11:56 PM
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Not even sure where these numbers come from Joensuu, Brown, Eager, and Belov are all over 209.

So there is 4 right there.
Brown is listed at 205 but i've met him and would be surprised if he's over 200, they tend to add a few pounds to every player and weigh them after a big meal.

Eager however is 236. Quite the tubby young man.

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07-11-2013, 12:46 AM
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Note to Oilers: get fat, weigh over 209, do better in the standings.

That's how it works, right?

EDIT: assuming OP got his data from nhl.com, the Flames roster also has 28 skaters listed, Oilers have 19.

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07-11-2013, 12:58 AM
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Get rid of Eberle, Gagner, Hall, RNH, Hemsky, Yakupov, Perron, J Schultz and Petry and then sign/trade for:

John Scott
Nolan Yonkman
Steve MacIntyre
Joe Finley
Theo Peckham
Douglas Murray
Brian Boyle
Hal Gill
Mike Rupp


Instant Cup.

C'mon MacT... Get BOLD.

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All kidding aside here's the list of the weights of the players who played on the team last season:

Theo Peckham 246
Ben Eager 236
Mark Fistric 233
Lennart Petrell 215
Darcy Hordichuk 215
Teemu Hartikainen 214
Ryan Whitney 209
Jerred Smithson 209
Magnus Paajarvi 208
Shawn Horcoff 208

Ladislav Smid 207
Corey Potter 206
Mike Brown 205
Nick Schultz 203
Ryan Jones 201
Jeff Petry 200
Sam Gagner 199
Taylor Hall 195
Anton Lander 194
Ryan Smyth 192
Chris VandeVelde 190
Justin Schultz 185
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 185
Eric Belanger 185
Ales Hemsky 184
Jordan Eberle 184
Nail Yakupov 184
Mark Arcobello 165

The OP does have a point... look at the top 10 heaviest Oilers on that team... EVERY single one of them is off the roster. Only Eager "may" be back.

For a team and GM wanting more meat in the lineup... they certainly have trimmed off a lot of it this summer.

Trade watch is now on for Smid to go as he's the heaviest regular remaining.

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07-11-2013, 01:11 AM
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Wayne Simmonds 6' 2" 183
Evander Kane 6' 2" 195

Originally, I thought these were the types of guys we wanted to bring in as power forwards, but they're not over 200 pounds, so we're out of luck.

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07-11-2013, 02:38 AM
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All kidding aside here's the list of the weights of the players who played on the team last season:

Theo Peckham 246
Ben Eager 236
Mark Fistric 233
Lennart Petrell 215
Darcy Hordichuk 215
Teemu Hartikainen 214
Ryan Whitney 209
Jerred Smithson 209
Magnus Paajarvi 208
Shawn Horcoff 208

Ladislav Smid 207
Corey Potter 206
Mike Brown 205
Nick Schultz 203
Ryan Jones 201
Jeff Petry 200
Sam Gagner 199
Taylor Hall 195
Anton Lander 194
Ryan Smyth 192
Chris VandeVelde 190
Justin Schultz 185
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 185
Eric Belanger 185
Ales Hemsky 184
Jordan Eberle 184
Nail Yakupov 184
Mark Arcobello 165

The OP does have a point... look at the top 10 heaviest Oilers on that team... EVERY single one of them is off the roster. Only Eager "may" be back.
The other part of looking at that list, though, is checking how effective those "heavies" were relative to smaller guys like Hall/Yakupov or even a guy like Smid. Once you do that, you wonder what the relevance of arbitrarily looking at a count of heavy players is.

Peckham and Eager were non-factors, couldn't crack the roster and were pretty much ineffective when they were there. Hordichuk was completely irrelevant, to a large extent Smithson was as well in his short stint here. Petrell was marginally useful but did he really bring anything to the team that he wouldn't have if he weighed 10 pounds less? Ryan Whitney might be the quintessential example of the irrelevance of this 209 pound cutoff - let's just ask anyone in the NHL if they think he brings more or less of a physical element to the game than his "replacement" in Ference, who unfortunately doesn't qualify for the 209-pound-club.

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07-11-2013, 08:41 AM
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The other part of looking at that list, though, is checking how effective those "heavies" were relative to smaller guys like Hall/Yakupov or even a guy like Smid. Once you do that, you wonder what the relevance of arbitrarily looking at a count of heavy players is.

Peckham and Eager were non-factors, couldn't crack the roster and were pretty much ineffective when they were there. Hordichuk was completely irrelevant, to a large extent Smithson was as well in his short stint here. Petrell was marginally useful but did he really bring anything to the team that he wouldn't have if he weighed 10 pounds less? Ryan Whitney might be the quintessential example of the irrelevance of this 209 pound cutoff - let's just ask anyone in the NHL if they think he brings more or less of a physical element to the game than his "replacement" in Ference, who unfortunately doesn't qualify for the 209-pound-club.
He might have fought less (not that he fought often)...but not sure if it would have had an impact...overall what you mention here is very true. Ference, for example, willbring more bang than Whitney ever did.

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07-11-2013, 11:15 AM
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07-11-2013, 11:22 AM
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Can anyone actually name a forward, playing top 6 minutes, that actually plays physical that isn't ovechkin or lucic?

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Looking at the guys on the Oilers roster they're pretty light compared to the rest of the division they're moving into. If you exclude Ben Eager (236 lbs.) who may or may not be on the roster the heaviest skater is Jesse Joensuu at 209 lbs. The average NHL weight last year was 203.5 lbs. On the current roster there are only five skaters over that weight, six if you include Klefbom.

Below I will list the other teams in the division and the number of skaters they have who are heavier than Jesse Joensuu at 209 lbs, and how many players are heavier than the NHL average weight of 203.5 lbs. Also l provided links to team rosters.

San Jose: 10 players > 209 lbs; 14 players > 203.5 lbs.
http://sharks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?navid=NAV

Los Angeles: 10 > 209 lbs; 13 > 203.5 lbs.
http://kings.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Anaheim: 9 > 209 lbs; 12 > 203.5 lbs.
http://ducks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Phoenix: 9 > 209 lbs; 10 > 203.5 lbs.
http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Vancouver: 8 > 209 lbs; 9 > 203.5 lbs.
http://canucks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Calgary: 6 > 209 lbs; 6 > 203.5 lbs.
http://flames.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Edmonton 0 > 209lbs; 5 or 6 > 203.5
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

I think it's fair to say the Oilers need help in the size department.
So....where's Chicago as a comparison?

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So Chicago had 5 guys on their team over 209 lbs. 6 if you include Bollig who only played 5 games. Stalberg is listed right at 209 lbs.

Below are links to Chicago's current roster which doesn't have any new players besides Khabby, and to the NHL stats page showing who played on their Stanley Cup winning team. Not listed on the Blackhawks site are Bolland, Stalberg, Frolik, and Ben Smith.

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/roste...cation=/roster

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

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Wayne Simmonds 6' 2" 183
Evander Kane 6' 2" 195

Originally, I thought these were the types of guys we wanted to bring in as power forwards, but they're not over 200 pounds, so we're out of luck.
Gritty tough forwards that weight under 200 pounds are not wanted. We want big fat guys.

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Can anyone actually name a forward, playing top 6 minutes, that actually plays physical that isn't ovechkin or lucic?
Yakupov though I don't believe he had top 6 minutes until the end of the year

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Just sign Brendan Tedstone, he's got to be close to 400lbs by now.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=81373

Will bring our average right up...

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Just sign Brendan Tedstone, he's got to be close to 400lbs by now.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=81373

Will bring our average right up...
brilliant.

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We need to fire Eakins and hire his opposite so that all the players will get fat, but BIG!

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We need to fire Eakins and hire his opposite so that all the players will get fat, but BIG!
Fire Eakins, bring in Penner and tell him to eat as many pancakes as he wants.

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Just sign Brendan Tedstone, he's got to be close to 400lbs by now.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=81373

Will bring our average right up...
while Tedstone was a notorious hulk back in the days and the joke stands, just have to point that he turned around the corner lately (in the background)

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As MacTavish pointed out yesterday players like Lucic, players with size who can actually play decent minutes, are extremely hard to find. They're a luxury. Compete level trumps size every time. If guys like Perron, Ference and Gordon manage to increase our team's overall compete level then we'll be fine.

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As MacTavish pointed out yesterday players like Lucic, players with size who can actually play decent minutes, are extremely hard to find. They're a luxury. Compete level trumps size every time. If guys like Perron, Ference and Gordon manage to increase our team's overall compete level then we'll be fine.
That really is an incredibly key point that is being lost in the discussions somewhat.

Gordon and Ference aren't big guys but they work their butts off and make our team harder to play against. They actually work "against" us if we're simply looking at weight and height but these are the kinds of guys who make teams better on the road.

Hall and Yakupov both aren't huge guys but they're going to be tough to play against (Hall already is and Yakupov will get there). If Perron can bring a little grit to the top 6, the size issue might be a bit of a non-issue. People never seem to view Detroit as a physically weak team but their top two offensive players, Datsyuk and Zetterberg, are both under 6'0 tall. RNH reminds me a ton of Datsyuk and as he gets older and bulks up, he'll obviously become a lot stronger on the puck.


Like you said, it comes down to compete level rather than pure size. Our best cycling line the last two seasons has been Hall-RNH-Eberle.

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So Chicago had 5 guys on their team over 209 lbs. 6 if you include Bollig who only played 5 games. Stalberg is listed right at 209 lbs.

Below are links to Chicago's current roster which doesn't have any new players besides Khabby, and to the NHL stats page showing who played on their Stanley Cup winning team. Not listed on the Blackhawks site are Bolland, Stalberg, Frolik, and Ben Smith.

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/roste...cation=/roster

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary
Chicago though provides good illustration of problems in the metric. When I think players that are tough, hard to play against I don't think Stallberg. He has slightly more grit than Paajarvi imo.

On the other hand when playing the Hawks the guys you know will be in your face all day are Toews, Keith, Sharp, Shaw, Bolland. Perfect illustration that its the size of the fight in the dog that matters more. I was amazed Hawks could handle LA or Boston. Thats not something that is defined in size and weight. You can't measure pure intensity and desire.


Having said that not a knock on your thread. Its worth having as a discussion but I think a view of which players can punch at a certain weight class(regardless of actual weight) is more revealing. Throughout the playoffs I thought somebody was going to own Andrew Shaw. I was waiting for him to be sent to the promised land. Never happened. Lots of fight in that dog.

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A team lighter than us won the Stanley Cup:
http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2013/01/20...t-and-age.html
Boston is 200 lbs, and are also lighter than we were.


In fact, I see zero correlation between weight and how well a team performs.

Skill > Size

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Let's sign Laraque. He clearly would tilt the ice in our favor.

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Who caaaaaaaaaaares.

Hawks just won the Cup while severely out-weighed, and out-hit all season long.

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