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07-09-2013, 08:15 AM
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The days of the Coyotes as a floor team looks over, too. $8M under the cap, three forwards to sign including Boedker. Maybe we can force them to sign Cleary.
Owners ought to be hitting themselves over the head for their idiocy. Rather than diminishing the value of UFA, they diminished the value of trades.

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Holland is in quite the pickle with the amount of forwards signed and will be interesting on how he gets out of it

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
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Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($1.200m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.950m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
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Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Brendan Smith ($1.400m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.400m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,737,879; BONUSES: $2,850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,412,121

lots of money left to bring in another forward or depth dman at the trade deadline, solidifies the defence, keeps tootoo for "some" team toughness and ability to fight and keep teams a little bit honest
I like it, especially the addition of Edler but idk if Quincey, Tatar and a pick gets it done. He pretty much has to be a piece though for cap reasons and Tatar, Q and Smith is too much imo.

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07-09-2013, 08:48 AM
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I think Emmerton could become an interesting piece for some team because he has so small caphit. A team in caphell would welcome that contract to be 14th forward, if they don't have more than 600k of capspace to fit somebody in. Many of the weakest free agants will want more salary than Emmerton is having in these days.

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I think Emmerton could become an interesting piece for some team because he has so small caphit. A team in caphell would welcome that contract to be 14th forward, if they don't have more than 600k of capspace to fit somebody in. Many of the weakest free agants will want more salary than Emmerton is having in these days.

I expect a regular buyout for Samuelsson in august (if he is healthy, like he should be, he can't be injured forever with some muscle injury) and Emmerton traded for 7th rounder or waived.

Those moves would make room for ~2.5 million.

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Mikael Samuelsson is 36 years old on the buyout date of August 1, 2013, setting the buyout ratio at 2/3 and the total buyout cost at $2,000,000 spread over 2 years. His contract was originally valued at $6,000,000 beginning in 2012 and ending in 2014, with $3,000,000 remaining from the buyout year forward. The following is a season-by-season breakdown of the buyout. A negative buyout cap hit indicates a credit.
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SEASON 	SALARY 	CAP HIT 	BUYOUT 	SAVINGS 	BUYOUT CAP HIT
2013-14 	$3,000,000 	$3,000,000 	$1,000,000 	$2,000,000 	$1,000,000
2014-15 	$0        	$0        	$1,000,000 	-$1,000,000 	$1,000,000
TEXT CAP HIT BREAKDOWN (for copying and pasting)

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2013-14: $1,000,000
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I think Emmerton could become an interesting piece for some team because he has so small caphit. A team in caphell would welcome that contract to be 14th forward, if they don't have more than 600k of capspace to fit somebody in. Many of the weakest free agants will want more salary than Emmerton is having in these days.

I expect a regular buyout for Samuelsson in august (if he is healthy, like he should be, he can't be injured forever with some muscle injury) and Emmerton traded for 7th rounder or waived.

Those moves would make room for ~2.5 million.
We don't have anyone we can take to arbitration to get a second buyout period.

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We don't have anyone we can take to arbitration to get a second buyout period.
So now Smith files for arbitration, does this open the buyout chance for Sammy?

I heard some unofficial information from elsewhere that it will need two guys to file for arbitrator to open that regular buyout period in August for other roster players.

Can you confirm this?

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So now Smith files for arbitration, does this open the buyout chance for Sammy?

I heard some unofficial information from elsewhere that it will need two guys to file for arbitrator to open that regular buyout period in August for other roster players.

Can you confirm this?
It takes just one... I didn't think Smith could File... I must have overlooked some details.

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It takes just one... I didn't think Smith could File... I must have overlooked some details.
Any chance the Wings management hinted to Smith that they need him to file for arbitration so that they could use a buy out?

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Any chance the Wings management hinted to Smith that they need him to file for arbitration so that they could use a buy out?
Nope. That second buyout period needs two guys from same team to file for arbitration. We got only one.

Toronto, Winnipeg and Los Angeles are the only teams that got 2 or more players in arbitration. They can make those extra regular buyouts, if needed.

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Nope. That second buyout period needs two guys from same team to file for arbitration. We got only one.

Toronto, Winnipeg and Los Angeles are the only teams that got 2 or more players in arbitration. They can make those extra regular buyouts, if needed.
You don't need two arb cases. I already told you this. Unless they changed everything in the new CBA, you can't have a second buyout period if you have team elected arbitration. If the player elects arbitration, the team gets a second buyout period. You don't need two.

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Also, despite the collective CBA wisdom here, it looks like the Sharks may have a 2nd buyout period available after Goc's award/contract - the generally accepted "you need two arbitration cases" is not actually true.

A closer reading of Article 11.18 shows that the only case where a team is prevented from exercising an Ordinary Course Buy-Outs Outside the Regular Period is when the team has a single arbitration case that was team elected (for a player who earned >$1.5M) - thanks mouser for that catch.

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11.18 Ordinary Course Buy-Outs Outside the Regular Period. Clubs shall have the
right to exercise Ordinary Course Buy-Outs outside the regular period for Ordinary
Course Buy-Outs in accordance with Paragraph 13(c)(ii) of the SPC. Each Club shall be
limited to no more than three (3) such buyouts over the term of this Agreement pursuant
to Paragraph 13(c)(ii) of the SPC. However, in the event that a Club has only one salary
arbitration hearing pursuant to Section 12.3(a) in a given League Year, such Club shall
not be entitled to exercise such a buyout outside the regular period for Ordinary Course
Buy-Outs. No Club shall exercise an Ordinary Course Buy-out outside the regular period
for any Player earning less than $1 million.
Section 12.3(a) is for the club-elected arbitration on players making $1.5m or more. Since 12.3(a) is specifically called out here, that would suggest the 2nd buyout window would open if there were a single arbitration under 12.2 (player-elected), or even 12.3(b) (second clause category of team-elected)?

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You don't need two arb cases. I already told you this. Unless they changed everything in the new CBA, you can't have a second buyout period if you have team elected arbitration. If the player elects arbitration, the team gets a second buyout period. You don't need two.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=257867
Ok, thanks about this. I missed the info.

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER (My starting line-up)

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Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.788m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.605m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.400m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m)
Waive / Trade : Cory Emmerton ($0.533M)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,124,545; BONUSES: $3,010,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,185,455

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER (My starting line-up)

FORWARDS
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.788m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.605m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.400m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m)
Waive / Trade : Cory Emmerton ($0.533M)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,124,545; BONUSES: $3,010,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,185,455
Nyquist will sign in KHL before accepting that contract

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Nyquist will sign in KHL before accepting that contract
And Sammy would have a 1M cap hit if we do a regular buy out, if we even can do a regular buy out at this point.

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This should end those "Sammy/Bertuzzi to LTIR" speculations, before there is a new injury.

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I'm guessing Tootoo and Eaves will be waived. Assuming Nyquist is signed for around a million (very generous) well have over $1.0M in cap space which I'm sure Holland will like.

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Based on the comments in the AK article that Henkka linked to, it seems clear that the plan of last resort is Nyquist and DeKeyser starting the year in Grand Rapids.

Personally while not ideal, I don't think it is a big deal. The injuries will come..they always do.

What will be more interesting is the that will happen around here when the plan of last resort comes to pass.

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Based on the comments in the AK article that Henkka linked to, it seems clear that the plan of last resort is Nyquist and DeKeyser starting the year in Grand Rapids.

Personally while not ideal, I don't think it is a big deal. The injuries will come..they always do.

What will be more interesting is the that will happen around here when the plan of last resort comes to pass.
so long as it 100% guarntees that we come out of the gate flying winning every game then its the right move, if we dont, then I am certain everyone would prefer if we are too lose we do so with Dekeyser and Nyquist in our lineup

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so long as it 100% guarntees that we come out of the gate flying winning every game then its the right move, if we dont, then I am certain everyone would prefer if we are too lose we do so with Dekeyser and Nyquist in our lineup
Given the history, status, and age of the players involved I just don't see how Nyquist is not up for 80-90% of the season and available for the playoffs. For all the talk of KH's over ripe philosophy, what often gets lost is the "organizational depth" part of the equation.

I would guess that DeKeyser would be up for 70% of the season well, though I will say it would be more painful to have Lashoff over DeKeyser in the line-up than it would to not have Nyquist available.

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Why the frick did we buyout Carlo Colaiacovo and not Kyle Quincey?!

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Why the frick did we buyout Carlo Colaiacovo and not Kyle Quincey?!
Because Colaiacovo was worse than Quincey.

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Because Quincey is more likely to be healthy for at least 3/4 of the season, while being reliably mediocre on the second pair. Colaiacavo is too big of a risk. Better question is why didn't we buy out Tootoo when we had the chance? Or even Eaves? Assuming we couldn't buyout Sammy or Bert because of injury issues, moving either of those other two makes us cap compliant without having to do anything in camp.

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