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[BOS] Bruins re-sign Tuukka Rask [8 Years/$7,000,000 AAV]

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07-11-2013, 01:18 PM
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However, considering Rask has already appeared twice in the rankings it is unlikely that he would appear there 4 more times from now..
I appreciate your work with the stats but I don't agree with the statement above. In 3 of his 4 years in the NHL he's been top 6 goalie both in GAA and Sv% if you count goalies who have played at least 20 games. His stats are impressive no matter how people slice and dice them and try to belittle his accomplishments. To me he will be and already is one of those few goalies that you can actually expect to consistently put up elite numbers.

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07-11-2013, 01:25 PM
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let's see..

Quick gets $5.8m
Rask gets $7m
Rinne gets $7m


good stuff
Goalie salaries 2013-14 per cap geek

Rask, Tuukka $7,000,000
Quick, Jonathan $7,000,000
Rinne, Pekka $7,000,000
Luongo, Roberto $6,714,000
Ward, Cam $6,600,000
Miller, Ryan $6,250,000
Lehtonen, Kari $6,250,000
Fleury, M. $5,750,000
Price, Carey $5,750,000
Howard, Jimmy $5,500,000
Lundqvist, Henrik $5,125,000
Bobrovsky, Sergei $5,000,000
Brodeur, Martin $5,000,000
Hiller, Jonas $4,500,000
Smith, Mike $4,000,000
Niemi, Antti $4,000,000
Dubnyk, Devan $3,750,000
Halak, Jaroslav $3,750,000
Pavelec, Ondrej $3,500,000
Anderson, Craig $3,500,000
Nabokov, Evgeni $3,250,000
Bernier, Jonathan $2,900,000
Ramo, Karri $2,750,000
Backstrom, Niklas $2,500,000
Crawford, Corey $2,500,000
Neuvirth, Michal $2,400,000
Lindback, Anders $2,200,000
Emery, Ray $1,650,000

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07-11-2013, 01:26 PM
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Makes me feel a touch better about the Clarkson signing... a touch

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07-11-2013, 01:27 PM
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Seems like a slight overpayment and term is always scary for goaltenders. But a career .927 SV% speaks for itself.

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07-11-2013, 01:29 PM
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Makes me feel a touch better about the Clarkson signing... a touch
I don't see why; Rask is at least 33% more valuable than Clarkson. And Clarkson is almost guaranteed to be brutal at the end of the deal.

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07-11-2013, 01:44 PM
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Sure man, but Quick has actually, you know, won something AND been a starter for more than one lockout shortened season. I don't think anyone is saying Rask is a bad goalie, just that it's a ton of money for someone who doesn't have a lot of games under his belt. Hell, I would consider it a lot for someone who DID have a lot of games under their belt.
You and every other poster, do you realise that Quick has a 10-year contract vs. Rask 8-year? Also, total value for Quick contract is 58 mil vs. Rask contract 56 mil.

In other words, Quick makes more money even though his cap hit is lower, understand? If Quick made his contract this summer it would be identical with bigger cap hit.

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07-11-2013, 01:49 PM
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Johnson is the backup goalie, combined with Svedberg from Providence. They aren't going to get another goalie, so not sure what hes talking about.
Plus svedberg was ahl goalie of the year. So its not like hes some useless stiff like turco was when he was a bruin.

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Seems like a lot of money and a lot of term for a goalie.

All I know is that seeing this, Lundqvist gonna get paid

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You and every other poster, do you realise that Quick has a 10-year contract vs. Rask 8-year? Also, total value for Quick contract is 58 mil vs. Rask contract 56 mil.

In other words, Quick makes more money even though his cap hit is lower, understand? If Quick made his contract this summer it would be identical with bigger cap hit.
And for big market teams like LA and Boston, overall dollars in the ownership's bank account isn't the issue; working within the cap constraints is.

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Makes me feel a touch better about the Clarkson signing... a touch
In what world is 3rd liner comparable to elite goaltender?

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07-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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I think Boston is going to find themselves in a lot of cap problems next year. They are already going to have to make a couple moves this year to fit under, but think about this for 2014-2015.

1. They have 13.8M in cap space, and 14 players signed.

2. Notable UFAs:
-Patrice Bergeron (making $5.0MAAV now, likely going to be getting $6.5MAAV or more). There's an extra $1.5M
-Dennis Seidenberg (has one of the best contracts in the league with $3.25MAAV. Going to get, I would assume, somewhere in the ballpark of $5.0MAAV). There's an extra $1.75M

3. Notable RFAs:
-Torey Krug (Bruin fan favourite makes $1.7MAAV on an ELC. If he repeats his playoff performance, probably gets somewhere in the range of $3.0MAAV-$3.5MAAV) There's an extra $1.5ishMAAV.
-Matt Bartkowski (Depth guy, makes $650k. Probably gets re-signed for a slight raise depending on production next year. Lets say for $1MAAV) Theres just under $500k

4. They still need a backup goalie. With Khudobin now gone, they dont even have a serviceable backup for this year - let alone next year. Currently they have Chad Johnson for $600k. A decent backup should run them about $1.0MAAV-$1.5MAAV. Theres another $750k.

That looks to be about $7.0M in raises (and I'm being pretty generous in how little of raises I gave. That $7M includes the fact that there's no goalies present on capgeek for 2014-2015). That leaves them with $6M or so to sign 6 players. No easy task! Especially when one of those players needs to be a top 6 forward with Iginla leaving
Did you allot for the cap likely going up next year, though?

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07-11-2013, 02:30 PM
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In what world is 3rd liner comparable to elite goaltender?
Not once did I compare them. Stop whining

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Goalie salaries 2013-14 per cap geek

Rask, Tuukka $7,000,000
Quick, Jonathan $7,000,000
Rinne, Pekka $7,000,000
Luongo, Roberto $6,714,000
Ward, Cam $6,600,000
Miller, Ryan $6,250,000
Lehtonen, Kari $6,250,000
Fleury, M. $5,750,000
Price, Carey $5,750,000
Howard, Jimmy $5,500,000
Lundqvist, Henrik $5,125,000
Bobrovsky, Sergei $5,000,000
Brodeur, Martin $5,000,000
Hiller, Jonas $4,500,000
Smith, Mike $4,000,000
Niemi, Antti $4,000,000
Dubnyk, Devan $3,750,000
Halak, Jaroslav $3,750,000
Pavelec, Ondrej $3,500,000
Anderson, Craig $3,500,000
Nabokov, Evgeni $3,250,000
Bernier, Jonathan $2,900,000
Ramo, Karri $2,750,000
Backstrom, Niklas $2,500,000
Crawford, Corey $2,500,000
Neuvirth, Michal $2,400,000
Lindback, Anders $2,200,000
Emery, Ray $1,650,000
Who cares about salary? Cap hit is really the only thing that matters, especially to large market teams. Salary is for the players, cap hit is for the team (and thus overall value).

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07-11-2013, 03:14 PM
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Not once did I compare them. Stop whining
Stop hijacking the thread with leaf nonsense

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07-11-2013, 03:43 PM
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I think Boston is going to find themselves in a lot of cap problems next year. They are already going to have to make a couple moves this year to fit under, but think about this for 2014-2015.

1. They have 13.8M in cap space, and 14 players signed.

2. Notable UFAs:
-Patrice Bergeron (making $5.0MAAV now, likely going to be getting $6.5MAAV or more). There's an extra $1.5M
-Dennis Seidenberg (has one of the best contracts in the league with $3.25MAAV. Going to get, I would assume, somewhere in the ballpark of $5.0MAAV). There's an extra $1.75M

3. Notable RFAs:
-Torey Krug (Bruin fan favourite makes $1.7MAAV on an ELC. If he repeats his playoff performance, probably gets somewhere in the range of $3.0MAAV-$3.5MAAV) There's an extra $1.5ishMAAV.
-Matt Bartkowski (Depth guy, makes $650k. Probably gets re-signed for a slight raise depending on production next year. Lets say for $1MAAV) Theres just under $500k

4. They still need a backup goalie. With Khudobin now gone, they dont even have a serviceable backup for this year - let alone next year. Currently they have Chad Johnson for $600k. A decent backup should run them about $1.0MAAV-$1.5MAAV. Theres another $750k.

That looks to be about $7.0M in raises (and I'm being pretty generous in how little of raises I gave. That $7M includes the fact that there's no goalies present on capgeek for 2014-2015). That leaves them with $6M or so to sign 6 players. No easy task! Especially when one of those players needs to be a top 6 forward with Iginla leaving
And people have been saying this for years......

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07-11-2013, 03:51 PM
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Did you allot for the cap likely going up next year, though?
That's based on a 64.3m cap. And, the Bruins can also have another 4m by using Savard's LTIR. I do think the Bruins will take a bonus hit off of next year's cap because of Iginla contract. If it's back to 70m, subtract 4.2m from that.

I think the Bruins can put a package around Boychuk for a good forward next summer if they want to re-up Seidenberg, and not dip into free-agency. Always overpay. Hamilton should be ready for Top 4 minutes by 2015 at that point. Replaces Boychuk as RD on 2nd pair. Have McQuaid as RD on 3rd pair. Keep Chara and Seidenberg together as they get older. Krug/Bartkowski/Morrow battle for the LD spots on 2nd and 3rd pair. Loser is the 7th def.

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Goalie salaries 2013-14 per cap geek

Rask, Tuukka $7,000,000
They updated the stuff - Rask is listed at 6M for next year

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I appreciate your work with the stats but I don't agree with the statement above. In 3 of his 4 years in the NHL he's been top 6 goalie both in GAA and Sv% if you count goalies who have played at least 20 games. His stats are impressive no matter how people slice and dice them and try to belittle his accomplishments. To me he will be and already is one of those few goalies that you can actually expect to consistently put up elite numbers.
I said it was unlikely not impossible - but a 12 years stretch on the top of save% and GAA would be something very special - and he'd probably still be a very good goalie

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That's based on a 64.3m cap. And, the Bruins can also have another 4m by using Savard's LTIR. I do think the Bruins will take a bonus hit off of next year's cap because of Iginla contract. If it's back to 70m, subtract 4.2m from that.

I think the Bruins can put a package around Boychuk for a good forward next summer if they want to re-up Seidenberg, and not dip into free-agency. Always overpay. Hamilton should be ready for Top 4 minutes by 2015 at that point. Replaces Boychuk as RD on 2nd pair. Have McQuaid as RD on 3rd pair. Keep Chara and Seidenberg together as they get older. Krug/Bartkowski/Morrow battle for the LD spots on 2nd and 3rd pair. Loser is the 7th def.
I hate the idea of trading Boychuk, but if we get a good return of course you have to consider it. I would just rather trade Kelly because of Spooner being in house.

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I know he is good but this is just too much for too long.

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OK, I did the #s for Save % for the top 18 goalies in 4 seasons, 1, 3, 5 and 7 years back - Year 1 being this season), I only counted goalies with at least half of the games played. You can see how this hurts goalies like Kiprusoff and Brodeur in relation to GAA. Otherwise #s are very much alike.

Space not permitting to break down the numbers individually - but the point is that there is less fluctuation than you might expect, and that the fluctuation is the same if not more stable than for skaters - keeping in mind that the age trajectories are different (e.g. Hasek's last years in 7; Fasth's first year in 1):
  • the top 18 covered 45 different goalies (out of 72 "slots") when adding up years 1,3,5 and 7;
  • 23 goalies appeared only one season in the top 18 (Year 1: Bobrovsky, Howard, Fasth,Bishop, Holtby, Dubnyk 3: Varlamov, Bryzgalov, Price, 5: Khabibulin, Clemmensen, Mike Smith, S.Mason, Halak, Biron, 7: DiPietro, Giguere, Huet, Nabokov, Hasek, Fernandez, Kolzig, Turco)
  • 14 goalies appeared twice in "consecutive" seasons (i.e. 1&3; 3&5; 5&7) (1&3: Rask, Schneider, Crawford, Reimer, Niemi, Fleury 3&5: Thomas, Quick, Rinne, Ward, 5&7: Brodeur, C.Mason, Roloson)
  • 2 goalies appeared twice but seven years apart (Ray Emery, Kari Lehtonen)
  • 3 goalies appeared three times in the top 18 Save% (1,3,5: Jonas Hiller, 3,5,7: Roberto Luongo, Niklas Backstrom)
  • 3 goalies appeared every time (Henrik Lundqvist, Tomas Vokoun, Ryan Miller)
Cool thx for the work and info, any charts to show how much duocherism Kovi has lol

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07-11-2013, 08:22 PM
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Rask is great...but he's not as good as Luongo was when he signed his monster deal.

A few years later, and Luongo is both:

a) Still a good goalie

and

b) The league's favourite joke.

I know Rask will be younger when his deal runs out...but he also makes 1.7 million more in cap hit.

Outside of Crosby, Tavares, Malkin etc...there's no player worth that kind of money over that kind of term. You need to be 100% sure the guy will be elite for 8 years. If Rask isn't the second coming of Broduer or at least Lundqvist, then this deal sucks.

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Tuukka is good, but not good enough.

2 in 4.

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Seems like a lot of money and a lot of term for a goalie.

All I know is that seeing this, Lundqvist gonna get paid
Maybe so but I don't rate Lundqvist over Rask so there's that, sure it's MO but I think Quick n Tuukka will be if they aren't now in a league of their own .. Yes Rinne LundQ Price will push them

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I hate the idea of trading Boychuk, but if we get a good return of course you have to consider it. I would just rather trade Kelly because of Spooner being in house.
I don't mean trade him this season. After the 2013/14 season if you want to sign Seidenberg. Seids is a UFA. Will be hard to pay him and get a forward to replace Iginla if Johnny B still on squad.

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