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07-11-2013, 01:36 PM
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Other Stauffer tidbits.

-Hemsky may return and nothing wrong with having him on the 3rd line and on the PP with the ability to play in the top 6 due to injury.
Hemmer is a guy who has demonstrated ability to play hard minutes. Problem is, if you are sticking him with Gordon and Jones, you're basically forcing him to become a defensive specialist. If you can't get a good return for Hemsky, you're better off finding someone else to play 3C (coughGrabovskicough) and rolling with three scoring lines and having a real defensive 4th line.

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I don't think Perron and Yak on the same line is a good idea defensively in both the offensive and defensive zones. When the puck gets rung around the boards in either zone, assuming they are facing the play they both have to pick it up either on the backhand (which is more difficult and potentially exposes them to hits from behind on the boards) or by pressing up on the boards and using their body/feet to stop the puck. Too many things can go wrong with possession and control IMO

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Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Perron-RNH-Eberle
Jones-Grabovski-Hemsky
Smyth-Gordon-Joensuu

if Hemsky is kept, three scoring lines!

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Perron-RNH-Eberle
Morrow-Gordon-Stafford
Smyth-Halpern-Jones

Hemsky for Stafford
Sign Halpern and Morrow (you might trade Nick Schultz or another d-man to make this work cap-wise)

If Hemsky isn't kept.

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The last thing we need to be adding to our bottom six right now is a goon
A goon that can play. It's fairly obvious who Stauffer is referring to if you read between the lines.

There's a fighter out there who can play some, is under contract, and being shopped.

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07-11-2013, 01:42 PM
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A goon that can play. It's fairly obvious who Stauffer is referring to if you read between the lines.

There's a fighter out there who can play some, is under contract, and being shopped.
I wish I knew who you were referring to.

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Hemsky coming back would be a major negative.

This team needs more balance, not less balance with a dash of sideshow distractions of an unhappy vet sulking because he's a 3rd line checker.

Rather not see a repeat of Yakupov on the 3rd line with plugs again, though that problem has been mitigated with the deletion of the apathetic Horcoff from the lineup.
He doesn't sulk and he's not unhappy. He's probably the most even-keeled person you could meet.

And by all accounts Horcoff wasn't apathetic either.

Funny how some people create a narrative to suit their tastes.

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A goon that can play. It's fairly obvious who Stauffer is referring to if you read between the lines.

There's a fighter out there who can play some, is under contract, and being shopped.
Who?

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A goon that can play. It's fairly obvious who Stauffer is referring to if you read between the lines.

There's a fighter out there who can play some, is under contract, and being shopped.
Tootoo?

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He doesn't sulk and he's not unhappy. He's probably the most even-keeled person you could meet.

And by all accounts Horcoff wasn't apathetic either.

Funny how some people create a narrative to suit their tastes.
It doesn't help when the Edmonton media has been shoving this down our throats for years.

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A goon that can play. It's fairly obvious who Stauffer is referring to if you read between the lines.

There's a fighter out there who can play some, is under contract, and being shopped.
Konopka?

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If Tootoo is available I trade for him in a second.

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How has a team like St.Louis not put it together yet? They have got to have the deepest team in the league. Is it the fact they don't have any premier scorers?
That's exactly it - they're pretty much the exact opposite of us offensively. Here's their lineup:

Steen - Roy - Stewart
Schwartz - Backes - Tarasenko
Pääjärvi - Berglund - Oshie
Sobotka - Lapierre - Reaves

That third line is absolutely unreal. However, compare their top 6 to ours - they have a lot of quality players but no one that screams top-end scorer.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to grab a Backes or an Oshie but the Blues really could use a premier scoring forward to "take charge."

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My Line-up if nothing changes
Hall. Gagner. Yakupov
Perron. RNH. Eberle
Jones. Gordon. Hemsky
Eager. Lander. Brown
Smyth

Roll 3 lines. Give Lander the odd shift and PK duties. Strategically place Eager and/or Brown with players from the top 2 lines depending on the how the game is going.

Smid. Petry
Ference. Belov
Schultz. Schultz
Potter

Top 2 pairings get the majority of even strength time. NSchultz gets to kill penalties and play the odd shift. JSchultz gets to play power play and gets th odd shift.

Of course, I would love a goon who could play, and to move Hemsky for a good, checking 3rd liner!

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07-11-2013, 01:51 PM
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Konopka?
Bingo.

Elite faceoff man, can throw down....not an ideal 82 game 4th liner but certainly a guy you can dress and not be afraid he's going to cost you the game.

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He doesn't sulk and he's not unhappy. He's probably the most even-keeled person you could meet.

And by all accounts Horcoff wasn't apathetic either.

Funny how some people create a narrative to suit their tastes.
Sure he does, and he's made it clear(publicly I might add) that being a 3rd line winger with checking line ice time is worst case scenario for him.

As for Horcoff, he was moved primarily because he got used to losing, which was more than reflective in his apathetic, half-assed play on the ice.

Funny how fandom creates blinders for some people when it comes to players they have fond memories of.

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07-11-2013, 01:53 PM
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Sure he does, and he's made it clear(publicly I might add) that being a 3rd line winger with checking line ice time is worst case scenario for him.
Damn that man for, uh, stating the obvious?

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My Line-up if nothing changes
Hall. Gagner. Yakupov
Perron. RNH. Eberle
Jones. Gordon. Hemsky
Eager. Lander. Brown

Smyth

Roll 3 lines. Give Lander the odd shift and PK duties. Strategically place Eager and/or Brown with players from the top 2 lines depending on the how the game is going.

Smid. Petry
Ference. Belov
Schultz. Schultz
Potter

Top 2 pairings get the majority of even strength time. NSchultz gets to kill penalties and play the odd shift. JSchultz gets to play power play and gets th odd shift.

Of course, I would love a goon who could play, and to move Hemsky for a good, checking 3rd liner!
Gordon kills offense. Better off to have him on the 4th with Eager and Brown who also use iMaps to find the net. Lander at least has a little bit(definitely not ideal)

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Bingo.

Elite faceoff man, can throw down....not an ideal 82 game 4th liner but certainly a guy you can dress and not be afraid he's going to cost you the game.
I've always wanted him, but something is off with him. 4 different teams the past 4 years, no one ever seems to miss him and there are a lot who want him out of Minny. What gives?

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Gordon kills offense. Better off to have him on the 4th with Eager and Brown who also use iMaps to find the net. Lander at least has a little bit(definitely not ideal)
Lander's offensive talents makes Pajaarvi look like Gretzky.

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I've always wanted him, but something is off with him. 4 different teams the past 4 years, no one ever seems to miss him and there are a lot who want him out of Minny. What gives?
He's not a very good hockey player.

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Lander's offensive talents makes Pajaarvi look like Gretzky.
lol please never put lander , pajaarvi , gretzky and offensive in the same sentence.

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Bingo.

Elite faceoff man, can throw down....not an ideal 82 game 4th liner but certainly a guy you can dress and not be afraid he's going to cost you the game.
I'd rather Lander. Once Kenopka's taken the faceoff, he's useless

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Konopka and Steckel are one trick ponies. They win faceoffs. That's it.

Lander can do everything else, although he will never chip in all that much offensively. Who knows though, he had a great run with OKC at the end of their season so it may be coming around. Ideally he doesn't come in as the 4th C yet, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Oilers think he's a better all around hockey player than Steckel/Konopka

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Sure he does, and he's made it clear(publicly I might add) that being a 3rd line winger with checking line ice time is worst case scenario for him.

As for Horcoff, he was moved primarily because he got used to losing, which was more than reflective in his apathetic, half-assed play on the ice.

Funny how fandom creates blinders for some people when it comes to players they have fond memories of.
He's a top-6 RW. Damned right being a 3RW checker is a worst case scenario for him. That's not sulking, that's clear to anyone who knows anything about him.

Horcoff needs a fresh start, which probably includes a move slightly away from crap linemates and a lifetime of starting inside his own zone. He showed a lot of professionalism in putting up with completely inept management for so long. Guys like Souray could only stomach one year.

I don't have any investment in all in either player. Too old and raised on championship teams in the 80s to bother pumping up any player on any team nowadays. I'll mention this: Every player gives it his all whenever he can. Teams fail because they're built wrong, managed wrong, coached wrong. But singling out players for blame when you don't know the facts is usually a futile, uneducated exercise.

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I'd rather Lander. Once Kenopka's taken the faceoff, he's useless
Don't take this the wrong way but...for a team lacking size and grit in the bottom 6 is it more beneficial to carry BOTH Lander and Konopka on the roster or to have Lander and say...Will Acton?

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