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07-11-2013, 02:59 PM
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Mayars. Carcillo. Bollig. They replaced Stalberg with Bollig to start the Boston series.
....and he stunk. Handed game 2 to Boston on a silver platter.

Those other guys didnt play, but Im sure the sheer spector of them caused Boston to drop the series.

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Mayars. Carcillo. Bollig. They replaced Stalberg with Bollig to start the Boston series.
Carcillo didn't play a single second in the Finals, I think

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See, I HATE Neil. Which means he's doing it right. He's a pest, an agitator, he scores well for his role and if he has to, he'll throw down with anyone.

He gave us fits that series. What a pain in the ass to play against. You want someone like that (Dorsett may be a bit of Neil-lite), but they're not invincible. Someone like Del Zotto comes along and puts down one of their tough guys? That's infuriating, demoralizing, and even more it actually threw Neil off his game(!).

We don't need to bring in tough guys. We need our skilled guys to be tough.


Would you want Chris Neil on your team?

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07-11-2013, 03:02 PM
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Carcillo didn't play a single second in the Finals, I think
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....and he stunk. Handed game 2 to Boston on a silver platter.

Those other guys didnt play, but Im sure the sheer spector of them caused Boston to drop the series.
You said they did not employ them. It was false. I didn't say they should have played or they had a major effect on that series. All of them are bad players.

Let me know when the Rangers can ice the skill of the Blackhawks. Then we can talk about building this team like that one.

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Mayars. Carcillo. Bollig. They replaced Stalberg with Bollig to start the Boston series.
1. Mayers didn't play a game and didn't have his name etched in the cup.

2. Carcillo had 0 Fighting Majors in 4 games and averaged the least ice time amongst all Hawks skaters.

3. Bollig cost his team in game 2 of the playoffs after turning the puck over to Tyler Seguin's stick.

These players are irrelevant, especially during playoff time. All three are the epitome of goons.

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Would you want Chris Neil on your team?
I'm not the person to ask. I develop particular likes and dislikes for players, and it takes a while for me to let them go, if ever. I'm still not too nuts about Asham, for instance, and I'm still embarrassed by Avery.

Would I take someone who plays identically to Chris Neil? OH YEAH.

But I'd have trouble rooting for Neil himself.

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Would you want Chris Neil on your team?
Hell yes.

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Correct.



You said they did not employ them. It was false. I didn't say they should have played or they had a major effect on that series. All of them are bad players.

Let me know when the Rangers can ice the skill of the Blackhawks. Then we can talk about building this team like that one.
I didnt say anything of the sort.

Im saying when they tried, it was a net negative.

I respect your opinion on the subject because at least you admit you want these types of guys to be able to play the game too, which is more than I can say about a few other posters.

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1. Mayers didn't play a game and didn't have his name etched in the cup.

2. Carcillo had 0 Fighting Majors in 4 games and averaged the least ice time amongst all Hawks skaters.

3. Bollig cost his team in game 2 of the playoffs after turning the puck over to Tyler Seguin's stick.

These players are irrelevant, especially during playoff time. All three are the epitome of goons.
I realize that. He said they didn't employ them. Those players helped that team get #1 in the West.

I am 99% sure Mayars will be getting his name on The Cup. The team can choose to put anyone's name on there who played for them in that season.

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I didnt say anything of the sort.

Im saying when they tried, it was a net negative.

I respect your opinion on the subject because at least you admit you want these types of guys to be able to play the game too, which is more than I can say about a few other posters.
I mean I can see the trend, and I like it. I don't like seeing pure goons play 3 minutes. However, I do think fighting has a very real value still in this sport. I would be 100% okay to see no more John Scott's or Colton Orr's used and to see more Prust's, Lucic's, Neil's. Guys who can play the game and fight.

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I realize that. He said they didn't employ them. Those players helped that team get #1 in the West.

I am 99% sure Mayars will be getting his name on The Cup. The team can choose to put anyone's name on there who played for them in that season.
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Not sure how it played out.

These players are irrelevant in today's game, which is why they aren't employed when the team wants to win hockey games (AKA the playoffs).

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You said they did not employ them. It was false. I didn't say they should have played or they had a major effect on that series. All of them are bad players.

Let me know when the Rangers can ice the skill of the Blackhawks. Then we can talk about building this team like that one.
We don't have the top 6 monsters that they do, but I think people are underrating the potential of our top 9. Nash has 80 point potential, Stepan could scratch 70, Callahan scores at a 60 point pace (but is deathly allergic to playing a full season), Hags at a 50 point pace. Zucc, Richards, Kreider, Brassard all are SOAKED in potential, with all of them (except maybe Kreids) having the ability to go at 50 points. Not all of these are going to happen (hockey gods willing, ANY of them will happen). if even half of those wild cards come through, we are DEEP. Nevermind any rookies that can challenge for a spot.

We don't have the raw top end talent, but we've got depth. And possibly the best Defense+Goaltender in the league.

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Not sure how it played out.

These players are irrelevant in today's game, which is why they aren't employed when the team wants to win hockey games (AKA the playoffs).
I don't like those players. I like players who can play the game and fight. But teams still employ them for a reason. There were games where they were needed.

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I don't like those players. I like players who can play the game and fight. But teams still employ them for a reason. There were games where they were needed.
And that wasn't in the playoffs. I agree with with playing the game, but fighting really makes zero impact for the most part, especially since fighting totals go way down during the playoffs, where every team battles tooth and nail to try and win.

Are you suggesting to go back to the Brashear/Rupp/Boogaard days and employ a goon as a regular HS?

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We don't have the top 6 monsters that they do, but I think people are underrating the potential of our top 9. Nash has 80 point potential, Stepan could scratch 70, Callahan scores at a 60 point pace (but is deathly allergic to playing a full season), Hags at a 50 point pace. Zucc, Richards, Kreider, Brassard all are SOAKED in potential, with all of them (except maybe Kreids) having the ability to go at 50 points. Not all of these are going to happen (hockey gods willing, ANY of them will happen). if even half of those wild cards come through, we are DEEP. Nevermind any rookies that can challenge for a spot.

We don't have the raw top end talent, but we've got depth. And possibly the best Defense+Goaltender in the league.
Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa. The Rangers have (1) forward that is on that level. Nash. Stepan is a good player. I hope he continues to progress.

McDonagh and Girardi are good. Keith and Seabrook are good too.

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And that wasn't in the playoffs. I agree with with playing the game, but fighting really makes zero impact for the most part, especially since fighting totals go way down during the playoffs, where every team battles tooth and nail to try and win.

Are you suggesting to go back to the Brashear/Rupp/Boogaard days and employ a goon as a regular HS?
And yet Boston employed Thornton who was extremely effective.

No. I don't like goons. I like players who can muck it up, drop the gloves, and play the game.

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I'm not the person to ask. I develop particular likes and dislikes for players, and it takes a while for me to let them go, if ever. I'm still not too nuts about Asham, for instance, and I'm still embarrassed by Avery.

Would I take someone who plays identically to Chris Neil? OH YEAH.

But I'd have trouble rooting for Neil himself.
I understand. I never got used to Derek Sanderson.

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Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa. The Rangers have (1) forward that is on that level. Nash. Stepan is a good player. I hope he continues to progress.

McDonagh and Girardi are good. Keith and Seabrook are good too.
I won't argue that the Rangers are a more skilled team (up front, at least). That's a hopeless fight.

The 'Hawks have the best top 4 forwards in the league, in my opinion. But it's not like the Rangers are talent starved.

Say, any chance they want 2 2/3rd line tweeners and DZ for Sharp?

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I understand. I never got used to Derek Sanderson.
Well, that is WAY out of my age range, but I get it.

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I am not saying I want a one dimensional player on my team...I want the guy to be able to play...but if 12-15 teams in your division alone are adding some sort of toughness element to their system...then you can't get caught with your head in your ass...our skill will not supercede our lack of toughness....we are not the Pen's or Hawks.

mark my word....our team will be manhandled in some capacity this year.

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I know fighting doesn't exist in hockey anymore and no team has or wants fighters but for some stranger reason the Islanders are bringing in a boat load to evaluate.

http://nyienforcers.proboards.com/in...og&thread=3204

I rememeber the 80's, when the Islanders used to beat the **** out of us...get ready...it is going to happen again soon.

We have one guy in our entire system that can answer the bell...McIrath, one and that's it.
Sounds like a game filled with 5 minute power plays for the Rangers. That strategy for the Islanders might be to get the first pick next year.

Recent history has clearly demonstrated if you want to ice a bad team year after year, use the Islanders model. Looks like they won't be getting smarter or better anytime soon.

You are always alarmed that we are losing an arms race that does not exist.

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He is someone people on this board called tough .. If I ever fought like that my dad would hide in the closet

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I01Ncx4VSno
That is sort of sad.

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Mayars. Carcillo. Bollig. They replaced Stalberg with Bollig to start the Boston series.
How many fights did Bollig win in the Bruins series. The other two did not dress. Are people now worried that we need fighters who don't dress?

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How many fights did Bollig win in the Bruins series. The other two did not dress. Are people now worried that we need fighters who don't dress?
I remember Torts dressing both John Scott and Kreider, and having them both take warm ups.


So, maybe?

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Sounds like a game filled with 5 minute power plays for the Rangers. That strategy for the Islanders might be to get the first pick next year.

Recent history has clearly demonstrated if you want to ice a bad team year after year, use the Islanders model. Looks like they won't be getting smarter or better anytime soon.

You are always alarmed that we are losing an arms race that does not exist.
I think you come on just to argue or you really don't have a clue.

The Islanders are forming a very good team that is very balanced...they have some holes but who doesn't. They put the puck in the net...they can bang and they can fight...with a few tweaks to their defense and finding a goalie and they will be better than us for the next ten years...

If Hank doesn't sign before he hits free agency and the Islanders playing in the Barclays Center after this year...maybe Hank jumps ship...wouldn't that be a kick in the nutz.

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