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07-11-2013, 02:42 PM
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I'm not comparing Edmonton and LA. I'm just stating that an upgrade in talent does not equate to an upgrade in results. Edmonton is proof of that.
Yeah because Edmonton is a team filled with 12 yearold girls with a 150 lbs frame.

We have Williams, Brown, Kopi, Richards, Carter. All vets and big talented forwards.

If anyone can guide young talent into the right direction, then it's the locker room. Greener Quick Doughty Mitchell. All players who have been to the dance.Why are you comparing 2 irrelevant teams? You are making a very bad comparison. You identify one portion and completely disregard another key part to why edmonton sucks.

Kings have great staff and management. And a VETERAN core. If anyone can accommodate those young guys its gonna be our Veteran core and the staff.

Andy is talented, but he does everything our 4th line does with more of an upside in his game. Watch him and you will see he will be a great fit.

Adding young players won't be as hard as you think.

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Andy A, won't see any time unless Nolan/Fraser completely fall off the map.

Which won't happen, Contract year for both.

Andy would have to really impress Sutter in Camp to make the roster.

Vey is really the only guy that has a chance of making the roster out of camp.

Toffoli will already be on the team, and Pearson is not going to make it due to Frattin being a cheaper and more of a sand paper option for Richards/Carter.

Which is not a bad thing, Pearson probably needs another year in Manchester anyway.

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Fraser is a waste of a roster spot. He brings absolutely nothing even for a 4th liner.

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Yeah because Edmonton is a team filled with 12 yearold girls with a 150 lbs frame.
And where did I say that? I said Edmonton is young, not a bunch of underage weaklings. Grow up.

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Why are you comparing 2 irrelevant teams? You are making a very bad comparison. You identify one portion and completely disregard another key part to why edmonton sucks.
Holy crap, learn to read. In the very post of mine you quoted I said "I'm not comparing Edmonton and LA." Seriously, LEARN...TO...READ.

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Andy is talented, but he does everything our 4th line does with more of an upside in his game. Watch him and you will see he will be a great fit.

Adding young players won't be as hard as you think.
I always love this about HF. If I don't agree with you, therefore I obviously haven't ever watched the player play. Ever. Most likely all I did was google his hockeydb stats and base my decision there.

I have seen Andy Andy play. Love the kid. But just because I don't agree with you that he should be in the NHL right away doesn't mean I know jack all. I think he'd be better served to spend more time in Manchester. Additionally, DL and crew have shown an abundance of patience in developing guys to the point they are completely NHL ready. Look at Voynov for example. Look at Vey. The list can go on and on of guys they left to ripen.

Now read this part. And I mean actually read it this time. The Kings are not going to be rolling with four rookies in their forward ranks next year. Toffoli sure. One of Vey or Pearson seem likely. It's even possible they start with three kids. But expecting to put Toffoli, Andy Andy, Pearson, and Vey into the forward line up is asking a lot.

Not to mention, where are these guys all going? We likely have let Penner go, but we added Frattin. So who are you dropping to put them in? Fraser, Nolan and King? Do you really think Sutter will drop all three of those guys who have been regulars almost from the day he took over as Head Coach and have been involved in two straight lengthy playoff runs?

I think fitting all that youth in will be harder than you think.

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07-11-2013, 04:03 PM
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Exactly. If the Kings re-sign all our RFA's and Mitchell comes back we actually have TOO MANY PLAYERS.

Kings will have to deal or trade someone. We have (1) extra forward and (3) extra D. Lombardi is up against the cap and Vey and Pearson make over 900k. They actually make more than any of the players that filed for arbitration.

A player like Stoll or Fraser has to be traded for Vey to make it.

A player like Mitchell has to not return for Martinez, Muzzin and Schultz all stick around.

Bottom line.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Toffoli
Clifford-Lewis-Nolan
Extra: Fraser

Doughty-RR
Mitchell-Voynov
Muzzin-Greene
Extra: Schultz, Martinez and Ellerby

The only player above on a two-way is Toffoli. So that should sum everything up. You want to bring up an expensive rookie? Then trade a less expensive vet!

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3/11/13 Drills - No player evaluations, but I did have a brief exchange with Lombardi. Will post it after the description of the drills since it happened near the end.

The defense started the drills.
1. Walk the line with the puck. Change directions at whistle. Repeat until a long whistle prompted the player to shoot.

2. Similar to drill 1, except all the defensemen did it at the same time. No shooting... and of course, they spread the defense over the two blue lines and the center ice line, so they didn't all cram on one line.

3. Walk the line passing back and forth with a partner. Pass the puck to a forward at the whistle.

4. Fight lessons.

Forwards
1. Deflections. A forward would hang out in front of the net, another forward would lob a couple shots that had to be deflected. The forward would then back up at different angles and shoot the puck on net.

2. A broken trapezoid was formed in the slot area. \ _ / with the upper part closer to the net. Cones were about four feet out from either side of the post, placed on the goal line. The players practiced carrying the puck from behind the goal line, around the cone, then shooting the puck into the open net while getting in the trapezoid area. Another player at the point would then take shots for the forward to deflect into the net. Then another player, behind the goal line, would pass the puck to the player, still in the trapezoid area, and the receiving player would have to one time it. So... they practiced driving to the net from behind the goal line, tipping shots from the point, and receiving passes behind the goal line while in the slot.

The groups were split up unevenly starting from this drill on. Group A, comprised of Auger, Brodzinski, Hyka, Zykov, Kitsyn, Maclise. Group B had the rest of the forwards. Group B eventually had one of the forwards acting as a defender, and the "defender" was given a football blocking pad. The defender had to push and pester the forward as he was driving to the net, deflecting shots, and one-timing passes from behind the goal line. Group A did not have a defender.

3. Group B was on one side of the ice getting fighting lessons.

Group A was joined by Lowry. Player took turns skating from blueline to blueline, then backskating, from blueline to blueline, pass the puck back, receive a pass and repeat the drill on the other half of the neutral zone, before receiving one more pass, skate in, and shoot.

4. Group B was still getting fighting lessons

Group A had players take turns. Skate around the face off circle with the puck, pass to player in the corner, skate around the face off circle again, receive pass from player in the corner, then shoot. Then skate around the other face off circle on the opposite wing, receive a pass, and shoot. Finally, drive to the net, and one time a shot from the slot.

5. Group B was still being given fighting lessons.

Group A had players Skate around the center ice circle, pick up the puck, skate from blueline to blueline to blueline (so an "S" pattern), before driving to the net to shoot. Group B eventually joined in to participate, then Group B did drill 4 at the end.

Goalies
1. Brief lateral practice.

2. Rebound control, like yesterday.

3. There were two variations of this drill, so the goalies were split into two groups (eventually switching variations). One variation had the goalie stop a shot in the slot, drop down in butterfly, move laterally, get up, then push back and reset square to the shooter. So these goalies dealt with shots from the slot.

In the other variation, the goalies had players carry the puck from behind the goal line and take shots from the face off dots. These goalies deald with shots from bad angles.

4. The goalie had to slide from the post to the top of the crease, where two or three forwards were parked in front of him. A player at the point would then take a shot, and the goalies would work on tracking the puck, but also deal with a 3-on-0 right in front of him.

So anyway, during the final drill, Lombardi walks up while Bartosak is in net. Bartosak was taking a long time to get up, and Lombardi chuckled and said, "He's just like Quick was at that age. So out of shape." Please bear in mind he did NOT compare Bartosak to Quick... just that his conditioning was poor like Quick's at the same age. He then remarked that they wouldn't have needed a goalie for the next 20 years if they could have kept Bernier too. But they like Bartosak's upside.

I asked him if he was going to have Bartosak back-up Berube in Ontario, and Lombardi said that he's going to let him go back to juniors. That's when he walked away. I didn't want to change the subject and ask him about other stuff (like contracts), nor did I want to ask him anything that was already covered by someone else in the media... so hopefully you find it interesting enough.

Will post impressions soon!

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You said I am not comparing the Kings to Edmonton but too much talent can fail. You are implying if the kings have too much talent they will still fail? What were you trying to imply by saying that?

You make no sense. Too much talent doesn't fail, some teams do it right, some do it wrong. Kings have a good chance to do it right. Just like chicago.

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You said I am not comparing the Kings to Edmonton but too much talent can fail. You are implying if the kings have too much talent they will still fail? What were you trying to imply by saying that?

You make no sense. Too much talent doesn't fail, some teams do it right, some do it wrong. Kings have a good chance to do it right. Just like chicago.

How about you message each other please. No need for all of us to read this.

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Defense and goalie evaluations:

Defense
(40) Nick Ebert - He had the best practice out of all the defensemen. The day was pretty much focused on walking the line, and at the risk of having people read way too much into it, he looked like Drew Doughty in terms of his movement, efficiency, and most importantly, swagger. Had great passes, one touch or otherwise. Kept his head up the entire time. Very decisive.

(54) Kevin Gravel - Given this was mostly about walking the line, he had a good showing. He made good passes, his foot movement was good. No memorable shots... least none that I can remember (guess that's why they weren't memorable?)

(56) Kurtis Macdermid - With other players stepping up their performance, Macdermid didn't stand out in spectacular fashion. Skating's always one of his strongest assets.

(61) Colin Miller - Probably the most fair thing to say is he stood out the least. Though I remember a couple passes that were notably off.

(62) Zac Leslie - For his lack of experience in these camps before, he performed well.

(76) Paul Ladue - I really like him. Probably the 2nd best showing in the group after Ebert. Still a long term project, as he's just going to be a Freshman at UND this year. His skating and puck movement were above average.

(84) Derek Forbort - He took a slap shot today... and it was awesome! Put a lot of force in it, and while it didn't look NHL ready in terms of velocity, there's hope from that end. On the downside, looked like his head was down when handling the puck, and he was slow to move it. I still think confidence is his biggest enemy.

Goalies:
(35) J-F Berube - Not too different from yesterday. Technically strong. Still too casual at times though.

(46) Alex Fotinos - Very low panic threshold. Struggled with puck control; during the 3-on-0, with the puck in front of him, he actually swatted the puck to the slot onto a forward's stick. Went tumbling and thrashing after the first save a lot.

(65) Patrik Bartosak - Slow recovery time after making a save, as was reinforced by Lombardi with his remarks of Bartosak's fitness. Still battles though.

(75) Mathias Niederberger - Stood out the least. Can't honestly say I saw anything remarkable, positively or negatively.

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This isn't directed at you KP, but others who are penciling in lineups based on camp impressions. Read the comments from Lombardi, it might enlighten some of you who are already making lineup decisions and want to see a lineup full of inexperienced kids.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2013/07/11...t-camp-penner/
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DL: I don’t evaluate anything. That’s the mantra. I don’t think it does any good to evaluate these players. The obligation of everybody here is ‘Make them better.’ That’s all I’m looking for. Is this kid putting in the effort to be the best he can be? It’s not the time to evaluate them. I’m not looking to trade them. I’m not looking to sign them. I’m not looking for whatever, so why do that? You start doing things like that – and forming judgments – then human nature is that I want it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. So don’t look in what the player can or can’t do and try and prove yourself right. It’s just ‘Make them every day.’ So I don’t want to hear ‘This guy’s going to be great,’ or ‘this guy’ – it’s no good. That kind of stuff – waste of time. And that’s everybody. Me, everybody out there, these coaches. Make them better every day. Then, when it comes time when you have to do something, then say, ‘OK, well, we’ll see.’

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This isn't directed at you KP, but others who are penciling in lineups based on camp impressions. Read the comments from Lombardi, it might enlighten some of you who are already making lineup decisions and want to see a lineup full of inexperienced kids.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2013/07/11...t-camp-penner/
I agree. I've made the mistake a couple times in terms of thinking certain players might crack the line-up in the past. And ultimately, I was wrong and hasty, and read too much into it.

I definitely think it's a mistake to bring too many rookies into the line-up, especially at once. The kids learn by having a stabilizing presence (i.e. a vet or two) on the ice with them. Thinking Toffoli, Pearson, Vey, Shore AND Andreoff will all be in the line-up at once is a dangerous suggestion.

I don't think it's unrealistic to think they will all get long looks in training camp, since ultimately, competition is what makes the players better, and it gives them a chance to see where they stand in the organization. But I really don't want anyone to read too much into what I write. First of all, I'm not a professional. Second of all, as pointed out before, this is practice. Third of all, there's still a lot of time until training camp and ultimately roster decisions.

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Forwards:
(37) Nick Shore - His release wasn't as devastating as yesterday. Good speed with the puck. Cerebral type of approach when it came to getting open with a defender on him.

(38) Valentin Zykov - I know this is just practice, but I have yet to see a combination of skillsets or talents that show how he was so successful in the Q. He didn't really show a shot that was good for his age, He fell a couple times, and he just didn't have the speed or puck control that I might have unfairly expected out of him. Even without the Manchester players present to blow the curve, his talents, when isolated on the ice, just haven't blown me away. It might be a situation where he only really shines in game time and with competition, but right now I just don't see what the big draw is.

(42) Scott Sabourin - He has a good wrist shot, but the more encouraging thing I see is his attempts to practice "right." In the puck control drills, there was a huge emphasis on skating and direction. Although his foot movements were deliberate and slow, they were done just as the coaching staff was telling him.

(48) Maxim Kitsyn - His skating is getting there. It's a lot better than two years ago; his puck control is among the top of the group. Had some great shots.

(49) Joel Lowry - Unquestionably the fastest skater in the entire camp. Can really shoot too, given enough time.

(52) Tomas Hyka - He has effort on his side, but not the speed. I have concerns for a player his size, a transition to the professional level will be a very frustrating task for him.

(55) Michael Mersch - Still heavy footed, still has a great shot. Hand-eye coordination was exceptional when it came to deflections.

(60) Jordan Weal - Got pushed around by equally sized forward Brian O'Neill. Needs to add strength. Gets pissed though. I like it.

(63) Jonny Brodzinski - Good skating, very good shot.

(64) Andy Andreoff - I love him. Pretty much everything the same from yesterday carries over to today. Has a very sharp attention to detail in his practice habits, quick release, strong skating... and the best part? He shoves the defender away as he's being pushed with the football blocker. Also, there were two times noises came from the corner while the forwards were being shown how to fight... both times, it was Andreoff involved, grabbing hold of a player.

(70) Tanner Pearson - The only thing that really stood out was how exceptionally he shot the puck.

(72) Nic Dowd - Like Sabourin, showed great focus on doing the drill right. Was otherwise unremarkable with what I saw.

(73) Tyler Toffoli - He had a good showing, but he was not head and shoulders above the rest of the forwards. Still showed good shot, skating, and battle in front of the net.

(78) Cam Maclise - Another large project forward, but shows a lot of potential with raw ability.

(79) Justin Auger - For a player his size, he has exceptional skating skills. He needs to improve his core strength to be fast, but his feet work and balance is near the top of the class. His shot... isn't.

(81) Brian O'Neill - The most likeable thing about him is the sheer effort he puts in to every task. He reminds me of Jeff Giuliano in terms of how he plays.

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I think the best part about these camps is watching those who stand out most from the crowd. There's an obvious cut above everyone else that is noticeable, and the hope is that the younger and less experienced guys at these camps get an impression of how much work they have to put in to improving their games and taking it to the next level.

Just from the past, the player that I recall standing out most was Cammalleri. He just oozed confidence as a scorer and compared to everyone else out there, he looked and performed like a pro. His shot, his ability to get open, etc. I haven't seen many players stand out like he has. Simmonds was another one who stood out for other reasons, as he looked like a scrawny kid but was deceptively the strongest player on the ice. Can't forget Kopitar too but it seemed unfair as by the time he came over he looked like a pro already.

But those are guys who were already knocking on the door of cracking an NHL roster. That's when our excitement level goes through the roof when we see a prospect at that level. From the current group, I think it's safe to say that Toffoli may be that standout player, and I'd label everyone else a work in progress.

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I think the best part about these camps is watching those who stand out most from the crowd. There's an obvious cut above everyone else that is noticeable, and the hope is that the younger and less experienced guys at these camps get an impression of how much work they have to put in to improving their games and taking it to the next level.

Just from the past, the player that I recall standing out most was Cammalleri. He just oozed confidence as a scorer and compared to everyone else out there, he looked and performed like a pro. His shot, his ability to get open, etc. I haven't seen many players stand out like he has. Simmonds was another one who stood out for other reasons, as he looked like a scrawny kid but was deceptively the strongest player on the ice. Can't forget Kopitar too but it seemed unfair as by the time he came over he looked like a pro already.

But those are guys who were already knocking on the door of cracking an NHL roster. That's when our excitement level goes through the roof when we see a prospect at that level. From the current group, I think it's safe to say that Toffoli may be that standout player, and I'd label everyone else a work in progress.
I agree. I think we also tend to get caught up sometimes in the fact that these guys are not usually playing against NHLers (Toffoli and Pearson nonwithstanding) so their abilities may be standouts vs. their peers but not necessarily vs. the pros.

But I love what DL said about development vs. evaluation. As KP mentioned, someone like Zykov may look good in game situations, but if his fundamentals are lacking/not quite polished, imagine how much a guy like that can grow from a camp like this.

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Is Sabourin kind of like Andreoff in terms of what their style of play is? Not that Sabourin is as good as, but that he plays a similar style?

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Forwards:
(37) Nick Shore - His release wasn't as devastating as yesterday. Good speed with the puck. Cerebral type of approach when it came to getting open with a defender on him.

(38) Valentin Zykov - I know this is just practice, but I have yet to see a combination of skillsets or talents that show how he was so successful in the Q. He didn't really show a shot that was good for his age, He fell a couple times, and he just didn't have the speed or puck control that I might have unfairly expected out of him. Even without the Manchester players present to blow the curve, his talents, when isolated on the ice, just haven't blown me away. It might be a situation where he only really shines in game time and with competition, but right now I just don't see what the big draw is.

(42) Scott Sabourin - He has a good wrist shot, but the more encouraging thing I see is his attempts to practice "right." In the puck control drills, there was a huge emphasis on skating and direction. Although his foot movements were deliberate and slow, they were done just as the coaching staff was telling him.

(48) Maxim Kitsyn - His skating is getting there. It's a lot better than two years ago; his puck control is among the top of the group. Had some great shots.

(49) Joel Lowry - Unquestionably the fastest skater in the entire camp. Can really shoot too, given enough time.

(52) Tomas Hyka - He has effort on his side, but not the speed. I have concerns for a player his size, a transition to the professional level will be a very frustrating task for him.

(55) Michael Mersch - Still heavy footed, still has a great shot. Hand-eye coordination was exceptional when it came to deflections.

(60) Jordan Weal - Got pushed around by equally sized forward Brian O'Neill. Needs to add strength. Gets pissed though. I like it.

(63) Jonny Brodzinski - Good skating, very good shot.

(64) Andy Andreoff - I love him. Pretty much everything the same from yesterday carries over to today. Has a very sharp attention to detail in his practice habits, quick release, strong skating... and the best part? He shoves the defender away as he's being pushed with the football blocker. Also, there were two times noises came from the corner while the forwards were being shown how to fight... both times, it was Andreoff involved, grabbing hold of a player.

(70) Tanner Pearson - The only thing that really stood out was how exceptionally he shot the puck.

(72) Nic Dowd - Like Sabourin, showed great focus on doing the drill right. Was otherwise unremarkable with what I saw.

(73) Tyler Toffoli - He had a good showing, but he was not head and shoulders above the rest of the forwards. Still showed good shot, skating, and battle in front of the net.

(78) Cam Maclise - Another large project forward, but shows a lot of potential with raw ability.

(79) Justin Auger - For a player his size, he has exceptional skating skills. He needs to improve his core strength to be fast, but his feet work and balance is near the top of the class. His shot... isn't.

(81) Brian O'Neill - The most likeable thing about him is the sheer effort he puts in to every task. He reminds me of Jeff Giuliano in terms of how he plays.
Thanks KP for the continuing reports!

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I think the best part about these camps is watching those who stand out most from the crowd. There's an obvious cut above everyone else that is noticeable, and the hope is that the younger and less experienced guys at these camps get an impression of how much work they have to put in to improving their games and taking it to the next level.

Just from the past, the player that I recall standing out most was Cammalleri. He just oozed confidence as a scorer and compared to everyone else out there, he looked and performed like a pro. His shot, his ability to get open, etc. I haven't seen many players stand out like he has. Simmonds was another one who stood out for other reasons, as he looked like a scrawny kid but was deceptively the strongest player on the ice. Can't forget Kopitar too but it seemed unfair as by the time he came over he looked like a pro already.

But those are guys who were already knocking on the door of cracking an NHL roster. That's when our excitement level goes through the roof when we see a prospect at that level. From the current group, I think it's safe to say that Toffoli may be that standout player, and I'd label everyone else a work in progress.
I remember hearing that about Clifford. That he was a man playing against boys.
Maybe AA can follow suit. We'll see.

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I think the best part about these camps is watching those who stand out most from the crowd. There's an obvious cut above everyone else that is noticeable, and the hope is that the younger and less experienced guys at these camps get an impression of how much work they have to put in to improving their games and taking it to the next level.

Just from the past, the player that I recall standing out most was Cammalleri. He just oozed confidence as a scorer and compared to everyone else out there, he looked and performed like a pro. His shot, his ability to get open, etc. I haven't seen many players stand out like he has. Simmonds was another one who stood out for other reasons, as he looked like a scrawny kid but was deceptively the strongest player on the ice. Can't forget Kopitar too but it seemed unfair as by the time he came over he looked like a pro already.

But those are guys who were already knocking on the door of cracking an NHL roster. That's when our excitement level goes through the roof when we see a prospect at that level. From the current group, I think it's safe to say that Toffoli may be that standout player, and I'd label everyone else a work in progress.
The thing that I like most, and this is a testament to the scouting and the development of DL, is that you DON'T have as much a dichotomy any more with the players. In this case, it is pretty clear which players have played professionally and which ones haven't. In terms of experience, I think that most of the Manchester guys stack up well against each other, the collegiate guys stack up well against each other, and the junior guys stack up well.

But I remember the 2006 camp, when it was the Kopitar and O'Sullivan show, and everyone else was just window dressing. There was a clear separation amongst the players. Now... you can tell which players are further along, but you also know it's due to the development of the players as opposed to just having hits or misses.

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Is Sabourin kind of like Andreoff in terms of what their style of play is? Not that Sabourin is as good as, but that he plays a similar style?
I really can't say based off these camps. Sabourin's been one of the least noticeable players, for one. For two, there's not a whole lot of in-game situations where I can even say what type of game he plays. There have just been drills, and I've only seen one 3-on-3 scrimmage so far.

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Anyone know for sure if there will be an afternoon session tomorrow?

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Is Sabourin kind of like Andreoff in terms of what their style of play is? Not that Sabourin is as good as, but that he plays a similar style?
Something along those lines, but more of a late bloomer as a scorer at the junior level, and he can scrap.

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Sabourin, a six-foot-three, 203-pound right winger from the Ottawa area, is well on pace for careers highs with six goals, eight points and 27 penalty minutes through 10 games.
He made the Oshawa Generals as a try-out, went undrafted in his draft year (2012) and earned himself a contract with the Monarchs.
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Acquired by Oshawa through free-agency the Orleans, Ontario native has shown he can be a fierce competitor since day one. This season he has found a scoring touch as shown from his hat-trick against the London Knights on Oct. 14.
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Great to see the positive news about Andreoff again,

He was the most impressive forward to me in last years camp....glad to see that he's putting it all together. Think he might be closer to cracking the line-up than vey... our bottom 6 is going to look a lot different with the current roster situation/arbitration... a player like andreoff is better suited to play in the botto 6 than vey.

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Is Sabourin kind of like Andreoff in terms of what their style of play is? Not that Sabourin is as good as, but that he plays a similar style?
Yes. Andy is the better player but Sabouin is a fourth line guy who plays with energy and fights whoever although he's not a heavy height.

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Andreoff will probably replace Fraser after next season. Once he fills out he could prove to be one of the toughest Kings with his fighting ability.

Sanbourin looked good fighting in juniors but in one AHL fight last year he was beaten by Ryan Craig...who is not that good of a fighter. So Scotty has some work to do...but he has potential.

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I like the fact that AA never seems to get hurt with fight or checks. Kyle seems to be the opposite.

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I like the fact that AA never seems to get hurt with fight or checks. Kyle seems to be the opposite.
Clifford tore through the NHL at age 19 until Reaves put him to sleep. Outside of the Polak fight this year, he's never really looked the same again in the fighting department. Doesn't help that he got another concussion in the 2012 playoffs.

All it takes is one big shot form a legit heavy to change a guy, especially someone like Clifford who was not drafted to be a goon. Deadmarsh became an egg-shell head after getting clocked by Jovo in much the same way Reaves dropped Clifford.

Nolan should do the heavy-lifting in the fight department. Not as good of a player as Clifford, is bigger, can throw with both hands and has a better chin.

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