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07-11-2013, 01:08 PM
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You can't actually be an Oilers fan since you clearly haven't watched any of the games. Yakupov is far more physical than Vanek. The last thing we need is another erimeter player.
WOAH! I can understanding Edm not liking the trade - but Vanek a perimeter player?! What? You've apparently never seen him play. He scores at least half of his goals parked in front of the net taking a brutal beating. Its why he's injured so frequently - Vanek doesn't shy away from contact enough.

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07-11-2013, 01:08 PM
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We'll keep Ott, thanks. And I'm pretty sure Darcy won't be taking calls from Edmonton as long as Kevin Lowe is involved with the organization.
I don't believe that.
Edmonton and Anahiem have made deals since the Penner offer sheet.
Calgary and Colorado deal none stop since the Ryan Orielly abortion.

Short term memories in the NHL.

(Except for Pronger... He is still a DB)

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something around Ott for Gagner ?
Value wise, this is a good start. But this doesn't make the Oilers better. We have no other options for a 2nd line centre. So I'd pass.

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07-11-2013, 01:30 PM
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The sabres shouldn't be looking to move ott. This might **** some fans off but it's my opinion, the oilers haven't rebuilt properly because they don't have enough steve Ott's, sometimes when I watched them they lacked emotion. Hall and Yakupov are the two most emotional players on that team. It seems as if you need swagger and confidence to win a cup and Ott brings just that, the Oilers need more of that. just my 2cents.

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07-11-2013, 01:37 PM
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The sabres shouldn't be looking to move ott. This might **** some fans off but it's my opinion, the oilers haven't rebuilt properly because they don't have enough steve Ott's, sometimes when I watched them they lacked emotion. Hall and Yakupov are the two most emotional players on that team. It seems as if you need swagger and confidence to win a cup and Ott brings just that, the Oilers need more of that. just my 2cents.
117% true

But in the Oil's defence. With the #1 pick, you dont go looking for Steve Ott. You look for Steve Stamkos and find a way to get Ott later.
This is the exact thing we are doing. Boyd Gordon's overpayment is a prime example.
I don't blame Sabre fans for wanting to keep Ott. But are you in a position to win now? If not, then turning Ott into picks/prospects maybe wise (as long as you have other leadership remaining to help with the youth movement)

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07-11-2013, 01:46 PM
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117% true

If not, then turning Ott into picks/prospects maybe wise (as long as you have other leadership remaining to help with the youth movement)
Frankly, we don't. We had the youngest NHL roster at the end of last season and it looks to be that way again.

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07-11-2013, 02:04 PM
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This is quite possibly the worst trade proposal I have ever seen from an Oiler point of view.
You need to look at some more trade proposals.

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Value wise, this is a good start. But this doesn't make the Oilers better. We have no other options for a 2nd line centre. So I'd pass.
The Sabres would not trade Ott for Sam Gagner.

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If it's Yakupov, you can add Ennis to replace him first of all, then add Hackett + Larsson + +
"Here's where your trade proposal went off the rails. You offered your best player. Why would I want your best player? Get rid of him in the offer. Replace him with the undersized perimeter player someone described Vanek as. Now add some of the decent prospects you acquired when you traded away Pominville, a trade I read about. And now add MORE PLUSES because I don't know any other valuable assets that you have, but Yakupov is a generational forward, of which we only have four."

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07-11-2013, 02:55 PM
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Oilers have zero interest in trading Yakupov unless it's overpayment. You build teams around players like Yakupov. Yakupov is a 1st overall pick, let's get real.
That's not really the best way to look at a 1st overall pick. Last years draft class wasn't the strongest, Yakupov wasn't hyped up like Jones and McKinnon. Next years draft Connor McDavid is hyped up more than all 3 of those guys especially with Sid the Kid admiring his style of play.

What I'm trying to say is, some draft classes the 1st overall far exceeds that of the previous years 1st overall so by just basing a player by the position they were drafted is not the smartest way to look at a player.

For all you know the 2nd and 3rd overall in that draft class of last year with Yakupov could end up a better player in the future or even Grigorenko who for awhile was 1B next to Yakupov 1A in a few years could be that superstar the 1st overall was thought to be.

Your logic doesn't make sense.

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07-11-2013, 03:02 PM
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I like Vanek, but I'm not willing to part with our recent first overall draft pick and one of our top D prospects for a player that could walk in one year.

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What about Vanek for Eberle? I feel like Yak definitely has a higher ceiling, and Ebs would be more reasonable to target. Who knows, maybe we could work out a sign and trade? Vanek is exactly what that top 6 needs, a bull scorer that can break through traffic and be an elite net presence. Eberle is more of a perimeter player than Vanek is, so I think its an upgrade for EDM.

Maybe....

Vanek
McNabb (Punishing presence would look great on young oil Blueline)
Cond '14 2nd (If Vanek walks)

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Eberle
Cond '14 1st (if he extends. If EDM had Vanek and McNabb, this would be a pick in the late teens-20's.)

Or the picks could be avoided altogether if Vanek signed and was then traded.

That way the Oil get some compensation if he leaves, and still have McNabb. I doubt he would though, he was willing to years ago when he signed the offer sheet.

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something around Ott for Gagner ?
No way the Sabres trade Ott for Gagner.

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Sabres fans have the right to be upset with some of the comments in this thread, but that trade OP suggested is a fleecing by the Sabres - you'd be getting a potential 40 goal scorer for a player whose going to walk as a UFA.

As an Oilers fan, that's a no.

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NO no no no no no

Yakupov isn't going anywhere unless we're getting Weber and Nashville is paying for part of his contract.

No no no NO way to this deal.

Sorry, but no.
Weber at 50% salary

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07-11-2013, 05:25 PM
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117% true

But in the Oil's defence. With the #1 pick, you dont go looking for Steve Ott. You look for Steve Stamkos and find a way to get Ott later.
This is the exact thing we are doing. Boyd Gordon's overpayment is a prime example.
I don't blame Sabre fans for wanting to keep Ott. But are you in a position to win now? If not, then turning Ott into picks/prospects maybe wise (as long as you have other leadership remaining to help with the youth movement)
Exhibit A: Why the Oilers rebuild has been so brutal and long and they're still picking in the top 10. You need the right support players, or the team is never going to get any better.

And frankly, Buffalo doesn't have anything (or much of it) in the way of veteran leaders outside of Ott. He's a complementary piece, but one with the kind of attitude and work ethic that you hope rubs off on the younger guys. He seems genuinely happy to be in Buffalo, and with his BFF Weber locked up, I don't think we'll have any trouble signing him to an extension. I don't think anything he would reasonably return in a trade provides anything close to the value Ott himself does to this team right now.

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Sabres offer Myers, Ott, and Miller for Yak.

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117% true

But in the Oil's defence. With the #1 pick, you dont go looking for Steve Ott. You look for Steve Stamkos and find a way to get Ott later.
This is the exact thing we are doing. Boyd Gordon's overpayment is a prime example.
I don't blame Sabre fans for wanting to keep Ott. But are you in a position to win now? If not, then turning Ott into picks/prospects maybe wise (as long as you have other leadership remaining to help with the youth movement)

Buffalo's rebuilding project is nowhere near as long as edmontons. The feeling is this year is a step back then they are a bubble team in 14/15.

Ott is a leadership/character guy.

If they trade Ott then Weber likely gets dealt with. Him.

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Sabres offer Myers, Ott, and Miller for Yak.
no they don't. why are you so eager to move Myers?? have some patience and faith in the organization, If we're basing this solely off potential then Myers HAS THE POTENTIAL to be a #1 D-man, and Yakupov a number 1 Winger. #1D>#1W

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no they don't. why are you so eager to move Myers?? have some patience and faith in the organization, If we're basing this solely off potential then Myers HAS THE POTENTIAL to be a #1 D-man, and Yakupov a number 1 Winger. #1D>#1W
Because he's expendable with our D-Depth. We have Risto, Zadorov, Erhoff, Pysyk, McCabe, and McNabb.

I value Myers very highly, which is why I would only move him for a big piece, and we just drafted two D-Men who have just as much potential as Myers does to be Number 1 D-Men.

Question...do you think Pysyk and McCabe will be bottom pairing type of guys? Well if we keep all our D-Men, they probably will be.

Myers - Zadorov
Risto - Erhoff
Pysyk - McCabe

McNabb/Weber

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Because he's expendable with our D-Depth. We have Risto, Zadorov, Erhoff, Pysyk, McCabe, and McNabb.

I value Myers very highly, which is why I would only move him for a big piece, and we just drafted two D-Men who have just as much potential as Myers does to be Number 1 D-Men.

Question...do you think Pysyk and McCabe will be bottom pairing type of guys? Well if we keep all our D-Men, they probably will be.

Myers - Zadorov
Risto - Erhoff
Pysyk - McCabe

McNabb/Weber
So...Myers is expendable because of a bunch of kids who haven't even established that they're NHLers, let alone that they can replace his actual minutes or potential? Yeah, OK.

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The value is there with Vanek but I think he would have to be signed longer for this to even be considered a starting point. Buff would still have to add to the deal. Maybe a 2014 1st and I would almost insist on Tyler Myers on D instead of Erhoff if I were Edmonton! He's 8yrs younger and has the tools to be productive if he can stay healthy. And again this is considering Vanek signed for only the 1yr.

Nail Yakupov
Ales Hemsky
Martin Marincin

To EDM:

Thomas Vanek
Tyler Myers
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edit: misworded last sentence about how long Vanek signed for.


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So...Myers is expendable because of a bunch of kids who haven't even established that they're NHLers, let alone that they can replace his actual minutes or potential? Yeah, OK.
Why are you concerned about next year still? I hope they win 3 games next year.

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The value is there with Vanek but I think he would have to be signed longer for this to even be considered a starting point. Buff would still have to add to the deal. Maybe a 2014 1st and I would almost insist on Tyler Myers on D instead of Erhoff if I were Edmonton! He's 8yrs younger and has the tools to be productive if he can stay healthy. And again this is considering Vanek signed for longer then 1yr.

Nail Yakupov
Ales Hemsky
Martin Marincin

To EDM:

Thomas Vanek
Tyler Myers
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No one wants Hemsky and very few people out side of Edmonton look at Marincin the way you do, and for good reason.

Ridiculous.

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No one wants Hemsky and very few people out side of Edmonton look at Marincin the way you do, and for good reason.

Ridiculous.
Agreed nobody wants Hemsky but remember he's off the books after this season freeing up valuable cap space to get Yakupov signed longterm to a reasonable deal. The proposal I misworded the last sentence. It is suppose to be with Vanek signed for only a yr. trading him away and getting Yakupov would be a nice return. If Vanek was signed longer it would probably be a totally different situation. Also, keep in mind I'm not an Edmonton fan so I went by what people are saying about Marincin. If he's not a top end prospect then replace him in the deal with someone who is.


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