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06-19-2013, 11:25 AM
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No, by all means Hartford isn't, and the only CT fans who attend NHL games regularly are those Ranger season ticket holders in the SW part of the state.
Thank you, by and large Hartford is an untapped NHL market. There's $ to be made.


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06-19-2013, 11:48 AM
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the #39 and #46 MSA's in the USA are of no interest to the NHL, especially since they are both growing at less than 1%. I'm sure the NHL would jettison Buffalo if they could as well, but Pegula showed up. I mean for god's sake, Hartford is smaller than Ottawa, the "worst" current canadian market, and Milwaukee is only a couple hundred thousand ahead of us.

No one is suggesting that either of those cities are not hockey country, but Milwaukee and Hartford serve the NHL long-term much better as Hawks and Bruins sattelites. As actual NHL cities, they''re among the worst in the league.
Hartford has 2Mil within a 30 min drive of the XL Center almost all of those people are not attending NHL games in Boston/NY, these people and Connecticut as a state have the most disposable income in the United States and the NHL is seeing none of that. The tv market size is larger than Buffalo, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, Columbus and Kansas City add in some of the Springfield-Holyoke market which was pro Whalers during their existence and you could easily put Hartford ahead of Nashville and Raleigh as well.

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06-19-2013, 11:59 AM
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Between New Haven-Hartford-Bridgeport there's $175 BIL in disposable income it only takes $37.6 Bil for an NHL team.

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The reason why Hartford *might* be attractive to the NHL is the past history of the Whalers.

If you put a team into Kansas City or Milwaukee you're starting from scratch in terms of building a fan base. That can be incredibly difficult to do. But in Hartford, or Quebec City (and Winnipeg) you have a generation of fans who grew up with 'their' NHL team, and are now adults in their 30s and 40s with lots of disposable income to spend on professional hockey.

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The reason why Hartford *might* be attractive to the NHL is the past history of the Whalers.

If you put a team into Kansas City or Milwaukee you're starting from scratch in terms of building a fan base. That can be incredibly difficult to do. But in Hartford, or Quebec City (and Winnipeg) you have a generation of fans who grew up with 'their' NHL team, and are now adults in their 30s and 40s with lots of disposable income to spend on professional hockey.
You're right and also no other sports competitors in the marketplace just like Quebec and Wpg.

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The reason why Hartford *might* be attractive to the NHL is the past history of the Whalers.

If you put a team into Kansas City or Milwaukee you're starting from scratch in terms of building a fan base. That can be incredibly difficult to do. But in Hartford, or Quebec City (and Winnipeg) you have a generation of fans who grew up with 'their' NHL team, and are now adults in their 30s and 40s with lots of disposable income to spend on professional hockey.
Kansas City is a past NHL market....

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06-19-2013, 12:58 PM
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Kansas City is a past NHL market....
Semantics. They had a team for 2 seasons almost 40 years ago. You really think there's a large group of Scouts fans still hanging around KC like the Whalers in Connecticut, Nordiques in Quebec or Jets in Winnipeg? Yukon Joe is right you're still going to start from scratch in KC, the scouts existence was too brief and long ago to have much if any effect.

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Kansas City is a past NHL market....
True, but the Scouts only existed for a couple years and didn't really make a deep impact on the local sports scene.

The Whalers, on the other hand, were the team in Hartford for a generation and have been a major part of the local's public psyche for a generation after they left, much in the same way the the original Jets and the Nordiques were huge parts of Winnipeg and Quebec even a decade+ after they left.

That being said, I would say that Kansas City has a significantly more likely chance at getting an NHL team, through expansion or relocation, than Hartford, for better or worse.

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That being said, I would say that Kansas City has a significantly more likely chance at getting an NHL team, through expansion or relocation, than Hartford, for better or worse.
At this point in time, probably due to the Sprint Center, but things can change by the time expansion happens.


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Kansas City is a past NHL market....
KC Scouts existed from 1974-1976. Hartford Whalers existed 1974-1997. Scouts did exist long enough for the "kids grew up with their favourite team" to happen, while the Whalers certainly did.

Look - I don't know the market very well, so I can't say whether the NHL would ever return there. But when looking at Hartford and Quebec City there is an element that makes them both very different from any other potential markets...

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KC Scouts existed from 1974-1976. Hartford Whalers existed 1974-1997. Scouts did exist long enough for the "kids grew up with their favourite team" to happen, while the Whalers certainly did.

Look - I don't know the market very well, so I can't say whether the NHL would ever return there. But when looking at Hartford and Quebec City there is an element that makes them both very different from any other potential markets...
It is primarily because of the teams history. That is why those markets are so solid.

They were great back in the day. They'd still be great today. Hartford would make many $$$ as a hockey team destination.

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Between New Haven-Hartford-Bridgeport there's $175 BIL in disposable income it only takes $37.6 Bil for an NHL team.

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It is primarily because of the teams history. That is why those markets are so solid.

They were great back in the day. They'd still be great today. Hartford would make many $$$ as a hockey team destination.
No, it wouldn't. The NHL belongs in markets where:

1) The region is unserved by existing teams (Seattle...NW.....and Quebec)

2) Markets with expected large future growth (sunbelt...NW).

Hartford is in the northeast, which is actually over served by current NHL teams and not growing.

Further...Hartford is combined with New Haven...it's not like we are talking one big city with a vibrant downtown...we are talking about two spread out, medium sized cities that are pissing stops between NY and BOS with no real downtown or attractions. It wouldn't work...Raleigh at least is growing, as is Nashville, and are destinations in themselves,

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06-20-2013, 09:16 PM
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Thank you, by and large Hartford is an untapped NHL market. There's $ to be made.
I disagree as stated above, but you are in correct in that Hartford is NOT an extension of Boston for hockey. It just isn't...only extreme NE CT is Bruins country...the Celtics generated more buzz in 2008 and 2010.

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People in Connecticut like hockey, but I don't know if it's a large enough business market.

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What does Hartford have that money losing Buffalo does not?

Unlike Quebec City and Winnipeg, conditions have actually worsened since their team relocation. It's a shame, some of the most passionate fans in the league, and one of the best brands in all of sports, but someone's gotta tell it like it is.

Also similar in size to Columbus, Carolina, and Nashville, all losing money (although one could argue they would have been better off in Hartford than moving to Carolina).

The only way the NHL goes to Hartford is if they renovate their arena, and get a relocation franchise when there's no where else to go.

Also read post #237

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What does Hartford have that money losing Buffalo does not?

Unlike Quebec City and Winnipeg, conditions have actually worsened since their team relocation. It's a shame, some of the most passionate fans in the league, and one of the best brands in all of sports, but someone's gotta tell it like it is.

Also similar in size to Columbus, Carolina, and Nashville, all losing money (although one could argue they would have been better off in Hartford than moving to Carolina).

The only way the NHL goes to Hartford is if they renovate their arena, and get a relocation franchise when there's no where else to go.

Also read post #237
Exactly. You know anytime I read about how viable Hartford is or how "inferior" New York is compared to Boston or Chicago I just shake my head at the collective ignorance of so many jv misinformed HF posters who have no perspective on either market.

Hartford is not equal in size or larger than Buffalo, Coumbus, or Nashville. It has to ADD New Haven, a city 30+ miles south. Hartford and New Haven really aren't big cities, they are medium sized markets not much different than say Albany or Scranton...they just happen to be close enough to merge and look competitive to Nashville in size.

What people fail to see is that area already is saturated with NY and BOS fans, and the market is splintered, heavily suburban, with no vibrant downtown or sense of community.
Compare downtown Hartford and New Haven to Columbus, Nashville, and Raleigh and you will see why Hartford is not a viable option.

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What does Hartford have that money losing Buffalo does not?

Unlike Quebec City and Winnipeg, conditions have actually worsened since their team relocation. It's a shame, some of the most passionate fans in the league, and one of the best brands in all of sports, but someone's gotta tell it like it is.

Also similar in size to Columbus, Carolina, and Nashville, all losing money (although one could argue they would have been better off in Hartford than moving to Carolina).

The only way the NHL goes to Hartford is if they renovate their arena, and get a relocation franchise when there's no where else to go.

Also read post #237
A corporate base? Location? Lack of other pro sports? ESPN & NBC Sports HQ?
Could always move the Devils there to keep the 3 NY area team thing going. Maybe the Islanders move there once their TV deal runs out and they get sick of playing in an NBA arena.

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A corporate base? Location? Lack of other pro sports? ESPN & NBC Sports HQ?
Could always move the Devils there to keep the 3 NY area team thing going. Maybe the Islanders move there once their TV deal runs out and they get sick of playing in an NBA arena.
Well Charles Wang categorized the lease agreement with Barcleys as "iron clad". So the Isles aren't moving for 25 years.

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@WhalerWatch: According to @TheBackPage, former Whaler Nick Kypreos @RealKyper said on radio "people with money still think Hartford can work for the NHL"

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I'd love to see Hartford get their team back. But they are no where close to being a priority.

Get an arena then we'll start talking. Until then boycott all Wolf Pack merchandise and stay away from the arena. Wish for the day the Rangers leave their territory and reclaim it as Whaler territory.


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@WhalerWatch: According to @TheBackPage, former Whaler Nick Kypreos @RealKyper said on radio "people with money still think Hartford can work for the NHL"
How many of the "people with money" are willing to foot the bill for a new arena and then buy a team, though?

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