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07-12-2013, 10:25 AM
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So what has Hagelin done to deserve 2,25 mill ? He is not even good enough for Swedens Olympic team. He does not produce more than Zucc either
Clearly, the organization thought Hagelin is worth what he was paid, thus why they made sure he was signed (and Falk too) before arbitration

Again, I may be reading into this wrong, but it seems you're trying to push the narrative that Zuccarello is more important to this team than Hagelin. A narrative which I might have to disagree with

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This player has proven nothing to get a one way deal at a decent buck.

The only reason his .ppg isnt +0.7~ is because the rangers managed to blow a number of barndoor chances that zucc fed directly onto their blade, ready for scoring. That is why people are making a fuzz about it.

It's pretty easy to throw around a number, and yet completely discount the fact that a production is also dependant on your linesmates. And the last time I checked, Brian Boyle is not Hockey Jesus when it comes to putting the chances.

I'll much rather take what he offered in the sample size, and that was being one of the better Rangers both in the running, and the PO's. Anything between 1.5 - 1.75 is completely reasonable, anything less is on the wrong side of reasonable

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The only reason his .ppg isnt +0.7~ is because the rangers managed to blow a number of barndoor chances that zucc fed directly onto their blade, ready for scoring. That is why people are making a fuzz about it.

It's pretty easy to throw around a number, and yet completely discount the fact that a production is also dependant on your linesmates. And the last time I checked, Brian Boyle is not Hockey Jesus when it comes to putting the chances.

I'll much rather take what he offered in the sample size, and that was being one of the better Rangers both in the running, and the PO's. Anything between 1.5 - 1.75 is completely reasonable, anything less is on the wrong side of reasonable
There are many good set up guys in this league. If Kunitz or Dupuis didn't blow the barndoor chances Crosby feeds them, he'd be a 150 point player.

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Clearly, the organization thought Hagelin is worth what he was paid, thus why they made sure he was signed (and Falk too) before arbitration

Again, I may be reading into this wrong, but it seems you're trying to push the narrative that Zuccarello is more important to this team than Hagelin. A narrative which I might have to disagree with
Hagelin is just as productive offensively, MUCH faster, better schooled, and more versatile throughout the lineup.

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Here we go again.

Mats Zuccarello -- makes the team "look good" without the production.
Not all positive attributes can be quantified. With Zucc on the team - especially on the PP - there was more offensive creativity and puck movement. It's not his fault if the less than offensively stellar team around him derped solid chances time and again.

Zucc's vision and passing ability open up the ice more and create more chances. Whether or not his teammates can cash in is on them, not on him.

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So what has Hagelin done to deserve 2,25 mill ? He is not even good enough for Swedens Olympic team. He does not produce more than Zucc either


Hagelin is 10X the player MZA is. Stop the nonsense.

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The NHL has become the Nr 1 socialist league in sports. It can't pay its players even 30% of what they would make elsewhere (in Zuccs case probably more like 10-15%).
Either you are really poor at math, or you have a ridiculously inflated sense of Zucc's worth.

1.25 mil is only 10-15% of what he could get elsewhere? Seriously?

What team in the SEL or KHL is paying him 8.3 to 12.5 mil per season?

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Either you are really poor at math, or you have a ridiculously inflated sense of Zucc's worth.

1.25 mil is only 10-15% of what he could get elsewhere? Seriously?

What team in the SEL or KHL is paying him 8.3 to 12.5 mil per season?
10-15% is exaggerated a lot, but you're not taking the 13% flat tax in Russia into account.

Zuccarello pays about 46% of his salary in taxes and then (this year at least), another 17% on escrow. Suddenly the 1.25 mil becomes 462k. After a 13% tax rate in Russia, his salary would only need to be 3.55 mil for his salary here to be 15% of what it is there. Not as ludicrous as you might imagine.

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10-15% is exaggerated a lot, but you're not taking the 13% flat tax in Russia into account.

Zuccarello pays about 46% of his salary in taxes and then (this year at least), another 17% on escrow. Suddenly the 1.25 mil becomes 462k. After a 13% tax rate in Russia, his salary would only need to be 3.55 mil for his salary here to be 15% of what it is there. Not as ludicrous as you might imagine.
How much of that 17% is he getting back at the end of the year?

I couldn't find any salary terms for Zucc's KHL contract, but I can't imagine it was for more than 2 mil.

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How much of that 17% is he getting back at the end of the year?

I couldn't find any salary terms for Zucc's KHL contract, but I can't imagine it was for more than 2 mil.
None. 8% was the established rate at the beginning of the year. All NHL players have to pony up more money for the NHL.

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Hagelin is 10X the player MZA is. Stop the nonsense.
haha that is the stupidest thing I ever I have heard

you dont win Stanley Cup with top 6 forwards like Hagelin, get real

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haha that is the stupidest thing I ever I have heard

you dont win Stanley Cup with top 6 forwards like Hagelin, get real
While I dont necessarily disagree regarding Hagelin's spot in the lineup, I fail to see what that has to do with Zuccarello.

Hagelin is a legit NHL'er because, even if he cant produce offensively at a top 6 level, he does plenty of other things well. He kills penalties, he's well-versed away from the puck, and his speed is a real X-factor.

Zuccarello? Im not so sure hes a true NHL'er at this point - and it sure seems like the Rangers feel the same way. For all that offensive wizardry and creativity, he really doesnt produce all that much, and he does nothing else particularly well.

Hagelin is a better player. Period.

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07-12-2013, 01:48 PM
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haha that is the stupidest thing I ever I have heard

you dont win Stanley Cup with top 6 forwards like Hagelin, get real
You don't win the Cup with top 6 forwards like Zuccarello either. And that wasn't his argument anyway


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Zuccarello has all the makings if a very good PP player. If he can develop into that while providing good 5v5 play that is his major ticket to the NHL. Multi-dimensional is a big key for him as I doubt he will ever PK.

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When did this turn into a "anti xx player" thread?

The number throw out there pure speculation and besides anyone that's been in any type of negotiation knows that you start high and go down after that..

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Zucc will get 2 year 3.5 million at the end. 1.25 to 2.25 split between. Some coditional things may be added.

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When did this turn into a "anti xx player" thread?

The number throw out there pure speculation and besides anyone that's been in any type of negotiation knows that you start high and go down after that..
Most people are talking about it like its a negotiation.

Although I find the argument that Zuccarello would be putting up more points if he played with better players to be a pretty comical one.

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None. 8% was the established rate at the beginning of the year. All NHL players have to pony up more money for the NHL.
This year. What about next year? Revenues are expected to increase quite a bit.

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Hagelin is 10X the player MZA is. Stop the nonsense.
only because he PKs, otherwise they both bring similar impact at ES.

Hagelin PPG: 0.55
MZA PPG: 0.50

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If AV wants to have (2) offensive lines and a defensive line, Hagelin is the best LWer for the job. Put Kreider and Pouliot on the offensive lines to provide some size and away we go.

Same with for Callahan as with Hagelin above. MZA and Nash on the offensive lines. That makes the most sense.

However, an issue arises if Hagelin and Callahan start the season on the DL. Then what? I guess he could use the Boyle-Moore-Dorsett line as his defensive line as well.

I think he has a legitimate place on this team and I hope he is re-signed. See what he can do over a full season.

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If AV wants to have (2) offensive lines and a defensive line, Hagelin is the best LWer for the job. Put Kreider and Pouliot on the offensive lines to provide some size and away we go.

Same with for Callahan as with Hagelin above. MZA and Nash on the offensive lines. That makes the most sense.

However, an issue arises if Hagelin and Callahan start the season on the DL. Then what? I guess he could use the Boyle-Moore-Dorsett line as his defensive line as well.

I think he has a legitimate place on this team and I hope he is re-signed. See what he can do over a full season.
I worry about it much more than you. Our LW depth is hideous.

You can say "put Kreider and Pouliot on the 2 offensive lines," but theres that little problem where neither player has been a consistent offensive threat during their time in the NHL.

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How much of that 17% is he getting back at the end of the year?

I couldn't find any salary terms for Zucc's KHL contract, but I can't imagine it was for more than 2 mil.
It was reported in Norwegian media that his salary in the KHL was between 14 and 16 million Norwegian kroner pr year. This would be somewhere around 2.4-2.6 Million USD, keep in mind that income tax for pro athletes in Russia is only 13%. He lost a lot of money by going back to NY last year.

http://www.tv2.no/sport/ishockey/zuc...v-4086948.html

In this article from Norwegian TV2 today, Zuccarello states that Larry Brooks article from NY Post is wrong and that he is not demanding 2 mill. He also says that they are not far apart and that he thinks the contract will be sorted out before arbitration. My guess is that he wants 1.7 and Rangers are offering 1.3, they will probably end up with 1.5.

He also says that his agents have told him that there is some intrest around the league and he might get traded.

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It was reported in Norwegian media that his salary in the KHL was between 14 and 16 million Norwegian kroner pr year. This would be somewhere around 2.4-2.6 Million USD, keep in mind that income tax for pro athletes in Russia is only 13%. He lost a lot of money by going back to NY last year.

http://www.tv2.no/sport/ishockey/zuc...v-4086948.html

In this article from Norwegian TV2 today, Zuccarello states that Larry Brooks article from NY Post is wrong and that he is not demanding 2 mill. He also says that they are not far apart and that he thinks the contract will be sorted out before arbitration. My guess is that he wants 1.7 and Rangers are offering 1.3, they will probably end up with 1.5.

He also says that his agents have told him that there is some intrest around the league and he might get traded.
Thanks for the link and the update.

I'm pretty sure I read that the Rangers were willing to go up to 1.5, but with all the numbers being thrown around the last week, maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I think it will get done.

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