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07-13-2013, 05:23 AM
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Should Markov complete his contract and be let go, be extended, or traded?

Question #1: Do you want Markov to be extended, be traded, or be let go at the end of the season?
Question #2: Do you expect Markov to be extended, be traded, or be let go at the end of the season?

My view is that the critics of Markov on this forum are underrating him, and that he is still an effective second pairing dman who will look better this year as some of his minutes are shifted to Subban. Ideally we should resign him for something of the order of 3 years @ 4 million per, though Bergevin might pay more since he overpays, which may be due to him "not being a numbers guy".

Markov is tradeable if both Diaz and Beaulieu take very significant steps forward, and if we get a good package in return. I think the minimum return for us to trade him is the equivalent of two 1st rounders, or a young stud like we got back in the Halak trade.

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I hope we can trade him to help the new faces coming up

I feel like he will get a 2 year deal

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i want him to stay and expect that as well.

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07-13-2013, 06:31 AM
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Question #1: Do you want Markov to be extended, be traded, or be let go at the end of the season?
Question #2: Do you expect Markov to be extended, be traded, or be let go at the end of the season?

My view is that the critics of Markov on this forum are underrating him, and that he is still an effective second pairing dman who will look better this year as some of his minutes are shifted to Subban. Ideally we should resign him for something of the order of 3 years @ 4 million per, though Bergevin might pay more since he overpays, which may be due to him "not being a numbers guy".

Markov is tradeable if both Diaz and Beaulieu take very significant steps forward, and if we get a good package in return. I think the minimum return for us to trade him is the equivalent of two 1st rounders, or a young stud like we got back in the Halak trade.
first of all Diaz is a weak defender as we all saw in the playoffs , he cant be in your top 4 so he goes

Markov 2 firsts cmon .. stop dreaming , with his history of injury anything of value would make sense ...at best a mid level prospect and a low #1

remember we got Eller for Halak after he went ape crap in the playoffs and was 24 with value for the future , Markov is 35 and best days r over

bottom line the Markov era is over folks , time to turn the page and move on

Nathan is his replacement , Dietz will be up one day , Tinordi and others and getting closer to the team

we arent winning a cup or moving to contender status and Markov like Koivu years ago time is up , OUR CURRENT D FROM LAST YEAR IS BRUTAL BEYOND PK AND EMELIN

trade him at the deadline

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07-13-2013, 06:40 AM
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I know that Diaz was weak in the playoffs, but do fans not say that about 95% of players in their first playoffs? Playing in the playoffs for the first time must be kind of like playing in the NHL for the first time.

You know how Subban rocked the 2010 playoffs? That's the exception.

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first of all Diaz is a weak defender as we all saw in the playoffs , he cant be in your top 4 so he goes

Markov 2 firsts cmon .. stop dreaming , with his history of injury anything of value would make sense ...at best a mid level prospect and a low #1

remember we got Eller for Halak after he went ape crap in the playoffs and was 24 with value for the future , Markov is 35 and best days r over

bottom line the Markov era is over folks , time to turn the page and move on

Nathan is his replacement , Dietz will be up one day , Tinordi and others and getting closer to the team

we arent winning a cup or moving to contender status and Markov like Koivu years ago time is up , OUR CURRENT D FROM LAST YEAR IS BRUTAL BEYOND PK AND EMELIN

trade him at the deadline
Well we have all seen how well getting rid of Koivu has worked for us...
Wish he was still here. The problem was that we were playing Koivu as a first line centre when he should have been a second or third.

I see the same with Markov. He is declining but would still be one of the best third or fourth dmen in the game. The difference is that we have Subban to be #1 where we didn't have anyone to be #1 for Koivu.

I would love to see Markov re-sign for less and be a second pairing, 1st PP guy. Something around 4 million would be fair I think, but then again we have all seen what guys like Gonchar are getting.

And Markov would absolutely be a big part of a Stanley Cup winner. I like Beaulieu but he is nowhere near as impactful as Markov. He could be in 5 years, but that is doubtful.

BTW, a per-emotive stat...Markov played in all 53 Habs games this year plus 21 in Russia. He is healthy.

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Question #1: Do you want Markov to be extended, be traded, or be let go at the end of the season?
Question #2: Do you expect Markov to be extended, be traded, or be let go at the end of the season?

My view is that the critics of Markov on this forum are underrating him, and that he is still an effective second pairing dman who will look better this year as some of his minutes are shifted to Subban. Ideally we should resign him for something of the order of 3 years @ 4 million per, though Bergevin might pay more since he overpays, which may be due to him "not being a numbers guy".

Markov is tradeable if both Diaz and Beaulieu take very significant steps forward, and if we get a good package in return. I think the minimum return for us to trade him is the equivalent of two 1st rounders, or a young stud like we got back in the Halak trade.
Sure Bergevin overpays, just ask Subban!! LOL

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Depends how Beaulieu progresses during the season, if he is doing well in the first half of the season, to be honest I would be looking at moving Markov and getting younger. Something like the Sharks did last year with Clowe and Murray while remaining competetive.

Markov and Gionta should be moved next season but that's my opinion cause I don't think either will be back

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Extended if he's willing to take a home town discount. I think that's in the realm of possibility. Really want Markov to retire as a Hab and I think he might feel that way as well.


Hard to say what will happen cuz I know MB is going to want to load up on cheap young players and Markov can fetch that. So, no idea since you never know what he'll be offered.


Beaulieu is so freakin far from being a shadow of a replacement for Markov! Maybe in several years and even then, no wayyy he becomes as good as 79 in his prime.

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This is a hard call...alot of factors.

I think he will be extended for 2 yrs at a reduced rate, around 3.0M and at a reduced role in 5vs5 icetime, and will continue to help Subban run the PP

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Bergevin will lowball him just to say he made an offer and Markov will go to UFA.

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I hope Markov learns to be more conservative 5v5. If he does that, he'll remain very useful for another 3 years at least. But hopefully our coaches realize that playing him 25 min a night against top opposition and Subban 20 min a night is pretty much ********. It's hard for me to imagine circumstances where Markov should/could play more than Subban in any given game. In a top 4 role PMD and PP specialist role, it doesn't get much better than Markov.

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Markov might be traded, depending on how Beaulieu progressses this season in Hamilton. As for the poster above yes Beaulieu can replace a 34 year old Markov. Markov still possesses elite hockey sense, but his skating ability has been shot. Beaulieu might never be as good as Markov was in his prime but I think he could replace an aging Markov.

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If we are not in the play-off picture, he should definitely be traded to get a 1st and top prospect at the deadline.

If we are, you keep him and work on his extension ASAP but it should be for a lower dollar amount.

Tired of letting players of Markov's ilk go for nothing.

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Well you have your options.

- Re-sign him to his final contract. The sensical thing.
- Trade him on Trade Deadline Day.
- Let him walk.

Main priority in this case is to start discussions and get a feel for what Markov is thinking. Does he still have gas left in the tank? Can he go another year or two, or three? Does he want to retire a Hab? If any of those questions receives a no, or any hesitation whatsoever, Bergevin should then look into trading him. On Trade Deadline, many teams will look to overpay, especially for a seasoned vet than can help them on the powerplay and that has a reputation for being generally good. The return would be something like a 1st round pick and a prospect. We've seen crazier trades before, so it's safe to assume that return would be reasonable. Maybe even more.

If he answers yes to all those questions, sign him up to his retirement contract, ride him out and let him leave hockey as a member of the Montreal Canadiens.

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If we are not in the play-off picture, he should definitely be traded to get a 1st and top prospect at the deadline.

If we are, you keep him and work on his extension ASAP but it should be for a lower dollar amount.

Tired of letting players of Markov's ilk go for nothing.
I completely agree with this.

I also agree with DAChampion that 3 years @ 4 Million per sounds reasonable. Markov isn't as good as he once was, but he's still an excellent offensive defenseman that's solid in a 2nd pairing role.

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Keep him around for another 2 years as a mentor for Beaulieu.

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i'm not sold on beaulieu yet. he could become solid top 4 offensive d-men like ehrhoff, but could become next cody franson, too.

letting markov walk and putting all money on bealieu's develepment wouldn't be a smartest thing, imo.

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i'm not sold on beaulieu yet. he could become solid top 4 offensive d-men like ehrhoff, but could become next cody franson, too.

letting markov walk and putting all money on bealieu's develepment wouldn't be a smartest thing, imo.
Well I don't think any of us want Beaulieu to be rushed in the NHL, with that said if we aren't battling for a playoff spot next season there are going to be teams calling to see if Markov is available. We could get a very good return, one that would help us in the future if you get picks + a prospect.

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I'd wish him well and attempt to trade him to a contender at the deadline. The time has come for some new blood on the blueline.

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It would mainly depends on the offers he might fetch.

I wouldn't be against trading him, nor be against extend him for his last contract.

But I think that would be conditionnal to a (slight) paycut, considering he's, unless proven otherwise, not a Top-2 D anymore. Otherwise, I think he's the kind of guy you actually want to keep on your team.

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This is one of those rare sign and trade opportunities.

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This is one of those rare sign and trade opportunities.
That would lack of class for this organisation. The guy played well his whole career for us and when he is about to have his final contract you backstab him, that's real class right there.

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So much fail in this thread.

Markov was healthy last year and top 5 scorer among dmen. And he's 34, not 44! He's a very smart guy and will most likely adjust his game as time goes by. He was gased last year, but it may be due to the fact that he didn't play much in the preceeding years. Used properly, he could be effective for the next 3-4 years.

If he maintains his level of play next year and the Habs offer him 2y @3M, he will understandably leave. And who will run our PP?

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Either re-sin him or trade him. I don't want to see him leave for nothing.

My preference is to re-sign him, lower term, lower salary.

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