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07-13-2013, 08:57 AM
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So much fail in this thread.

Markov was healthy last year and top 5 scorer among dmen. And he's 34, not 44! He's a very smart guy and will most likely adjust his game as time goes by. He was gased last year, but it may be due to the fact that he didn't play much in the preceeding years. Used properly, he could be effective for the next 3-4 years.

If he maintains his level of play next year and the Habs offer him 2y @3M, he will understandably leave. And who will run our PP?
Excellent post! I expect even better results from Markov this year, since he will be able to focus on getting ready for a hockey season instead of just rehabbing his knee.

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07-13-2013, 08:58 AM
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I both want and expect to see him extended. Subban and Markov is such a strong 1-2 punch on defence. It's no coincidence that when Markov struggled at the end of the season the team went into a tail spin.

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07-13-2013, 09:06 AM
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Do other fanbases obsess over trading their productive assets who spent their entire career in Montreal as much as we do?

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Right time to trade him was 3 or 4 years ago when we should've started over and done a proper rebuild.

Now? Again, we're in that "in between stage" where we're not really contenders but we're up and coming. Even worse, our blueline is very weak right now. If we could trade him for a young defenseman (something I don't think we could get for him anymore) then sure.

He's still a great PP quarterback right now so he might be able to get a good return but who do we replace him with? PK could probably do it but our blueline is so thin back there...

The real problem is that PK, Max and Price are coming into their prime now. So for every year that we waste now it's a wasted year for them. Go for it now or continue to semi-rebuild? It's a precarious position for MB because the guys before him didn't rebuild the way they should. Adding Briere though didn't help so I guess I'm of the mindset that we might as well trade Markov for a younger blueliner. That blueliner though would have to be in his early 20s and ready to play. We'd have to look for a team trying to win it now and in need of PP help. No easy task. So even if Markov were to waive his NTC it's still not going to be easy to trade him so my guess is that we're stuck with him. Not the worst thing in the world but I don't see how we can move him for what we'd want now.


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07-13-2013, 09:13 AM
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So much fail in this thread.

Markov was healthy last year and top 5 scorer among dmen. And he's 34, not 44! He's a very smart guy and will most likely adjust his game as time goes by. He was gased last year, but it may be due to the fact that he didn't play much in the preceeding years. Used properly, he could be effective for the next 3-4 years.

If he maintains his level of play next year and the Habs offer him 2y @3M, he will understandably leave. And who will run our PP?
He's 34 with a LOT of miles. He's in decline for sure and more and more is a PP specialist. He's great on the PP (among the best in the league) but that's about all he's good for now.

2y at 4 is the most I'd give him. But letting him walk for zero is simply not an option.

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07-13-2013, 09:14 AM
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I want him and Plekanec to retire as a Hab.

Let's see how he does this season before deciding if he should return or not

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07-13-2013, 09:29 AM
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Too much depends on this upcoming season and Markov himself before really answering those questions. Personally, I want to see Markov continue to stay healthy and succeed, be re-signed for a few more seasons and retire a Hab.

If the team continues to progress this season, and not regress and miss the playoffs, I expect him to stay. He's proven during his career that the Habs are a much better team with him on the ice and is one of if not the best PP dmen in the league. His role should be reduced and should play the veteran and PP role on the third pairing.

The D squad does need to be improved but I think that is by improving both Gorges and Diaz with players that fit our needs and compliment the other four better.

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Re-sign him. Markov is still an extremely valuable player to this team.

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07-13-2013, 09:31 AM
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If he wants to stay and he doesn't demand stupid money, you have to keep him. Still good on the PP and good in the room I imagine

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07-13-2013, 09:33 AM
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Gonchar at 39 just got 5 million. If Markov stay relatively healthy he will easily get over 5 on the open market. Theres no chance you can keep him in Montreal for 3 -4 million. Look what Mark Streit got. Its all up to his knee

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Gonchar at 39 just got 5 million. If Markov stay relatively healthy he will easily get over 5 on the open market. Theres no chance you can keep him in Montreal for 3 -4 million. Look what Mark Streit got. Its all up to his knee
Hopefully it is more about winning in MTL for him than the money. A retirement contract with declining salary may get the cap down there though.

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07-13-2013, 09:42 AM
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So you guys really wanna trade Markov ?

Like its that easy to find a puck moving defenseman that can quaterback the powerplay.

I would sign him 10M/2 years

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07-13-2013, 10:55 AM
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Resign him

I'd offer up a 3 year deal at 4.5-5M. He takes a little less than market value and helps this team move forward and retires a Canadien....the guy became a citizen of this country for a good reason, he loves it here.


IMO, He's much better than gonchar, he can play defense. Give Marky 15mins EV and add in top end PP. Time (avg about 18-20mins/game)

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07-13-2013, 11:10 AM
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Markov has come back at about 80% and every year going forward he will lose more speed. He was a bit over priced last year and he will continue to drop in value. He has a NTC so habs have him for one more year. With Tinordi and Beaulieu needing a few more months, the timing is good right now. Keep Markov until the end of his contract. Markov has his Canadian Citizenship so it's clear he wants to stay. He may want to retire after because of his knees. I don't think anybody will sign him at 5.5 mil anymore. 3 mil max at this point. The problem the habs have is he could be replaced easily with many hab d-man prospects at this point. He has served the Habs well for many years and the Habs have made him a multimillionaire. His time with the Habs and the NHL is almost over.

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07-13-2013, 11:23 AM
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You guys think we will be able to re-sign him at 3 per?

My hope would be 4.5 to 5 per year for a couple years.

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07-13-2013, 11:58 AM
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re-sign him. Elite offensive player who cracked the top five in D scoring after being gone for two seasons. Slowed down a bit at the end of the year but with the team knowing they don't have to dump everything on him and can put the big minutes on Subban, he should play a more relaxed game. There is absolutely no possible way we're going to find a guy to replace Markov unless it comes years down the road in our system with Beaulieu. Give him a retirement deal. Montreal needs the General more than the General needs us.

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07-13-2013, 12:04 PM
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Let him go. Not worth if more than $2M per year as he's worthless 5 on 5.

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Do other fanbases obsess over trading their productive assets who spent their entire career in Montreal as much as we do?
We have a long history of letting free agents go when they have high value. We could've turned the boat around earlier had we dished Souray when we had the chance.. Komisarek, too.

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We have a long history of letting free agents go when they have high value. We could've turned the boat around earlier had we dished Souray when we had the chance.. Komisarek, too.
Streit... Koivu... Kovalev... the list goes on and on.

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We have a long history of letting free agents go when they have high value. We could've turned the boat around earlier had we dished Souray when we had the chance.. Komisarek, too.
Montreal also has a long history of letting go high scoring defencemen and then scrambling to find solutions to replace them.

You only trade a player with high value when you know they are playing beyond their means. Markov is as good as his numbers show. That's why this team looks middle road without him and wins divisions with him.

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Well we have all seen how well getting rid of Koivu has worked for us...
Wish he was still here. The problem was that we were playing Koivu as a first line centre when he should have been a second or third.
I don't think getting rid of Koivu really made or broke us. We never really improved but the very next year we did go farther in the playoffs than Koivu ever took us. Koivu probably should have been traded at some point, rather than kept until the end of his contract. Markov has been pretty crucial to whatever success we have had, however. Just look at the Habs record with Markov and without, for the past 5 years or so.

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If he is properly managed, he can still be a very effective asset.

We get it, he is no longer able to shutdown top opponent lines like he used to so don't put him in that situation. He can still be effective against lower lines and remains among the best on the PP.

He took discounts in the past to stay in Montreal, took Canadian citizenship and never made waves in the media. I hope a loyal player like him will get a chance to retire as a Hab.

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07-13-2013, 12:29 PM
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I don't think getting rid of Koivu really made or broke us. We never really improved but the very next year we did go farther in the playoffs than Koivu ever took us. Koivu probably should have been traded at some point, rather than kept until the end of his contract. Markov has been pretty crucial to whatever success we have had, however. Just look at the Habs record with Markov and without, for the past 5 years or so.
The primary reason we made it far in the playoffs that year was Halak's unbelievable performance in the first two rounds. Once he became more human, Habs were toasted.

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07-13-2013, 12:57 PM
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Markov has come back at about 80% and every year going forward he will lose more speed. He was a bit over priced last year and he will continue to drop in value. He has a NTC so habs have him for one more year. With Tinordi and Beaulieu needing a few more months, the timing is good right now. Keep Markov until the end of his contract. Markov has his Canadian Citizenship so it's clear he wants to stay. He may want to retire after because of his knees. I don't think anybody will sign him at 5.5 mil anymore. 3 mil max at this point. The problem the habs have is he could be replaced easily with many hab d-man prospects at this point. He has served the Habs well for many years and the Habs have made him a multimillionaire. His time with the Habs and the NHL is almost over.


turn the page the Markov chapter is over
well said , we are not contenders , he has nothing left for the playoffs and he showed it this year

we need to rebuild that D and in a big way

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07-13-2013, 01:01 PM
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Let him go. Not worth if more than $2M per year as he's worthless 5 on 5.


I dont why we are scared to let him go , this isnt Chara folks

get something while you can unlike the way we handled Komi or Souray where could easily of gotten back firsts and prospects but held on to the end knowing both werent coming back

this team is absolutely brutal at capitalizing on return of our assets


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