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07-13-2013, 08:46 AM
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Thanks for the responses guys. Sounds like a nice player to have. We will most likely just shelter him with some of our better defensive players if he struggles defensively. He would be playing with Elias/Zajac/Henrique anyway (Our best defensive players)

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07-13-2013, 09:09 AM
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Thanks for the responses guys. Sounds like a nice player to have. We will most likely just shelter him with some of our better defensive players if he struggles defensively. He would be playing with Elias/Zajac/Henrique anyway (Our best defensive players)
The aspect of his game you'll appreciate the most is his hunger to make things happen offensively. He's not afraid to try a slick move to create a chance for himself. His physical abilities aren't overwhelming--He's a good skater and has a good shot, but it's his mindset that makes him a potentially solid goal scoring winger.

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07-13-2013, 11:17 AM
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Not trying to fan the fire here but regardless of shoot out percentages and points and PP time, I'll take ONE more year of Bert at $2 mil than I will 3 more years of Hudler at $4 mil...
Here's the biggie though.

Bert+Sammy: $5.075 cap for two seasons
Hudler alone: $4m cap for four seasons

Signing just Hudler last year means Nyquist is on the team at the beginning of the year, not as an injury replacement. Or possibly Tatar.

Furthermore, signing Hudler prevents the Abdelkader/Datsyuk/Cleary line from happening. It keeps Cleary off of the PP.

Hudler is a legitimate top-six forward, and has been one for years. Sammy isn't. Brunner MIGHT be. Nyquist MIGHT be.

Signing the old guys was ridiculous; It was clear then that they weren't going to help, and they obviously didn't.

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07-13-2013, 11:32 AM
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Signing the old guys was ridiculous; It was clear then that they weren't going to help, and they obviously didn't.
Yeah, Bert and Sammy have such horrible injury histories.

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Signing just Hudler last year means Nyquist is on the team at the beginning of the year, not as an injury replacement. Or possibly Tatar.

Furthermore, signing Hudler prevents the Abdelkader/Datsyuk/Cleary line from happening. It keeps Cleary off of the PP.
At the absolute heart of the matter is that signing Hudler last year would have meant four years of Hudler at an inflated cap hit. As such, I'm perfectly satisfied with the decision to let him go. Indeed, I think it was a foregone conclusion even before season's end that he was outbound.


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07-13-2013, 12:17 PM
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Hudler didn't get that deal from the Wings for the same reason Brunner didn't.

To deserve a long term deal at the cap hits they both wanted you need to be able to bring more than just the ability to score.

Obviously Hudler would be better than Sammy, Bert or Cleary, but no matter how many players on the team he's better than, its NEVER going to make him worth 16 million dollars.

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07-13-2013, 12:23 PM
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Justifying Hudler by signing Bertuzzi and Sammy is just adding more mistakes to our roster. After this year, we are done with those 2. Hudler's biggest faults are his size and how damn slow he was.

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Why does every thread have to turn into a Hudler thread?

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07-13-2013, 12:26 PM
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Justifying Hudler by signing Bertuzzi and Sammy is just adding more mistakes to our roster. After this year, we are done with those 2. Hudler's biggest faults are his size and how damn slow he was.
Well Sammy was signed to replace Hudler and play his role but it never happened because Sammy was injured. Brunner eventually took over that role and played admirably. I don't think there would have been much of a difference between Hudler and Brunner if one was with the team this year and the other wasn't.

The difference was the contract, if the Red Wings are paying Hudler this year then perhaps they don't get one of Alfie or Weiss whereas that happened because Brunner was on a one year deal.

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07-13-2013, 12:38 PM
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Why does every thread have to turn into a Hudler thread?
That's generally my reaction, too.

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Why does every thread have to turn into a Hudler thread?
Eva.

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Well Sammy was signed to replace Hudler and play his role but it never happened because Sammy was injured. Brunner eventually took over that role and played admirably. I don't think there would have been much of a difference between Hudler and Brunner if one was with the team this year and the other wasn't.

The difference was the contract, if the Red Wings are paying Hudler this year then perhaps they don't get one of Alfie or Weiss whereas that happened because Brunner was on a one year deal.
Pretty much Brunner was signed to replace Hudler and now Tatar replaces Brunner.

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Why does every thread have to turn into a Hudler thread?
Just wait until that Canadian superstar signs for 3 years. 24/7 with Daniel Cleary will be great. Because you know he will get the most face time.

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Just a quick question. I honestly havent watched him play too often, what are his strengths etc

I saw that he isnt too good defensively , but knows how to score .

Does he have good vision/playmaking ?
Good speed ?
Really fast and an opportunistic scorer.

One of the softest players in the league and showed some major inconsistency last season.

Ultimately I don't think Detroit could give him the cash/term of an offensive staple, because of those inconsistency and his poor two way game.

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07-13-2013, 01:13 PM
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Pretty much Brunner was signed to replace Hudler and now Tatar replaces Brunner.
When the move was announced, it was supposed to be Sammy replacing Hudler because the team thought Brunner wouldn't make the team or would be swamped in a lower role.

It became Brunner replacing Hudler and yes now Tatar is replacing Brunner. We are looking for a long term solution for that 2nd/3rd line tweener that has a good shot.

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When the move was announced, it was supposed to be Sammy replacing Hudler because the team thought Brunner wouldn't make the team or would be swamped in a lower role.

It became Brunner replacing Hudler and yes now Tatar is replacing Brunner. We are looking for a long term solution for that 2nd/3rd line tweener that has a good shot.
At no point was Brunner expected to not make the team or be a bottom 6 player.

From day one he was going to be playing with Zetterberg. Thats why they played together through the lockout.

The only reason he played in the bottom 6 at all was because he went through a cold spell and that line became ineffective.

A healthy Sammy wouldn't have displaced him, I think he would have played with Franzen and Datsyuk.

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07-13-2013, 03:30 PM
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Eva.
This is probably the first thread I have mentioned Hudler in (first, anyway) in MONTHS. More amusing: The fact that everyone around here is obsessed with the fact that I am a fan of a player they don't like.

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Justifying Hudler by signing Bertuzzi and Sammy is just adding more mistakes to our roster. After this year, we are done with those 2. Hudler's biggest faults are his size and how damn slow he was.
The only time size or speed have ever been a problem for him were when Babcock (in his infinite wisdom) placed Hudler on the point of the second PP so that he could have Dan Cleary or Todd Bertuzzi on the unit. Yes, it would have been nice if he had Helm's speed and Bertuzzi's size. But if he had that, he'd have been a unanimous first overall pick in his draft, and would be one of the best players in the league. His speed and size have not prevented him from being effective (as evidenced by his generally high P/60 and consistently high season point marks). He played in the "Holmstrom" role with Zetterberg in 2011-12 and had ZERO trouble (23-17-40 at ES). If his size was such a problem, he shouldn't have been able to succeed in that role.

And yes, Bertuzzi and Samuelsson were injured. But Holland didn't put a hit out on them. Hudler alone would have been more effective than both together (had they been healthy). Hudler would have played in the playoffs and provided offense (possibly with Datsyuk; perhaps rekindling the 2010-11 magic - Abby centers the fourth line and pushes Emmerton out) The same will be true this coming season with regards to Hudler vs. Sammy/Bert. If they're even healthy.

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At the absolute heart of the matter is that signing Hudler last year would have meant four years of Hudler at an inflated cap hit. As such, I'm perfectly satisfied with the decision to let him go. Indeed, I think it was a foregone conclusion even before season's end that he was outbound.
Inflated?

Some players with similar/identical cap hits to Hudler who are near Hudler's age or older:

Daniel Briere - Former star, scoring game no longer present
David Jones - Glorified bottom-sixer cashing in on one big season
P.A. Parenteau - less complete game than Hudler, less offensive pedigree
David Booth - more physical than Hudler, but weaker scoring history
Antoine Vermette - extremely inconsistent scoring center (maybe you'll get a good season, maybe not) whose top offensive ability is no better than Hudler's.

EDIT: Also, you can soon add Damien Brunner to this list.

Hmm... yep, inflated. Or not. Never mind the guys making more than him who are notably worse.


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Ok folks, this is not a Hudler thread. No more of this.

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Don't know if it's been posted or not but it looks like the Devils are going to sign Brunner for two years 3.0m AAV.
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@SpectorsHockey: FWIW, @SwissNHL claims Damien Brunner's will sign tomorrow with the #NJDevils. Two years, $3 million per.
Link:https://twitter.com/SpectorsHockey/s...37637567332352

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Don't know if it's been posted or not but it looks like the Devils are going to sign Brunner for two years 3.0m AAV.
From the Trade/FA Board:

Link:https://twitter.com/SpectorsHockey/s...37637567332352
Guess he discovered he wasn't getting that big long-term contract he wanted.

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Guess he discovered he wasn't getting that big long-term contract he wanted.
I really doubt there was much interest in him because of what kind of money/term he was looking for. He should be thanking Kovy. I doubt he gets that kind of money from any other team, but NJD are desperate.

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Good fit.

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Devils really need speed, so I like this fit for Brunner. Even with him they have to be one of the slowest teams in the league.

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Guess he discovered he wasn't getting that big long-term contract he wanted.
Considering we don't even know what he wanted or what the Wings offered, I really don't get your post

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Considering we don't even know what he wanted or what the Wings offered, I really don't get your post
We know the Wings offered him two and three year deals, per the Detroit media. Guess he wanted more years and/or money.

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