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07-13-2013, 04:18 PM
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Apparently they didn't forfeit the 29th pick to show their players that management has faith in them. Winning the Cup means the 30th overall pick, so they wanted to show their players that they believe that they'll get a 30th overall pick.

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If that's really the case they are pretty dumb. I personally thought they were targeting Subban with the 29th pick...unfortunately for them he went 5 spots earlier.

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07-13-2013, 04:30 PM
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Boo hoo for these fans. All they do is sit on their couches paying these men to play a kids game. They also get quite upset and take it quite seriously watching these men play a kids game. Case in point this entirely too dramatic post

Regardless they don't have to care. I see you utterly failed to grasp the point.
There was a point?

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07-13-2013, 05:12 PM
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You don't "live up" to a contract when you leave 10+ years on it. The rest of the issue means very little to me. If we wanted to go home, he should have signed a shorter contract.
You do if part of the contract says that you can retire and do exactly what kovalchuk just did... Since when has any player ever in history been required tofinish a contract? You either don't get paid or you get traded this isn't something so crazy...

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07-13-2013, 05:13 PM
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Kovulchuk gutted their franchise. They basically created the lockout to get him, they built their roster around him and he bailed in his prime with 10 years left on his deal?

He is quite possibly the most selfish player in the history of hockey.

No one forced him to sign in NJ. He has an agent and a lawyer. He knew the tax ramifications, he understood the NHL escrow. Its one thing to take the teams $$$, it's another to let them clearly invest so much in you being the future of the team and then just bailing.


So he will get more $$ playing in a a league with less elite competition and less pressure. Personally, I dont think anyone can fault the guy for getting what he wants, but the Devils franchise takes an awful step backwards.

Kovy doesnt care about playing vs the best. He just wants to play and make the most $$$. He doesnt care about the cup
The Devils gutted themselves or are we now trying to remove all blame from the Devils for incurring a justifiable punishment. The original contract AND this contract were CLEARLY intended to have him retire BEFORE the contract was finished so I think your bit of revisionist history is just plain wrong here.

You're right that no one forced him to sign what does that even mean? Again why does he have to care about the cup? Living in his home country trumps the cup. Good for him he's a sane human being. It's also perfectly reasonable if someone wants to take a few years of their life living in a foreign land to win a championship too. But his decision is perfectly sane

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07-13-2013, 05:18 PM
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07-13-2013, 05:21 PM
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It's a "retirement," not a retirement. An actual retirement means you are no longer a professional hockey player. Obviously, that isn't the case here.

Lou and Kovalchuk found a loophole to get out of a bad contract and incur the smallest cap hit penalty possible.

You don't have to be a great philosopher or savant of the human condition to see this situation is stinky.
The number people ignoring that bolded bit has been astounding. good for you realizing this.

Like I said many times this has AAAALWAYS been an early retirement contract. Now that the lockout dust settled it's painfully obvious that this was a supremely advantageous time for him to retire for the NJD and for him. Yet people act as if he's this monster which is what I have been debating against. Pacific Rim: giants robots vs Kaiju and Kovalchuk

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07-13-2013, 05:22 PM
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There was a point?
Yup very simple to grasp too...I'll leave it at that

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The Devils gutted themselves or are we now trying to remove all blame from the Devils for incurring a justifiable punishment. The original contract AND this contract were CLEARLY intended to have him retire BEFORE the contract was finished so I think your bit of revisionist history is just plain wrong here.

You're right that no one forced him to sign what does that even mean? Again why does he have to care about the cup? Living in his home country trumps the cup. Good for him he's a sane human being. It's also perfectly reasonable if someone wants to take a few years of their life living in a foreign land to win a championship too. But his decision is perfectly sane
Well spoken. Kinda tired of all the Kovy haters. So he misses his family and don't find the NHL intriguing enough to stay. That's it, people make it sound like he ruined the leauge. And considering NJD, they signed a retirement contract, and that is what they got. The cheaters got cheated. Or maybe it was a part of Lou's plan...

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07-13-2013, 06:41 PM
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I've seen that quote floating around that it was something he was thinking about "for a long time." So why try to fight and claw for a 10+ year contract if going back home to Russia was something he was thinking about, and clearly so heavily considering, for whatever a long time is?
This is really my only problem with the move. If he took a short deal and left for Russia after, I'd have no problem at all. I mean, I'd be bummed to not see a good player anymore, but that's about it.


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You do if part of the contract says that you can retire and do exactly what kovalchuk just did... Since when has any player ever in history been required tofinish a contract? You either don't get paid or you get traded this isn't something so crazy...
Good point. He's not required to finish his contract, but if he's been thinking about this for a while, why did he make a deal about wanting 100+ million dollars just a few years ago? He had to know that you don't get that for a 3 year deal. Based on the shape of the Devil's lineup right now, it sure doesn't look like they saw this coming. I just think it's a crappy way to treat a team who offered you such an absurd contract. As a Ranger fan, I find their misfortune kind of hilarious but it's not hard to imagine how I'd feel if Nash, for example, did this.

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07-13-2013, 07:54 PM
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I would love to have seen what people here would be saying about him if he received the vast majority of the money up front and then skipped off to russia. And bankrupted the team.

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07-13-2013, 09:17 PM
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I would love to have seen what people here would be saying about him if he received the vast majority of the money up front and then skipped off to russia. And bankrupted the team.
I'd be cheering him.

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07-13-2013, 09:21 PM
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Why can he come back when he's 35? He shouldn't be allowed to come back until he's 42 unless Devils approve.

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The number people ignoring that bolded bit has been astounding. good for you realizing this.

Like I said many times this has AAAALWAYS been an early retirement contract. Now that the lockout dust settled it's painfully obvious that this was a supremely advantageous time for him to retire for the NJD and for him. Yet people act as if he's this monster which is what I have been debating against. Pacific Rim: giants robots vs Kaiju and Kovalchuk
I can see the point you guys are making but some of the moves Lou made with Parise, postponing their draft penalty til the following year, letting Clarkson go, ridiculous contract to Clowe. It just doesn't seem to add up.

If they really thought he wasn't going to stick around I don't think they would have made these moves.

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07-14-2013, 06:33 PM
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And now they're saying he wanted out from the Devils but is looking to return to the NHL once his KHL deal is over. Hilarious.

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07-14-2013, 06:46 PM
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Did he officially sign yet in the KHL?

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And now they're saying he wanted out from the Devils but is looking to return to the NHL once his KHL deal is over. Hilarious.
Who is "they"?

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And now they're saying he wanted out from the Devils but is looking to return to the NHL once his KHL deal is over. Hilarious.
Havent seen this anywhere.

...and even if it were true, all 30 teams need to approve his return to the NHL - that obviously includes the Devils.

Translation: he wont be back

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Havent seen this anywhere.

...and even if it were true, all 30 teams need to approve his return to the NHL - that obviously includes the Devils.

Translation: he wont be back
I'm sure this link is in here already:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devil...cCgk0mWUHajWFK
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He would not be able to return to the NHL without unanimous consent of the league’s member clubs before 2018-19 unless he were to sit out for at least one calendar year. If Kovalchuk were to sit that long within the next four years, he would then need the Devils’ permission to rejoin the NHL.
it sure sounds to me like he can return in 2018-2019 as a UFA without consent (aka 35 years of age).

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4 years for Kovalchuk from SKA. On my phone and difficult to paste from twitter, but it has been confirmed. Sets him up for that 35 year old return. It will happen.

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I'm sure this link is in here already:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devil...cCgk0mWUHajWFK


it sure sounds to me like he can return in 2018-2019 as a UFA without consent (aka 35 years of age).
If true, that is sad and absurd.

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Rubbish. He shouldn't be allowed back until he's 42 which was when his NHL contract was supposed to run out. Unless Devils approved his return.

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Rubbish. He shouldn't be allowed back until he's 42 which was when his NHL contract was supposed to run out. Unless Devils approved his return.
Which they will.

The Devils chose not to toll (or freeze) his NHL contract. All signs point to them being complicit. Using it as a financial get-out-of-jail-free card.

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Why can he come back when he's 35? He shouldn't be allowed to come back until he's 42 unless Devils approve.
The Devils already approved by agreeing with his retirement.

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