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07-13-2013, 07:44 PM
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We're really never going to be like LA Kings or Boston Bruins, we're not built that way.

We are a skill based team and that's just all there is to it.

I think Hemsky will be shipped out for a grittier bottom six forward but that's about it.

In a few years when we have Nurse and Klefbom in the lineup and if their development has gone well and we've added a few more pieces, then I think we'll be more comparable to the Chicago Blackhawks. But ultimately we may just become our own thing.
MacT has singled out Detroit & Chicago as systems to follow. Problem is, there are still major roles in their rosters that we haven't got.
The Blackhawks are the Blackhawks because of 3 main factors.
1. Their deadly top-6
2. Their superior ability to transition the puck using their d-men
3. The offensive effectiveness of their bottom-6
I think we can match number 1, but we're still vastly inferior in 2 & 3. We don't have a Keith OR a Seabrook. If we're lucky Schultz & Klefbom can be that tandem, I just worry it will take too long for them to develop into those roles.
As for 3, I think it's achievable it we were more aggressive in the FA market. We CAN afford Penner, Mueller, Latendresse we COULD HAVE afforded Lapierre, Bouchard, MacArthur, Cooke. I think we could have done ten times better this offseason in filling the bottom 6.

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07-13-2013, 09:05 PM
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Since I wanted Oilers to trade for VANEK, with the Perron trade, as much as Hall is a better winger, moving Hall to center was the only way I could think to make this work.

Perron Hall Yakupov
Vanek RNH Eberle
Penner - Gordon - Lander
Joensuu Hamilton Eager / Brown
Smyth

Smid Petry
Ference Schultz
Klefbom Belov
Larson

Dubnyk Labarbera

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07-13-2013, 09:12 PM
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People really need to stop putting Penner in their mock lineups. It's just not happening.

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07-13-2013, 09:13 PM
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Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Booth-Gordon-Upshall
Jones-Lander-Jonesuu/Brown
Smyth

with Hemsky..

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Gagne-Gordon-Hemsky
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07-13-2013, 09:42 PM
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Hall RNH Eberle
Perron XXX Yakupov
XXX - Gordon - XXX
Joensuu - XXX - XXX
XXX

XXX J.Schultz
Ference Petry
Klefbom XXX
Larson

XXX
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07-13-2013, 09:43 PM
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We're one injury away from Smyth in our top 6. Now take a second to take that in.

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We're two injuries away from Smyth in our top 6. Now take a second to take that in.
Fixed (Jones)

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07-13-2013, 11:02 PM
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Eager-Lander/Smyth-Brown
Joensuu

J.Schultz-Ference
Smid-Petry
Klefbom/Belov-N.Schultz
Potter/Larsen

Dubnyk
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J.Schultz-Petry

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07-13-2013, 11:22 PM
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Hall RNH Eberle
Perron XXX Yakupov
XXX - Gordon - XXX
Joensuu - XXX - XXX
XXX

XXX J.Schultz
Ference Petry
Klefbom XXX
Larson

XXX
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You forgot Smid.

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07-14-2013, 12:50 AM
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Definitely gotta get Penner back in there. And some more retreads.

Penner - RNH - Yak
Hall - Pouliot - Eberle
Isbister - York - Penner
Penner - Gordon - Penner

Souray - Smid
Petry - Ninnima
Penner - Plante

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07-14-2013, 03:14 AM
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MacT has singled out Detroit & Chicago as systems to follow. Problem is, there are still major roles in their rosters that we haven't got.
The Blackhawks are the Blackhawks because of 3 main factors.
1. Their deadly top-6
2. Their superior ability to transition the puck using their d-men
3. The offensive effectiveness of their bottom-6
I think we can match number 1, but we're still vastly inferior in 2 & 3. We don't have a Keith OR a Seabrook. If we're lucky Schultz & Klefbom can be that tandem, I just worry it will take too long for them to develop into those roles.
As for 3, I think it's achievable it we were more aggressive in the FA market. We CAN afford Penner, Mueller, Latendresse we COULD HAVE afforded Lapierre, Bouchard, MacArthur, Cooke. I think we could have done ten times better this offseason in filling the bottom 6.
Agreed about #3, but the bottom 6 forwards you need to draft and when they get too expensive you need to let them move on. How many of those guys were brought in as free agents?

I like our draft this year, I think we picked up a few guys that could play bottom 6 minutes for us. IF we used free agency money on 3rd and 4th line guys all the time, we won't be able to keep our big name guys.

We NEED a guy this year, but our team has to start drafting better and getting a few guys that can play bottom 6 roles

With that being said... in a few years our top 6 should match up well. With our D prospects, we could match up well to Chicago too. I think Dubnyk > Crawford already. And that leaves the bottom 6, I think they did a decent job the last 2 years of maybe getting a few guys who could fill those roles, now we just need to hope they pan out.

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07-14-2013, 06:06 AM
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We're one injury away from Smyth in our top 6. Now take a second to take that in.
Look on the positive side. We are one injury away from Smyth entering early retirement too

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07-14-2013, 06:25 AM
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Look on the positive side. We are one injury away from Smyth entering early retirement too
LOL, glass half full/half empty argument at it's finest.

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07-14-2013, 11:22 PM
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MacT has singled out Detroit & Chicago as systems to follow. Problem is, there are still major roles in their rosters that we haven't got.
The Blackhawks are the Blackhawks because of 3 main factors.
1. Their deadly top-6
2. Their superior ability to transition the puck using their d-men
3. The offensive effectiveness of their bottom-6
I think we can match number 1, but we're still vastly inferior in 2 & 3. We don't have a Keith OR a Seabrook. If we're lucky Schultz & Klefbom can be that tandem, I just worry it will take too long for them to develop into those roles.
As for 3, I think it's achievable it we were more aggressive in the FA market. We CAN afford Penner, Mueller, Latendresse we COULD HAVE afforded Lapierre, Bouchard, MacArthur, Cooke. I think we could have done ten times better this offseason in filling the bottom 6.
This is the maddening part... Now maybe those guys didn't want to play in Edmonton - potentially the case - but I'd think the main motivator is the $$$$... Spend a few bucks on some tough competitors like Lapierre or Cooke and the Oilers are magically a lot better, while still retaining assets.. Instead it appears they've chosen to ride with Joensuu, Acton or Lander down there.. Scaring nobody.

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07-15-2013, 06:05 PM
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How about the 14/15 season on the back end. Can't wait.
Klefbom-Schultz
Nurse-Smid
Ference-Petry
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07-15-2013, 06:10 PM
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How about the 14/15 season on the back end. Can't wait.
Klefbom-Schultz
Nurse-Smid
Ference-Petry
Marincin
That's way too many young kids to have on the blueline at one time. I would be shocked if Nurse is ready to play 20 minutes a night in 15 months.

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How about the 14/15 season on the back end. Can't wait.
Klefbom-Schultz
Nurse-Smid
Ference-Petry
Marincin
yeah that's not happening, too many young guys

It will be Klefbom, JSchultz, Smid, Petry, and Ference as almost guarantees

6/7 spots
Belov (75% chance)
Larsen (30% chance)
Marcinin (30% chance)
Free Agent (25% chance)
NSchultz (20% chance)
Other guy in our system... Nurse is less likely then guys like Gernat and Fedun (20% chance)
Potter (5% chance)

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yeah that's not happening, too many young guys

It will be Klefbom, JSchultz, Smid, Petry, and Ference as almost guarantees

6/7 spots
Belov (75% chance)
Larsen (30% chance)
Marcinin (30% chance)
Free Agent (25% chance)
NSchultz (20% chance)
Other guy in our system... Nurse is less likely then guys like Gernat and Fedun (20% chance)
Potter (5% chance)
Theres no way Gernat or Fedun would have a better chance than Nurse..

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07-17-2013, 04:51 AM
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Clifford-Lander-Jones
You traded all those guys for severe under payments on the mains

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Hall-Grabovski-Yakupov
Perron-RNH-Eberle
Couturier-Gordon-Stafford
Joensuu-Steckel-Jones
Brown

Coburn-Schultz
Smid-Ference
Gardiner-Gilbert
Belov

Dubnyk
LaBarbera

Sign Mikhail Grabovski to a 1-2 year deal
Trade Gagner, Petry, 3rd in 2014 to PHI for Coburn, Couturier
Trade N.Schultz, Marincin, 1st in 2015 to TOR for Gardiner
Sign Tom Gilbert to a one year deal
Trade Ales Hemsky to Sabres for Stafford
Sign David Steckel to a one year deal
Trade Ryan Smyth to Flames for 5th round pick

Hey, it says "Oil line-up your way", not "Realistic Oilers lineup"

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07-17-2013, 09:09 AM
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Definitely gotta get Penner back in there. And some more retreads.

Penner - RNH - Yak
Hall - Pouliot - Eberle
Isbister - York - Penner
Penner - Gordon - Penner

Souray - Smid
Petry - Ninnima
Penner - Plante

Morrison
You forgot everyones favorite Reasoner!

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07-17-2013, 09:26 AM
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Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Hemsky-Gordon-Jagr
Clifford-Lander-Jones
Based on the number of trade proposals you make, there are about 10 more Oiler players in this lineup than I was expecting to see.

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Hemsky and a 3rd to NJ for Henrique and another 2016 7th
1st rounder, Ben Eager (50 %cap retained) and Nick Schultz (50%cap retained) for Maxime Talbot and Braydon Coburn
Potter for another 2016 7th
sign brule

Hall-Hopkins-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Henrique-Gordon-Brule
Joensu-Talbot-Brown
Jones,Smyth

Coburn-Petry
Ference-Schultz
Smid-Klefbom
Belov, Larsen

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Mentioned this in the other thread, but this is what I'd like to see happen:

TRADES:

Hemsky (50% salary retained) for Clifford

Gagner & N. Schultz for Bogosian

SIGNINGS:

Armstrong

Brule

Grabovski

LINE-UP:

Hall - Grabovski - Eberle
Peron - RNH - Yakupov
Clifford - Gordon - Jones
Armstrong - Brule/Lander - Brown

Smyth - Joensuu

Smid - Petry
Bogosian - Ference
Schultz - Belov

Dubnyk
Labarbera

Good enough for playoffs IMO.

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