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07-12-2013, 11:59 AM
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Risers:

Boyle (if he's not traded) - he was one of the few players that admitted he sucked last year because he was unprepared during the lockout and should have played in Europe. He's in a contract year and should be motivated, and in all likelihood will be on the 4th line where he belongs.

Del Zotto - he played his best hockey last season when he was paired with Staal. If they are paired together again, DZ will have more freedom to roam and work on his offensive game.

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Brassard - Doubtful he will maintain the level of production he had after he was traded here. He's always been streaky and inconsistent and there will be stretches where he's not producing. Also, the Arniel factor.

Stralman - I echo the sentiment from above that he benefited from Torts and Sully's coaching style. I remember he was called out during 24/7 and responded well to the criticism. One of the coaches will need to light a fire under his ass every now and then for him to succeed.

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07-12-2013, 12:13 PM
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Boy, a lot of folks are down on Stralman.

I disagree with it, personally.

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Boy, a lot of folks are down on Stralman.

I disagree with it, personally.
Brassard is a player that doesn't like getting kicked around and being in the doghouse. He thrives being "the guy".

I love Stralman and hope dearly he keeps playing the way he did in the playoffs for us because I thought he was at times more important than Girardi.

At the same time, I think he's going to need a kick in the ass occasionally because he might tend to his older, softer ways.

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07-12-2013, 12:28 PM
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I'm a little worried if the definition of "first line center" for so many people is a PPG player. There are 4 or 5 PPG centers each year at best.
In the 80's, first line center was a PPG player (or better). People just forgot to adjust for deflation

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07-12-2013, 12:39 PM
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Rise:

Hagelin
McD - I think he will add more offense to his game, but not quite the drastic amount some believe.

Fall:

Girardi

-I think Stepan will perform how most expect him to. He will most likely establish himself as the 1C that we need.
-I am worried about Brassard because of Arniel.

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07-12-2013, 12:43 PM
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Brassard is a player that doesn't like getting kicked around and being in the doghouse. He thrives being "the guy".

I love Stralman and hope dearly he keeps playing the way he did in the playoffs for us because I thought he was at times more important than Girardi.

At the same time, I think he's going to need a kick in the ass occasionally because he might tend to his older, softer ways.
I have no proof, but I feel Ulf will do a good job with the defense corp.

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07-12-2013, 12:56 PM
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Stepan will not produce, I still remember last seasons opening game when Stepan missed a couple of shots, the people in my section were cursing at him saying he is horrible and they wish he wasn't on the team. Yet they praised every little thing Callahan did. Well at the end of the season who was your best player. I would have to say Stepan. Every single player he played with played good on his line and struggled on other lines. If you wanted someone to get going Torts put them with Stepan. So once again here we go with Stepan will not produce. Why do some of these fans hate Step so much. He is a playmaker not a scorer, but yet he still seems to put goals in. So still don;t understand the hate for him
IMO, it's because the casual fan does not Understand the "little things" that make D Step effective. Even though his lady friend is hot!!...He's not fast-He's not stylish-He doesn't have a great shot- He's not pysically imposing.. What he does have are what sets him apart.... "Intangebales"..."Hockey IQ". These cannot be taught. Thank GOD some of you were sitting in the Saloon and not at the draft table when it was our turn to pick in 2008. He is one draftee that has totally blossemed in the last 3-4 year's. Unlike Most of Sather's choices the last 5 year's (most who have a long way to go i may add). I'm dam glad we got him..

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07-12-2013, 01:09 PM
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I don't think I've seen a single person criticize Stepan since the first dozen games of the season or so

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07-12-2013, 01:29 PM
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Risers:

McD - Yup, the kid will FINALLY get confidence from him coach to put him on the PP, watch his numbers double this season offensively.

Richards - With all the hate, expect him to hit 65-75 points again.

Fallers:

Dstep - Think he has a lower season this year.

Danny G - Think he starts falling back to earth.
I hope your not talking about Girardi...

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07-12-2013, 01:40 PM
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I have no proof, but I feel Ulf will do a good job with the defense corp.
I hope so. I like to think that the players will remember all the good that Torts taught them, like McDonagh has stated. And forget all the restrictions.

I think having Ulf in town will help a lot of the players. I hope he can teach them a few things too. From what I hear, he can. I am glad he is well diversified.

An Ex NHL player. A 2 time Cup Winner. An Ex Ranger lol. A guy who played also in Sweden and grew up in Sweden playing the European style as well. Assistant coach in Youth hockey, and junior hockey and AHL hockey. As well as the NHL, which includes teachings from Gretzky and Tippet. A head coach in MODO. And now back in NYC to teach the players everything he learned.

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I hope so. I like to think that the players will remember all the good that Torts taught them, like McDonagh has stated. And forget all the restrictions.

I think having Ulf in town will help a lot of the players. I hope he can teach them a few things too. From what I hear, he can. I am glad he is well diversified.

An Ex NHL player. A 2 time Cup Winner. An Ex Ranger lol. A guy who played also in Sweden and grew up in Sweden playing the European style as well. Assistant coach in Youth hockey, and junior hockey and AHL hockey. As well as the NHL, which includes teachings from Gretzky and Tippet. A head coach in MODO. And now back in NYC to teach the players everything he learned.
Yea, he has a solid resume, I like the hire a lot.

Also, with the reports that came out that Sullivan had alienated a lot of players, this could be re freshening for the defense corp.

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07-12-2013, 01:59 PM
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I hope your right since it would help our team be that much more successful. Im not saying there is no chance. If he does produce I think he was a casualty of Torts system. Personally I just don't see the massive upside some do (but again, hoping I am wrong!)
Well to be fair its very tough to produce when you are paying 7-8 minutes ona 4th line. When he got bumped up in the boston series he looked like the player we hoped for. The kid has too much talent to be bust unless he gets injured or if he is a headcase or something

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Hags and Kreider rise
Boyle falls

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07-12-2013, 05:32 PM
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Well statistically speaking, I think the team will be very satisfied with player performance, and I say that because of the roles AV will utilize. So a guy like Step, who for intents and purposes is our Bergeron, can hit 65 Points and check the opposition's top line, and be considered a very big success.

But the beneficiary of all that, should they perform, are the likes of Brassard and Richards. At least up the middle.

So I am expecting the following with that in mind;

Risers:

Kristo: a rookie that comes out of no where and delivers a solid GPG, and PPG for the games he plays.

Kreider: He finally gets comfortable using his phyiscal gifts out there and has stretches of Max Pac like hockey, mixed in with inconsistent spots here and there.

Staal: Surprises everyone by becoming a dominant shut down force on the right side with a big shot that he skates into. AV actually tries him there, and Staal thrives, forming another top pair with...

Del Zotto: Stays on the left side, and does what he does, except he takes risks this season under AV with Staal backing him, and where there's risk, there's reward.

Fallers:

Dorsett: Ice time and stats don't allow him to be a guy who shows up on the stat sheet, fantasy value totally shot thanks to zone starts and line mates. Still shows effort every night and brings grit.

Pyatt: Suspect he will be moved out for cap space or another body after Hagelin and Callahan come back.

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fallers require a good season last year or at least a good record in the past 2-3 years.

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This is wong. A whole lot of players are going to be on lines that does not allow them to produce the numbers some of the hopefulls on this board would like. I guess they are all fails then.

The team should be good enough to make it to the POs, hopefully make it to the second round. So much depends on things like PP, PK and AV. Hopfully AV will take this team of very talented players to the next level, my guess is the Conference final.

Its not a science though, and i wish that more people would be OK with that.\
**** happens, good teams lose, and ****** teams prevail.
Be pacient with players and we will win.

LGR.

My guess of scapegoats: Nash and Brassard (because of hopes being too high)
Heros: Stepan and Stralman

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07-12-2013, 07:07 PM
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Risers: Richie, Boyle, MDZ, Krieder, J Moore, Staal, i think Pouliot will have a monster season in his context

Falls: stepan (a bit), Girardi, Brassard (consistency), cally- hags, Bickel ( haha)

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This is wong. A whole lot of players are going to be on lines that does not allow them to produce the numbers some of the hopefulls on this board would like. I guess they are all fails then.

The team should be good enough to make it to the POs, hopefully make it to the second round. So much depends on things like PP, PK and AV. Hopfully AV will take this team of very talented players to the next level, my guess is the Conference final.

Its not a science though, and i wish that more people would be OK with that.\
**** happens, good teams lose, and ****** teams prevail.
Be pacient with players and we will win.

LGR.

My guess of scapegoats: Nash and Brassard (because of hopes being too high)
Heros: Stepan and Stralman
Do u really believe one guy who isn't gonna be in uniform next season is gonna make that big of a difference on this team that virtually has the same roster ?

I've been a ranger fan for a long time and every off season we hope/think these things. But how often does things like this work out .

What excuse will they have this season if things don't go according to plan again

I'm optimistic but lets be realistic

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Well statistically speaking, I think the team will be very satisfied with player performance, and I say that because of the roles AV will utilize. So a guy like Step, who for intents and purposes is our Bergeron, can hit 65 Points and check the opposition's top line, and be considered a very big success.

But the beneficiary of all that, should they perform, are the likes of Brassard and Richards. At least up the middle.

So I am expecting the following with that in mind;

Risers:

Kristo: a rookie that comes out of no where and delivers a solid GPG, and PPG for the games he plays.

Kreider: He finally gets comfortable using his phyiscal gifts out there and has stretches of Max Pac like hockey, mixed in with inconsistent spots here and there.

Staal: Surprises everyone by becoming a dominant shut down force on the right side with a big shot that he skates into. AV actually tries him there, and Staal thrives, forming another top pair with...

Del Zotto: Stays on the left side, and does what he does, except he takes risks this season under AV with Staal backing him, and where there's risk, there's reward.

Fallers:

Dorsett: Ice time and stats don't allow him to be a guy who shows up on the stat sheet, fantasy value totally shot thanks to zone starts and line mates. Still shows effort every night and brings grit.

Pyatt: Suspect he will be moved out for cap space or another body after Hagelin and Callahan come back.
Let me get this straight. DZ stays on the left side and Staal pairs and covers for him from the right side?

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We'll return to Girardi--he's really not a rise/fall type of player. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the odd bad game. But end of the year he'll have his ton of blocked shots, a massive amount of hits, not too much time spent in the penalty box--about 25 minutes average ice time and somewhere around 30 points. He'll be a main guy on the pk. That's pretty much what he does and in any case we don't have another right side defenseman in our organization who is near capable of doing all that. I'm sorry--we don't. The other thing is next season he will be UFA. He's playing for his next contract and right side defensemen who steadily do the things I've outlined above are pretty hard to find. If the Rangers don't lock him up and he gets to free agency he's going to be over $5 mil per rather easily. He's certainly a more valuable commodity than the likes of Clowe or Clarkson. I don't see him falling. I see more of what we've gotten from him the last few years. I see a big hole to our right side defense if he signs with another team which may be inevitable but sometimes you don't know what you've lost til it's gone.

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Lot of good opinions here.

Only one I'd like to chime in on is all the negative about Girardi. I will agree he looked pretty bad at the end of last season, and slower than I can ever remember, but I think with AV he might get back to form.

I think its safe to say the 5 goalie = deflection = goal system will be gone under AV. If so I think we can hope that Girardi wont be blocking shots as often and hopefully his body will last all season long. I can only hope though.

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Let me get this straight. DZ stays on the left side and Staal pairs and covers for him from the right side?
Yes. The bigger, stronger, and better defensive player covers the tougher side.

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We'll return to Girardi--he's really not a rise/fall type of player. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the odd bad game. But end of the year he'll have his ton of blocked shots, a massive amount of hits, not too much time spent in the penalty box--about 25 minutes average ice time and somewhere around 30 points. He'll be a main guy on the pk. That's pretty much what he does and in any case we don't have another right side defenseman in our organization who is near capable of doing all that. I'm sorry--we don't. The other thing is next season he will be UFA. He's playing for his next contract and right side defensemen who steadily do the things I've outlined above are pretty hard to find. If the Rangers don't lock him up and he gets to free agency he's going to be over $5 mil per rather easily. He's certainly a more valuable commodity than the likes of Clowe or Clarkson. I don't see him falling. I see more of what we've gotten from him the last few years. I see a big hole to our right side defense if he signs with another team which may be inevitable but sometimes you don't know what you've lost til it's gone.
i'll wager that if he tests FA, hes going to make closer to 6mil. And I suspect Toronto is the best fit for him.

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Yes. The bigger, stronger, and better defensive player covers the tougher side.
Not saying it hasn't happened yet--but my hazy brain does not remember Staal ever playing on the right side before. With his eye injury I think there is less likelihood as the injury was to his right eye and he'd be dealing with a bllind spot and on the wrong side where he'd be forced into using his backhand a lot more. It's almost like accentuating one handicap with another. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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i'll wager that if he tests FA, hes going to make closer to 6mil. And I suspect Toronto is the best fit for him.
I think Girardi's best chance of coming back to the Rangers is with a home town discount. We're looking at Lundqvist and Callahan as well next year--one the franchise face and maybe best goalie in the league and the other the team captain (but also buying out Richards if he's healthy enough anyway). Girardi going somewhere else is going to put a big hole on our right side though it almost guarantees that McIlrath if he doesn't take a spot this year will take one next year. Saying he'd easily make $5 mil per is pretty much saying he'll probably make more and $6 mil per is not unthinkable.

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