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Oilers top 6 vs Leafs top 6

View Poll Results: Oilers top 6 vs Leafs top 6
Oilers fan saying Oilers 81 27.46%
Leafs fan saying Leafs 33 11.19%
Non Oilers fan saying Oilers 152 51.53%
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07-14-2013, 02:12 PM
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If we're talking the next 5 years it's Edmonton. Right now it's a toss up.

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07-14-2013, 02:12 PM
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I'd go with edmonton in the production category.

In cup comparisons though, it would be like LA (toronto) and CHI (edmonton).

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07-14-2013, 02:14 PM
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Edmonton is building around the Chicago model, not the Boston/LA model. Chicago was last in the league in hits this year. Size doesn't beat skill and speed every time as evident by this year's playoffs.

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07-14-2013, 02:16 PM
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07-14-2013, 02:31 PM
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That's weird... last 82 game season both teams played...

Kessel- 82 GP 82 pts (1.0 PPG)
Hall- 61 GP 53 pts (0.87 PPG)

Bozak- 73 GP 47 pts (0.64 PPG)
Gagner- 75 GP 47 pts (0.63 PPG)

Lupul- 66 GP 66 pts (1.01 PPG)
Eberle- 78 GP 76 pts (0.97 PPG)

Grabovski- 74 GP 51 pts (0.69 PPG)
RNH- 62 GP 52 pts (0.84 PPG)

Then Smyth had 46 pts to MacArthur's 43... and Hemsky and Connolly each had 36 points... this despite Oilers offense being much younger... weird



Yes the Leafs are hulking beasts...

Hall- 6'1
Kessel- 6'0

Joffrey Lupul- 6'1
Jordan Eberle- 5'11

Nazem Kadri- 6'0
Sam Gagner- 5'11

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins- 6'1
Tyler Bozak- 6'1

David Clarkson- 6'1
David Perron- 6'0

James van Riemsdyk- 6'3
Nail Yakupov- 5'11

That settles it... because one player has more than an inch on another the Leafs would brutalize EDM...



In that the Leafs are not winning it? Must seem like it I guess...
It's not about just comparing height. Weight plays a large part. And toughness and willingness to get physical play an even bigger part.

For example: Vinny Lecavalier is the same height as Colton Orr, but that doesn't tell you much about how much bigger Orr plays.

Kadri may only be an inch taller than Gagner, but he plays much grittier. This past season over 48 games Gagner had 35 hits while Kadri had almost double that with 62. Lupul may only have 2 inches on Eberle, but he plays WAY bigger than Eberle does. RNH may be the same heigh as Bozak, but he's as gentle as they come.

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07-14-2013, 02:39 PM
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Yes because physicality is measured in height...
Hmmm... okay, physicality... we will get to that...

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Lmao that was probably the worst comparison I've ever seen made.

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Edmonton is running a pretty small top 6.
Just in case you missed it the first time... that is where the comparison came from... hope that helps...

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Clarkson will hit Peron so hard he'll forget his name, nobody push JVR around, Kadri plays a physical game for a small guy. He's WAY more physical than Gagner don't even try to compare. Lupul can play with contact and Kessel is well Kessel every team is allowed 1 player like him. Edmonton has like 3 of em.
Okay on the subject of hits/physical play...

Kessel- 16 hits
Hall- 24 hits

Lupul- 31 hits
Eberle- 31 hits

JVR- 55 hits
Perron- 48 hits

Kadri- 62 hits
Gagner- 35 hits

Bozak- 65 hits
RNH- 27 hits

If your team's claim to toughness is Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak... well...


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07-14-2013, 02:42 PM
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If your team's claim to toughness is Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak... well...
This person has never seen a single Leafs game.

Not sure an Oilers fan has any right to talk about team toughness.

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07-14-2013, 02:45 PM
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Edmonton is building around the Chicago model, not the Boston/LA model. Chicago was last in the league in hits this year. Size doesn't beat skill and speed every time as evident by this year's playoffs.
Good luck finding 2 high end Dmen.

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07-14-2013, 02:47 PM
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Yah kinda agree with the sentiment that the Leafs will probably outproduce the oilers next year and maybe the one after but there is more high end talent with the Oilers. Toronto is undoubtedly more balanced given that they have 3 power forward types (JVR,Lupul,Clarkson) but their center depth (see Bozak) hurts them...Kessel is the best player on either team currently production wise....In 5 years who knows what either team will look like but for now the Oilers have more shinny new toys...will they win? Who knows..
You sure???
-Edit- Please correct me if I am wrong but I really don't see how Lupul is a Power Forward...

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Again... if Bozak and Kadri are your top six physical beasts... : laugh:














I'd say so

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07-14-2013, 02:56 PM
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Hmmm... okay, physicality... we will get to that...









Just in case you missed it the first time... that is where the comparison came from... hope that helps...



Okay on the subject of hits/physical play...

Kessel- 16 hits
Hall- 24 hits

Lupul- 31 hits
Eberle- 31 hits

JVR- 55 hits
Perron- 48 hits

Kadri- 62 hits
Gagner- 35 hits

Bozak- 65 hits
RNH- 27 hits

Yakupov- 41 hits
Clarkson- 84 hits


If your team's claim to toughness is Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak... well...
When I think size the first thing that comes to mind is weight, not height. A player thats 6'3 165 does not have size. Also, I like how in a thread comparing top 6's you conveniently list 5 players on each side omitting Toronto's most physical top 6 player. You're worse than the guys you quoted. Your post was bad, and you should feel bad.

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07-14-2013, 03:03 PM
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Realistically I think the point totals will be something like this, if there are no injuries.

Kessel: 75-85 points
Lupul: 65-75
Kadri: 60-70
JVR: 50-60
Bozak: 40-50
Clarkson: 35-45
Total: 325-385 points

Hall: 75-85
Eberle: 65-75
Nuge: 55-65
Gagner: 50-60
Yakupov: 50-60
Perron: 45-55
Total: 340-400 points
Anybody think this is unfair? Because if this is close to true the oilers have the advantage in production

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07-14-2013, 03:06 PM
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Leafs team. Both have offensive potential, while leafs are more proven atm, and I pick the leafs based on.

1.Physicality
2.Versatility
3.Leadership

I think the oilers can be better, but at the same time, that top 6 for the leafs is also quite young.

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07-14-2013, 03:19 PM
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Good luck finding 2 high end Dmen.
Klefbom, Nurse or J. Schultz?

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07-14-2013, 03:28 PM
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Yes the Leafs are hulking beasts...

Hall- 6'1
Kessel- 6'0

Joffrey Lupul- 6'1
Jordan Eberle- 5'11

Nazem Kadri- 6'0
Sam Gagner- 5'11

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins- 6'1
Tyler Bozak- 6'1

David Clarkson- 6'1
David Perron- 6'0

James van Riemsdyk- 6'3
Nail Yakupov- 5'11

That settles it... because one player has more than an inch on another the Leafs would brutalize EDM...
Calculated using numbers on hockeydb
Oilers top 6 averages
Height: 5'11 5/6
Weight: 188 1/3 lbs

Leafs top 6 averages
Height: 6'1
Weight: 198 1/3 lbs

Nazem Kadri, the Leafs SMALLEST PLAYER in their top 6 is the same size as the Oilers average.
On average a Leafs top 6 player has 10 lbs on his Oilers counterpart

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07-14-2013, 03:33 PM
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Realistically I think the point totals will be something like this, if there are no injuries.

Kessel: 75-85 points
Lupul: 65-75
Kadri: 60-70
JVR: 50-60
Bozak: 40-50
Clarkson: 35-45
Total: 325-385 points

Hall: 75-85
Eberle: 65-75
Nuge: 55-65
Gagner: 50-60
Yakupov: 50-60
Perron: 45-55
Total: 340-400 points
Anybody think this is unfair? Because if this is close to true the oilers have the advantage in production
it kinda sorta looks fair, until you realize that you've not allowed for even one leaf to improve his PPG while allowing room for all of them to drop in PPG.....meanwhile, you've not allowed for even one oiler to drop in PPG, and allowed for all of them to improve in PPG.

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lol @ Leaf fans voting for "Non-Leaf fan".

And overall Toronto has a better team in regards to depth, defense and goaltending.

But Edmonton's top 6 blows yours away. 3 1st overalls, an NHL all star, a 23 year old with 6 years under his belt already and an offensive pest that can score near 50 points on a defensive team...

The Leafs will likely have a better season next year, but the Oilers may outproduce Toronto next season. We don't have Krueger and his ridiculous hold the 1 goal lead mentality.

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07-14-2013, 05:20 PM
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it kinda sorta looks fair, until you realize that you've not allowed for even one leaf to improve his PPG while allowing room for all of them to drop in PPG.....meanwhile, you've not allowed for even one oiler to drop in PPG, and allowed for all of them to improve in PPG.
Hall, Perron, yak, gagner, eberle all would be able to drop there ppg I list nuges pretty high because he had a 68 point pace in his rookie season. Clarkson and JVR could improve there ppg

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It's obviously EDM's top 6.

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lol @ Leaf fans voting for "Non-Leaf fan".

And overall Toronto has a better team in regards to depth, defense and goaltending.

But Edmonton's top 6 blows yours away. 3 1st overalls, an NHL all star, a 23 year old with 6 years under his belt already and an offensive pest that can score near 50 points on a defensive team...

The Leafs will likely have a better season next year, but the Oilers may outproduce Toronto next season. We don't have Krueger and his ridiculous hold the 1 goal lead mentality.
I think Toronto has better top 6, mostly because the players are already developed for the most part. RNH isnt ready to be the 1 C, Eberle floats way too much, Yakupov is mainly playing only for his development, not for his on ice impact, and Hemsky/Gagner flatout suck. Luckily they have Hall who might be top 5 scorer next year.

But couple years to the future Oilers will have amazing forward core.

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O'Reilly - Duchene - Parenteau
Landeskog - Stastny - Tanguay
McGinn - MacKinnon - Downie
Pitts
Philly
Boston
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All have better top 9 than Colorado or Leafs

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Colorado is in the Edmonton company of having done ****ing nothing.

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07-14-2013, 07:04 PM
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That's weird... last 82 game season both teams played...

Kessel- 82 GP 82 pts (1.0 PPG)
Hall- 61 GP 53 pts (0.87 PPG)

Bozak- 73 GP 47 pts (0.64 PPG)
Gagner- 75 GP 47 pts (0.63 PPG)

Lupul- 66 GP 66 pts (1.01 PPG)
Eberle- 78 GP 76 pts (0.97 PPG)

Grabovski- 74 GP 51 pts (0.69 PPG)
RNH- 62 GP 52 pts (0.84 PPG)

Then Smyth had 46 pts to MacArthur's 43... and Hemsky and Connolly each had 36 points... this despite Oilers offense being much younger... weird



Yes the Leafs are hulking beasts...

Hall- 6'1
Kessel- 6'0

Joffrey Lupul- 6'1
Jordan Eberle- 5'11

Nazem Kadri- 6'0
Sam Gagner- 5'11

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins- 6'1
Tyler Bozak- 6'1

David Clarkson- 6'1
David Perron- 6'0

James van Riemsdyk- 6'3
Nail Yakupov- 5'11

That settles it... because one player has more than an inch on another the Leafs would brutalize EDM...
Wow you proved most Leaf fans points by the 1st list and to list height is just laughable when on avg each Leaf player is 10lbs heavier.

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Hmmm... okay, physicality... we will get to that...






Just in case you missed it the first time... that is where the comparison came from... hope that helps...



Okay on the subject of hits/physical play...

Kessel- 16 hits
Hall- 24 hits

Lupul- 31 hits
Eberle- 31 hits

JVR- 55 hits
Perron- 48 hits

Kadri- 62 hits
Gagner- 35 hits

Bozak- 65 hits
RNH- 27 hits

If your team's claim to toughness is Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak... well...
Again you and you lists again proving Leaf fans point. Also nice in leaving off Yak and Clarkson. u=homer.

There is nothing wrong in admitting that the Leafs top 6 is a better all around squad. However in 5 years the Oilers BETTER have the best top 6 in the NHL or be a laughing stock.

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Calculated using numbers on hockeydb
Oilers top 6 averages
Height: 5'11 5/6
Weight: 188 1/3 lbs

Leafs top 6 averages
Height: 6'1
Weight: 198 1/3 lbs

Nazem Kadri, the Leafs SMALLEST PLAYER in their top 6 is the same size as the Oilers average.
On average a Leafs top 6 player has 10 lbs on his Oilers counterpart
Exactly^^^^

The Oilers have a ton of skill but need more grit! Untill they get that grit teams will be able to take liberties with the Oilers.

Plus it would be just downright criminal if the Oil were to go into the playoffs with that top 6. If they were to end up against a team like L.A, I could see the Oilers loosing Hall, RNH, Yak all by game 2. Remember in the playoffs the refs don't call everything so all that skill doesn't come into play as much with out all the PP time. Considering how good the Oil are at tanking I wonder if they miss the playoffs on purpose cuz they know their lil stars will get hurt.

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Nurse could possibly be a Norris dman but I'm not sure about the other 2.

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