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07-14-2013, 06:43 PM
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probably but Schroeder is too small to play a checking role unless Torts can help him. Someone like Gaunce would be a better choice
This doesn't make sense. Either Schroeder is too small to play a checking role or he isn't. I don't see what Tortorella can do to help him grow if that's what you think the problem is. If it's to do with his game then I don't know how mentioning his size has much relevance.

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07-14-2013, 06:47 PM
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there has been worse top 6 who had won cup.....yes there is some risk but a new coach and a new system will pay off in the end

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there has been worse top 6 who had won cup.....yes there is some risk but a new coach and a new system will pay off in the end
What team? Also, did those teams have a franchise defenseman on their roster?

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Wow somebody should've told AV that the way to turn a team around that won 1 of its last 9 playoff games is to move around the exact same players that have failed miserably twice. Like just move Hansen up and believe in Kassian like he's a ferry and everything will work out.

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07-14-2013, 06:56 PM
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Can't wait to prove the doubters wrong! This top 6 will win the cup!

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What team? Also, did those teams have a franchise defenseman on their roster?
Ding ding ding...you'd have a better argument saying this team lacks a big minute, dominant blueliner than the one you make over and over. Name the last team to win without a marquee defencemen.

The Hawks didn't get stellar contribution from their star forwards (you can twist the script all you want, their highest point producer had 19 in 23 games, 16 in 23 for the next highest top 6 forward) and the Bruins when they won didn't have a dominant top 6. They did however have their depth pull through in a big way, solid defence and very good goaltending.

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Ding ding ding...you'd have a better argument saying this team lacks a big minute, dominant blueliner than the one you make over and over. Name the last team to win without a marquee defencemen.

The Hawks didn't get stellar contribution from their star forwards (you can twist the script all you want, their highest point producer had 19 in 23 games, 16 in 23 for the next highest top 6 forward) and the Bruins when they won didn't have a dominant top 6. They did however have their depth pull through in a big way, solid defence and very good goaltending.
Carolina 2006, though it's quite obvious that is by far the exception and not the norm.

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We don't even have a top 6, so the answer is no.

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We don't even have a top 6, so the answer is no.
we do have top 6 just question marks with Booth and Kassasin....

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Short answer: no

Long answer: nope

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we do have top 6 just question marks with Booth and Kassasin....
This is hilarious. I'm reading through comments and people actually think Booth is a top 6 player "if healthy". He's not smart and has zero skill. He will never be a top 6 player. He had some success in Florida a long time ago when the league was much more high scoring. Lots has changed since then.

Kassian and Burrows are also question marks. Realistically I think we have 3 top 6 players, even then Kesler is not a playmaker at all. We have a massive deficit of skill on this team. People are in for a shock if they think we can win a playoff round, hell theres a good chance we won't make the playoffs with the new divisions.

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Short answer: no

Long answer: nope
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we do have top 6 just question marks with Booth and Kassasin....
When you have question marks, that's not exactly a top 6 then.

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Can't wait to prove the doubters wrong! This top 6 will win the cup!
I like how you dodge questions and continue posting these ramblings. Name a team with a worse top 6 that has won the cup..

I'm starting to think you're trolling.

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Can't wait to prove the doubters wrong! This top 6 will win the cup!
We've all been waiting years to be "proven wrong"...still waiting...

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We've all been waiting years to be "proven wrong"...still waiting...
You took the field vs one team and were correct... congratulations! You've won a stray cat.

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You took the field vs one team and were correct... congratulations! You've won a stray cat.
Exactly, who wants to bet on Chicago winning vs any other team in the league. Or any single team

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We don't even have a top 6, so the answer is no.
right.. we only have 4 top 6 forwards.. and the bottom 6 is garbage. not exactly built for playoff success.

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Not a chance, honestly.

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Am I the only one here annoyed at the idea that not having six established top six-level forwards means that "we have no top six"? I mean semantically, that doesn't make sense. We don't have a good top six, we have A top six.

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Sedin - Sedin - Burrows

Booth - Kesler - Kassian

Schroeder - Horvat - Hansen


is this accurate?

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Sedin - Sedin - Burrows

Booth - Kesler - Kassian

Schroeder - Horvat - Hansen


is this accurate?
higgins on third LW and Schroeder/Horvat/Gaunce third line center

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The Top 6 in itself looks fine if Kassian takes the next step (big IF)

Sedins - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian


The problem is that we don't have the depth to back it up when the going gets tough.

Higgins - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Santorelli - Sestito?

Given Schroeder is hardly a proven player at this point, and the weakness of the depth itself, we'd need a lot of players playing above water and rookies stepping up. So, very unlikely the team will go far. Our D and goaltending might win us a round or two, but as it is this isn't a team with cup aspirations. We've had better teams on paper that combined for 1 win in the last two post-seasons so playoff success might be a pipe dream. If anything, we'll be worrying more about making the divisional playoffs.

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This is hilarious. I'm reading through comments and people actually think Booth is a top 6 player "if healthy". He's not smart and has zero skill. He will never be a top 6 player. He had some success in Florida a long time ago when the league was much more high scoring. Lots has changed since then.

Kassian and Burrows are also question marks. Realistically I think we have 3 top 6 players, even then Kesler is not a playmaker at all. We have a massive deficit of skill on this team. People are in for a shock if they think we can win a playoff round, hell theres a good chance we won't make the playoffs with the new divisions.
Which is why we needed changed this season but all we've done is traded away what was our strength, great goaltending every night all season. Schneider bailed this awful group of forwards out so often last year.

Come playoff time i HATE having Burrows on the top line, he should be checking with Kesler while somebody with more skill or size plays with the twins, and not somebody who clearly isn't ready like Kassian and his 0 goals in 9 playoff games and zero positive impact in any of those games in any way.

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The Top 6 in itself looks fine if Kassian takes the next step (big IF)

Sedins - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian


The problem is that we don't have the depth to back it up when the going gets tough.

Higgins - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Santorelli - Sestito?

Given Schroeder is hardly a proven player at this point, and the weakness of the depth itself, we'd need a lot of players playing above water and rookies stepping up. So, very unlikely the team will go far. Our D and goaltending might win us a round or two, but as it is this isn't a team with cup aspirations. We've had better teams on paper that combined for 1 win in the last two post-seasons so playoff success might be a pipe dream. If anything, we'll be worrying more about making the divisional playoffs.
You're forgetting Richardson, likely 4C in for Sestito.

The thing I'm worried about most with our Top-6 is health. There is very little high-skill depth to replace Kes and Booth if (when?) they go down.

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