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07-13-2013, 03:02 PM
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I expect Moen to have a solid season next year. Not sure what was wrong with him this past season but he was just off. Not at all the regular Moen.
I forget who brought up the theory first, but someone mentioned that he had suffered a concussion at the end of the previous season, and so coupled with his reluctance to drop the gloves... maybe he just became a *****? Who knows?

But everyone has down years, so it might just be nothing.

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07-13-2013, 03:18 PM
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Love this White kid, good move by our adm. How can you go wrong with a kid that loves his role so much ?
Ok, he could smarten-up a bit.....but not too much, wouldn't want him to change into something he's not......
Next year when Therrien says 'release the hounds !', he has to think 'Rothweiller' instead of 'Australian wild dingo' ?.....Controlled assault is what I'm thinking. Could be a great agressor for 5-7 minutes a game with Parros by his side

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I forget who brought up the theory first, but someone mentioned that he had suffered a concussion at the end of the previous season, and so coupled with his reluctance to drop the gloves... maybe he just became a *****? Who knows?

But everyone has down years, so it might just be nothing.
While is level of play was way less intense and I admit that, he still got 5 fights in half a season, so I wouldn't say he had any reluctance to drop the glove. It's his usual pace.

I love how some people were saying that White was a bum to go to arbitration, way to overreact lol.

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Hopefully he buys a brain with it.
Why? Is he playing with Brandon Prust or Marcel Prust?

Good signing hopefully he'll play to his strengths and get Bouillon money next season.

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Hesitating to fight? He took on a much bigger Cowen with a pierced lung.

Come on, guys...

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Nice for him to be able to get settled in. Could you imagine being able to go buy a beautiful $500,000 home and not having a mortgage.........I can only dream.
Go get em Whitey I'm happy for ya.

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I forget who brought up the theory first, but someone mentioned that he had suffered a concussion at the end of the previous season, and so coupled with his reluctance to drop the gloves... maybe he just became a *****? Who knows?

But everyone has down years, so it might just be nothing.
That must be it ...looking at hockeyfights.com he went with both Simmonds and Thorburn, pretty tough guys, I don't think Moen is turning into a *****, it's gotta weigh heavily on someone like him being one of two tough guys on what is essentially a pretty soft team. Having Parros, should definately take some pressure off Moen, I expect a nice bounce back year from him.

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Maybe Moen simply didn't expect the lockout to end and didn't seriously work out so he wasn't in shape for most of the season?

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07-14-2013, 06:49 AM
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He has been on one way contracts for the last two years. Why would he have taken a two-way contract?
Finally figured this mystery out.

Ryan White did indeed have two one-way deals in 11-12 and 12-13.

However, because he played only 26 games last year, and had not played 180 games in the last three years, he was eligible to receive a two-way offer, and apparently this is what Marc Bergevin did, pursuant to Section 10.2 (a) (iii) of the CBA.

White decided not to accept this offer and asked for arbitration. An arbitrator would surely have sided with White, so Bergevin tore up the right to pay a lower AHL salary, in exchange for giving him just a 2% increase instead of 5% on his NHL salary, and Ryan accepted that to avoid the slight chance he loses in arbitration.

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Finally figured this mystery out.

Ryan White did indeed have two one-way deals in 11-12 and 12-13.

However, because he played only 26 games last year, and had not played 180 games in the last three years, he was eligible to receive a two-way offer, and apparently this is what Marc Bergevin did, pursuant to Section 10.2 (a) (iii) of the CBA.

White decided not to accept this offer and asked for arbitration. An arbitrator would surely have sided with White, so Bergevin tore up the right to pay a lower AHL salary, in exchange for giving him just a 2% increase instead of 5% on his NHL salary, and Ryan accepted that to avoid the slight chance he loses in arbitration.
Bergevin wasn't here when Whitey was scrapping still while his head looked like the Elephant man, that one game a couple of years ago. Talk about heart and soul Hab he's that type of player, maybe not in Nilan's league but so very close.

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Maybe Moen simply didn't expect the lockout to end and didn't seriously work out so he wasn't in shape for most of the season?
I found that a lot of veterans around the league had subpar seasons, so many that I'm willing to chalk it up to the lockout and waiting to see if they can bounce back this year. Moen especially falls into that category.

I also thought, for whatever it's worth, that Moen looked a lot like his old self in the playoffs. So that's encouraging, at least.

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Maybe less?
Parros has been playing almost full seasons for pretty much his whole career. So don't get your hopes up.

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I forget who brought up the theory first, but someone mentioned that he had suffered a concussion at the end of the previous season, and so coupled with his reluctance to drop the gloves... maybe he just became a *****? Who knows?

But everyone has down years, so it might just be nothing.
I think it was Vincent Dampfrousse () on L'AntiCHambre

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Bergevin wasn't here when Whitey was scrapping still while his head looked like the Elephant man, that one game a couple of years ago. Talk about heart and soul Hab he's that type of player, maybe not in Nilan's league but so very close.
He does have same kind of fearlessness as Nilan but not as good scrapper.

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Happy to have White back. He has proven to be pretty effective/useful when he is playing smart hockey

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Parros has been playing almost full seasons for pretty much his whole career. So don't get your hopes up.
And like most players, and especially bad ones, Parros is only getting worse and worse every day. He was Florida's worst player all year long. And that's saying something. Kaberle was playing full seasons up until recently, too, so that argument doesn't seem all that water-tight.

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Finally figured this mystery out.

Ryan White did indeed have two one-way deals in 11-12 and 12-13.

However, because he played only 26 games last year, and had not played 180 games in the last three years, he was eligible to receive a two-way offer, and apparently this is what Marc Bergevin did, pursuant to Section 10.2 (a) (iii) of the CBA.

White decided not to accept this offer and asked for arbitration. An arbitrator would surely have sided with White, so Bergevin tore up the right to pay a lower AHL salary, in exchange for giving him just a 2% increase instead of 5% on his NHL salary, and Ryan accepted that to avoid the slight chance he loses in arbitration.
Wow, great job figuring that out man. Was scratching my head over this thing for the past few days.

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And like most players, and especially bad ones, Parros is only getting worse and worse every day. He was Florida's worst player all year long. And that's saying something. Kaberle was playing full seasons up until recently, too, so that argument doesn't seem all that water-tight.



Wow, great job figuring that out man. Was scratching my head over this thing for the past few days.
You DO know an HW is being played 5-6 minutes per game, right? 7-8 at the very most?
In a physical division such as ours, there's no way this guy gets anything less than 40 games in the worst of cases.

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The signing of White means there's zero room for signing free agents. Which player could be traded or released to make room? I don't see any realistic moves.

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Maybe Moen simply didn't expect the lockout to end and didn't seriously work out so he wasn't in shape for most of the season?
This is my theory on many vets around the NHL, including many vets with the habs, specifically looking at Moen and Gorges.

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While is level of play was way less intense and I admit that, he still got 5 fights in half a season, so I wouldn't say he had any reluctance to drop the glove. It's his usual pace.

I love how some people were saying that White was a bum to go to arbitration, way to overreact lol.
He "dropped" the gloves five times but even when he fought there was a reluctance to go toe to toe. His concussion came at the end of the 11-12 season and I find there was just somethign different about him after that.

Even just little things like blocked shots in same amount games he had half as many as season before.. It's hard to say, maybe the shortned season got to him, maybe playing fourth line again regularly got to him. I'm just hoping whatever it was he gets over it and starts to play with more of an edge next season.

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You DO know an HW is being played 5-6 minutes per game, right? 7-8 at the very most?
In a physical division such as ours, there's no way this guy gets anything less than 40 games in the worst of cases.
40 games? I hope not.

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40 games? I hope not.
Yep. More fun watching the game like the 5 against Ottawa where the team was physically beaten down.

You do remember our hottest goal scorer at the time, Gallagher........the guy who missed some games with a concussion.....getting run on almost every shift.

Sure, we don't want Parros in the lineup.

Bollig played in over half of the Hawks games and didn't score a single point. Stanley Cup champions regards.........

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Bollig played in over half of the Hawks games and didn't score a single point. Stanley Cup champions regards.........
Yeah, that's why they won the Stanley Cup.

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Yeah, that's why they won the Stanley Cup.
You and Andy are on the wrong side of reality.

Good job on projecting onto my post something (false) that I did not even imply. Congrats.

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