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07-15-2013, 10:18 PM
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Does Bergevin have to sign PK Subban before the season start ?

I can't really imagine the habs going into the season witout getting PK signed. The situation could get extra messy

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I can't really imagine the habs going into the season witout getting PK signed. The situation could get extra messy
He doesn't have the cap space, not for this year anyway.

And you're right, this will probably be a big distraction in the offseason. Queue the (correct I believe) comments about how we should've signed him for five years and 25 mil last year...

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07-15-2013, 10:21 PM
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Give him 7.5 over 7 years and be done with it.

Please and thanks.

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07-15-2013, 10:22 PM
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I don't see it happening any time soon.
PK just won the Norris, he's at an all time high. If the season starts and he struggles a little more, then his value could drop a bit.
If he has another great year, then he'll get a huge amount, which he's likely to get anyway.

Might as well wait a bit.

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Wait a bit...no harm in it and it might save a bit of cash...

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I don't see it happening any time soon.
PK just won the Norris, he's at an all time high. If the season starts and he struggles a little more, then his value could drop a bit.
If he has another great year, then he'll get a huge amount, which he's likely to get anyway.

Might as well wait a bit.
If he is a Norris finalist again his value will go up by another million ir two.

That is more likely than him "coming back down to Earth".

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I don't see it happening any time soon.
PK just won the Norris, he's at an all time high. If the season starts and he struggles a little more, then his value could drop a bit.
If he has another great year, then he'll get a huge amount, which is likely to get anyway.

Might as well wait a bit.
If he struggles next season, he will only have to blame MB for putting him under the stress of performing for his next contract when he actually won the norris the year before. In that case, he would most probably wait again to get signed and would this time listen to other teams on the RFA market.

The best solution for Bergevin is to give him the contract 60 millions for 8 years. He has no choice.

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Either way I am comfortable with it, I believe Bergevin will get it done.
Pay him 7+ million a year for the next few years right away, or wait after the season to see if he can build on from last season and earn his 7+ million a year

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He doesn't have the cap space, not for this year anyway.

And you're right, this will probably be a big distraction in the offseason. Queue the (correct I believe) comments about how we should've signed him for five years and 25 mil last year...
His salary cap hit isn't going to change for next season whether he signs an extension or not, he's already signed for next season.

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If a busted up, broken Patrice Bergeron gets a 7 year extension that kicks in AFTER this coming season then there is no reason to doubt in our GM getting a deal done with PK Subban is there?

That said, I fully expect Scrooge McDuck to penny pinch and infuriate PK and his agent well into the season.

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Either way I am comfortable with it, I believe Bergevin will get it done.
Pay him 7+ million a year for the next few years right away, or wait after the season to see if he can build on from last season and earn his 7+ million a year


He should flush his Norris down the toilet then

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If he struggles next season, he will only have to blame MB for putting him under the stress of performing for his next contract when he actually won the norris the year before. In that case, he would most probably wait again to get signed and would this time listen to other teams on the RFA market.

The best solution for Bergevin is to give him the contract 60 millions for 8 years. He has no choice.
With or without a contract, he is in the driver's seat. He will for sure get a contract, with us or with someone else. He will be RFA but there will be teams that will offer sheet him if we do not take him seriously.
There is no reason for him to stress, unless he believes this season was just all luck.

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Give him 7.5 over 7 years and be done with it.

Please and thanks.
Total agree. I do not want to hear about this contact all season long. It will be a big distraction because this is Montreal. I really hope MB understands this.

Give him the long term 8 year deal and make him a hab for life

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07-15-2013, 10:35 PM
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If he is a Norris finalist again his value will go up by another million ir two.

That is more likely than him "coming back down to Earth".
I seriously doubt PK earns himself yet another Norris candidacy. Not that it's impossible, but there are other serious candidates out there. Don't get me wrong, I think PK will win the Norris again in his career, but I just don't think he'll be a finalist this next season at such a young age with so many good Dmen out there.

People are already talking about 7.5-8M, I doubt his cap hit would reach 9-10M.

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If he struggles next season, he will only have to blame MB for putting him under the stress of performing for his next contract when he actually won the norris the year before. In that case, he would most probably wait again to get signed and would this time listen to other teams on the RFA market.

The best solution for Bergevin is to give him the contract 60 millions for 8 years. He has no choice.
No, it's not Bergevin's fault if PK struggles. If PK can't handle the stress of playing for a contract, he will have a tough time in the NHL. But we know that's not the case so you can delete that from your mind.

As for Bergevin, he'll always have a choice. If other teams want to sign him to an offer sheet, then we can either match or take the compensation (like to be four 1st round picks), or trade him for a massive return before.
I don't think Bergevin will go through any of this anyways, he'll re-sign PK at some point during the year. Hopefully PK is extremely loyal and will agree to a cap hit of around 6M, that would be amazing but likely won't happen.

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No, it's not Bergevin's fault if PK struggles. If PK can't handle the stress of playing for a contract, he will have a tough time in the NHL. But we know that's not the case so you can delete that from your mind.

As for Bergevin, he'll always have a choice. If other teams want to sign him to an offer sheet, then we can either match or take the compensation (like to be four 1st round picks), or trade him for a massive return before.
I don't think Bergevin will go through any of this anyways, he'll re-sign PK at some point during the year. Hopefully PK is extremely loyal and will agree to a cap hit of around 6M, that would be amazing but likely won't happen.
He already showed his loyalty when MB low balled him. Its not really about the stress, its a matter of respect. All the team are re-signing their big players one year before they're up, we did it with Pacioretty & Price. Subban clearly had a better season than both of them and not re-upping his contract before the training camp would be a big slap in the face.

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Doesn't really matter... He'll get Doughty, Karlson, Letang type money now or next summer. No stress really. Offer sheet next year would be 5 firsts at that point.

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Doesn't really matter... He'll get Doughty, Karlson, Letang type money now or next summer. No stress really. Offer sheet next year would be 5 firsts at that point.


and back to square one

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He already showed his loyalty when MB low balled him. Its not really about the stress, its a matter of respect. All the team are re-signing their big players one year before they're up, we did it with Pacioretty & Price. Subban clearly had a better season than both of them and not re-upping his contract before the training camp would be a big slap in the face.
It had nothing to do with loyalty, he had no negotiating power. Also, no reason for PK to rush on an offer sheet when he knows he'll likely get a crap load more on his next deal. This year he'll be up for arbitration so he has more negotiating power.

Price didn't sign an extension a year before. MaxPac yes, but not Price.

Stop exaggerating. It's not a slap in the face if he isn't re-signed by September. Not even close to it. And maybe PK wants to wait too.

In any event, stop with the drama.

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It had nothing to do with loyalty, he had no negotiating power. Also, no reason for PK to rush on an offer sheet when he knows he'll likely get a crap load more on his next deal. This year he'll be up for arbitration so he has more negotiating power.

Price didn't sign an extension a year before. MaxPac yes, but not Price.

Stop exaggerating. It's not a slap in the face if he isn't re-signed by September. Not even close to it. And maybe PK wants to wait too.

In any event, stop with the drama.
you're right about Price

Will see what happens for PK

Letang signed 58 millions for 8 years right ?

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If he doesn't sign him pk should tell him to put his man child DD back there and walk.

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I believe Marc Bergervin did the right thing. Looking at the numbers, PK Subban hasn't had a year over 38 points, he won the Norris by default. Compared to Drew Doughty, Erik Karlsson and Kris Letang all of whom had 60-70 points season. This year is yet another year to see if PK can prove himself. If he remains one of the top players then yes give him $7 mil, if not then less.

Mind you Karlsson earns $6.5 mil per season and won the Norris with 78 points.

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I don't see it happening any time soon.
PK just won the Norris, he's at an all time high. If the season starts and he struggles a little more, then his value could drop a bit.
If he has another great year, then he'll get a huge amount, which he's likely to get anyway.

Might as well wait a bit.
Exactly what I came in this thread to say. Thanks for saving me time

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I believe Marc Bergervin did the right thing. Looking at the numbers, PK Subban hasn't had a year over 38 points, he won the Norris by default. Compared to Drew Doughty, Erik Karlsson and Kris Letang all of whom had 60-70 points season. This year is yet another year to see if PK can prove himself. If he remains one of the top players then yes give him $7 mil, if not then less.

Mind you Karlsson earns $6.5 mil per season and won the Norris with 78 points.
And thats exactly why this hockey club is not near from winning.



Only in MTL will a guy win the Norris and have fans from his own team calling it a fluke when guys from other cities would take him in their team in a hearbeat.

Like everyone else, I wonder what kind of player Subban might be outside of the gutless culture of Montreal hockey. His talent is undeniable, one Bruins fans can equate to the likes of Peyton Manning of sorts. You love to hate him, but at some level you would salivate to have him on your squad

http://www.boston.com/sports/columni...eat_bruin.html

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http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/201...n-with-bruins/

I hope he keeps up his antics that they end up trading him to the Bruins because Id love to see him on this team because I think hes a very talented player, Hall of Fame defenceman Ray Bourque told former Hab Chris Nilan on Nilans new Off the Cuff radio show on TSN Radio 690 on the afternoon of the game.

Even Ray Bourque knows how it is in MTL. Different GM, different coach, different owners same mistake

To letting Ryder walk twice for nothin

To signing overrated players for too much money (Brisebois, Price, Gorges)

To not adressing size in the middle issue (koivu, Pleky, Desharnaid & now Brunet)

To making star players become Public Enemy #1 after they won a trophy (theodore... Subban)

and the next chapter

trading an allstar player and losing trade (Chelios to Roy to Turgeon and soon Subban)

This market is so predictable.

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