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07-10-2013, 04:42 AM
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Non-Knicks fans calling Knicks fans homers and fan boys because they have a positive outlook on a season preceded by their best season in over a decade.

Again, I go back to last offseason. As annoying as the chirping was, it was nice to see it disappear for 7 months.

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Nets sign Kirilenko!

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Good pick up for Nets.

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07-11-2013, 10:57 PM
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Really good pickup for the Nets....I think he was offered 10 million for 2 years someplace else, so he took a discount.

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Kirilenko and Garnett, good lord Melo will struggle to put up 20 a game.

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Kirilenko had a 10.2 mill option with Wolves for next season which he opted out of.

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Kirilenko and Garnett, good lord Melo will struggle to put up 20 a game.

Yeah that D could be really good.

They are old but it looks good on paper.

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Yeah that D could be really good.

They are old but it looks good on paper.
considering how an old KG and Pierce made Melo look in the 1rst round series, call me pessimistic on these recent roster moves.

**** the nets.

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07-12-2013, 12:26 PM
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Unlike the awful PP and KG trade, AK is a fantastic signing and should really help the Nets.

Knicks need to sign Ron Artest.

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07-12-2013, 12:28 PM
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considering how an old KG and Pierce made Melo look in the 1rst round series, call me pessimistic on these recent roster moves.

**** the nets.
You mean by KG the goon ripping Melo's ****ing shoulder out of his socket?

AK 47 is by far the superior signing and will ACTUALLY be a burden to Melo without having to rip off a limb.

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07-12-2013, 04:51 PM
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I know it's just talk since there's no real hoops to talk about but I am amused by the talking heads, like Steve A. Smith, who feel the need to crown the Nets as better than the Knicks, in July. The Celtics of last year were better than the new Nets lineup and last time I checked they still lost to the Knicks in the playoffs.

And as much of a headcase as Metta World Peace might be, he'd be a great fit on the Knicks.

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You mean by KG the goon ripping Melo's ****ing shoulder out of his socket?

AK 47 is by far the superior signing and will ACTUALLY be a burden to Melo without having to rip off a limb.
KG will get away with murder due to referee respect and Kirilenko will kill Melo's jumpshot game. Bad news.

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KG will get away with murder due to referee respect and Kirilenko will kill Melo's jumpshot game. Bad news.
Wish Knicks could get a legit 4 so Melo could go back to the 3 and avoid these two guys.

Not buying into any of them though. All injury risks. KG + Pierce are old and injury risks.

5 years ago? Nets look stacked. This year? Old + Injury Prone.

Lopez, Williams, Kirilenko, Pierce, KG. At this point, none really can stay healthy for the entire year.

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07-13-2013, 08:39 AM
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Would love Brand, Billups, and Artest on the Knicks.

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Knicks sign Metta.

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07-15-2013, 06:40 PM
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Love the MWP signing.

Let's see KG goon it up when a Ron Artest elbow is just around the corner. Sign K-Mart, too.

Also, JR out for 3-4 months after knee surgery.

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07-16-2013, 02:11 AM
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the Knicks replaced Copeland, Camby, Novak and Kidd with Bargnani, Artest, and Hardaway Jr.

Melo
Chandler
Bargnani
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The acquisition of Artest really balances out the Knicks defensively. While Smith is iffy coming off surgery, Artest, Chandler and Shumpert are three excellent defenders. Smith is above-average defensively.

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Just to prove how meaningless draft picks can be in the NBA -- Jeremy Tyler -- a PF and the 39th overall pick in 2011, is on the verge of signing with the Knicks as a free agent.

C.J Leslie, a SF who was considered one of the top athletes in this year's draft and a high-mid 2nd rounder, ended up going undrafted and signed with the Knicks.

People get fixated on draft picks. If you arent picking in the top-15, it's a crap shoot, and a lot of really strong NCAA guys go undrafted because of the obsession with Int'l players.

The NBA Draft is a lot like the NCAAs Tourney. Really, really strong teams get overlooked, omitted or under-seeded and end up making a great run.

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Just to prove how meaningless draft picks can be in the NBA -- Jeremy Tyler -- a PF and the 39th overall pick in 2011, is on the verge of signing with the Knicks as a free agent.

C.J Leslie, a SF who was considered one of the top athletes in this year's draft and a high-mid 2nd rounder, ended up going undrafted and signed with the Knicks.

People get fixated on draft picks. If you arent picking in the top-15, it's a crap shoot, and a lot of really strong NCAA guys go undrafted because of the obsession with Int'l players.

The NBA Draft is a lot like the NCAAs Tourney. Really, really strong teams get overlooked, omitted or under-seeded and end up making a great run.
They're only meaningless if you use them poorly. The same thing can be said for any other asset.

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07-16-2013, 06:25 AM
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They're only meaningless if you use them poorly. The same thing can be said for any other asset.
How have they used them poorly? They completely rebuilt the organization in two seasons and still have young assets who contribute.

Fields was coveted by everyone. Gallo was the center piece of the melo trade. Lin was coveted by everyone. Heck, even Copeland was coveted. They stole Shumpert and he's coveted.

Gallo and Chandler almost make 17 million combined. Have the Knicks suffered from trading them?

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Second round picks have been weak league-wide the past few years, and it's easy to get back into the second round if the Knicks really like a player.

I would like to keep 1st rounders but, again, the Knicks are a good enough team where they won't be high picks and we have our 1sts when all our money is off the books and we either decide to rebuild or commit to the Kevin Love FA class.

Also this interview is adorable. http://www.msg.com/videos/index.html?vid=2396895708

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How have they used them poorly? They completely rebuilt the organization in two seasons and still have young assets who contribute.

Fields was coveted by everyone. Gallo was the center piece of the melo trade. Lin was coveted by everyone. Heck, even Copeland was coveted. They stole Shumpert and he's coveted.

Gallo and Chandler almost make 17 million combined. Have the Knicks suffered from trading them?
In the history of the Knicks, they have generally not been smart with their draft picks. This goes back decades (Gerald Henderson deal, Eddy Curry deal, etc). Dumping a pick to get Bargnani is the latest example. They didn't get anything for Fields, who really dropped off after a strong rookie year. Lin and Copeland were not even Knicks draft picks. The only proven young asset contributor on the team is Shumpert.

Let me put it this way, they dumped all those picks to get rid of bad contracts and so they had the cap space to put together a team that still isn't a real title contender. They have to sit there and hope that in 2015 Rondo and either Aldridge or Love decide what they really want is to form a super team with Anthony.

Of course, if the Celtics land Wiggins or Julius Randle, Rondo's not going anywhere. If the Aldridge/Lillard/Batum core in Portland starts making playoff runs, then Aldridge isn't going anywhere. If the Rubio/Love/Pekovic core finally stays healthy, then Love probably isn't going anywhere. And if Love can't stay healthy then you don't want him anyway.

This is the problem with building through free agency while giving away most of your draft picks. If LeBron decides he doesn't want to come, you're left giving max contracts to guys like Stoudemire.

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In the history of the Knicks, they have generally not been smart with their draft picks. This goes back decades (Gerald Henderson deal, Eddy Curry deal, etc). Dumping a pick to get Bargnani is the latest example. They didn't get anything for Fields, who really dropped off after a strong rookie year. Lin and Copeland were not even Knicks draft picks. The only proven young asset contributor on the team is Shumpert.

Let me put it this way, they dumped all those picks to get rid of bad contracts and so they had the cap space to put together a team that still isn't a real title contender. They have to sit there and hope that in 2015 Rondo and either Aldridge or Love decide what they really want is to form a super team with Anthony.

Of course, if the Celtics land Wiggins or Julius Randle, Rondo's not going anywhere. If the Aldridge/Lillard/Batum core in Portland starts making playoff runs, then Aldridge isn't going anywhere. If the Rubio/Love/Pekovic core finally stays healthy, then Love probably isn't going anywhere. And if Love can't stay healthy then you don't want him anyway.

This is the problem with building through free agency while giving away most of your draft picks. If LeBron decides he doesn't want to come, you're left giving max contracts to guys like Stoudemire.

Yeah, the 2006/2012/2013 Heat are just loaded with Miami draft picks.

And those 2008 Celtics and 2011 Mavs -- what a tremendous job of player development by Danny Ainge with 25% of that roster home grown.

And what stupidity by Kupchak trading two 1st rounders for Pau Gasol and wasting money on Ron Artest. That really came back to bite them in 2010.

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Yeah, the 2006/2012/2013 Heat are just loaded with Miami draft picks.

And those 2008 Celtics and 2011 Mavs -- what a tremendous job of player development by Danny Ainge with 25% of that roster home grown.

And what stupidity by Kupchak trading two 1st rounders for Pau Gasol and wasting money on Ron Artest. That really came back to bite them in 2010.
You have a gift for oversimplification and hyperbole. I'm not saying you can't trade your picks. I'm saying you shouldn't going flushing pick after pick after pick to land mediocre crap like Bargnani. Can you not differentiate between piecing together assets to deal for Shaq, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Pau Gasol and what the Knicks have generally dealt their picks for? Those are names of a bit different caliber than Eddy Curry, Gerald Henderson, Andrea Bargnani, Othella Harrington, etc.

Did you miss the part a few pages ago where I talked about how smartly Houston orchestrated their rebuild and used it as a contrast to what the Knicks are doing? The Knicks are playing a low percentage game. They geared everything they had toward freeing up cap space for the summer of 2010 and then missed out on LeBron and got stuck putting together a team with no realistic title hopes. Now they're shooting to play the free agent lottery again in 2015. If you make free agency your only outlet to contention, then you leave yourself with extremely limited options. And that's what they've done. They have to hope two of Rondo, Love, and Aldridge really want to come to New York. Because if a franchise player hits the trade market between now and then, the Knicks don't remotely have the assets to land him.

Look, they could hit it big and a Carmelo Anthony/Rajon Rondo/Lamarcus Aldridge Knicks team could emerge from the 2015 offseason. But that's a longshot at best. If that's your only plan, then you're not planning very well.

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