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07-09-2013, 10:58 PM
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http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/07...oin-spitfires/

More DLR quotes about how much he wants to go to Windsor.

Boughner also sees him as a center:
Man, i hope so much that Habs and DLR's agent will find a way to make it work!!!

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sounds like Leksand wont release him to Windsor:

http://translate.google.com/translat...an-montreal%2F

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Well that's a shame. You'd think they'd allow an 18 year old to go where he wants.

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Not much of a surprise. Leksand has nothing to gain from DLR continuing his career in the CHL. Frankly I don't really have a problem with it, I just hope he gets good playing time over there.

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So SEL (yes I'm still going to call it that), WJC's in Sweden, then OHL in 2014-2015, then Hamilton in 2015-2016.

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So SEL (yes I'm still going to call it that), WJC's in Sweden, then OHL in 2014-2015, then Hamilton in 2015-2016.
Not a bad route at all.

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Like others have said as long as he get's playing time I have absolutely no problem with it

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I, for one think it's BS. This is just sour grapes on the part of Salo, someone who made a bunch of dollars playing in the NHL.

Why keep him to play 8 minutes a game on the 4th line when he's going to leave after the season (probably a lot more bitter) anyways? And with his team having just been promoted to the SEL (btw, re-naming it the SHL to somehow make a correlation to the NHL is just d*mb IMO), there's little reason to believe he gets much more ice time next season.

I mean, except for rare cases, don't Swedish players that stay in Sweden typically make a big jump in their development at an older age (like 21-23) rather than just after being drafted?

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This isn't a terrible thing. Just found out he'll be participating in several U-20 and U-19 tournaments for Sweden, including a 4 nations tourney (or it might be 5) in Lake Placid that I hope to attend.

He is already very good defensively..wouldn't surprise me if he gets quite a bit more ice time this season too in Leksand.

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Maybe he can "retire" from the SEL.

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Not a bad route at all.
Not a fan of players switching leagues/teams too often. Would rather OHL-OHL-AHL or SEL-SEL/AHL-AHL.

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This isn't a terrible thing. Just found out he'll be participating in several U-20 and U-19 tournaments for Sweden, including a 4 nations tourney (or it might be 5) in Lake Placid that I hope to attend.

He is already very good defensively..wouldn't surprise me if he gets quite a bit more ice time this season too in Leksand.
I was hoping he would play in OHL this year but this news about him playing in the tournaments makes me feel better. He needs the ice time.....

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You can't fault Leksands - he's their player, he's under contract for this season and he's a regular. They had little incentive to let him get out of his contract other than being kind. If you want to blame someone, blame DLR's agent for signing him to this contract, or DLR himself for not telling his agent about his apparent desire to play in the CHL before signing this deal.

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including a 4 nations tourney (or it might be 5) in Lake Placid that I hope to attend.
That would be in August, right? Galchenyuk played in that mini-tourney last summer, I remember they played the Finns and Swedes.

McCarron, Vail, Collberg, DLR and Lehkonen should all be there.

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You can't fault Leksands - he's their player, he's under contract for this season and he's a regular. They had little incentive to let him get out of his contract other than being kind. If you want to blame someone, blame DLR's agent for signing him to this contract, or DLR himself for not telling his agent about his apparent desire to play in the CHL before signing this deal.



That would be in August, right? Galchenyuk played in that mini-tourney last summer, I remember they played the Finns and Swedes.

McCarron, Vail, Collberg, DLR and Lehkonen should all be there.
It's completely ridiculous.
Now, they know he will bail the **** out as soon as the year is over. Do you really think they'll invest time in his development?

I wish it would be possible for him to just GTFO from there and do his thing.

I'm getting more and more annoyed with drafting Swedish prospects. They all end up not developing their scoring/offensive skills, because they're treated like scum by their clubs.

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It's completely ridiculous.
Now, they know he will bail the **** out as soon as the year is over. Do you really think they'll invest time in his development?

I wish it would be possible for him to just GTFO from there and do his thing.

I'm getting more and more annoyed with drafting Swedish prospects. They all end up not developing their scoring/offensive skills, because they're treated like scum by their clubs.

Collberg will be fine and DLR will be done after one more year.
No need to rush either.

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Ugh.. I am all for the development in Sweden. However, once the guys are drafted they should come over to the CHL. I think it is better for their development and it saves them a year or so in the road to the NHL route.

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I'm getting more and more annoyed with drafting Swedish prospects. They all end up not developing their scoring/offensive skills, because they're treated like scum by their clubs.
That simply isn't true.

They develop their skills, as can be evidenced from the number of Swedish players in the NHL that have played in the SEL(I'm stubborn).

Statistically it isn't any fun for HF posters to follow them and brag of their accomplishments to other fanbases but they are developing nonetheless. I think that Swedish teams can be a little conservative at times in their handling of young players but it seems to work.....just not as statistically obvious to those who don't get to see them regularly.

I also think you would have a difficult time in finding corroborating stories of "being treated like scum" from top Swedish prospects.

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That simply isn't true.

They develop their skills, as can be evidenced from the number of Swedish players in the NHL that have played in the SEL(I'm stubborn).

Statistically it isn't any fun for HF posters to follow them and brag of their accomplishments to other fanbases but they are developing nonetheless. I think that Swedish teams can be a little conservative at times in their handling of young players but it seems to work.....just not as statistically obvious to those who don't get to see them regularly.

I also think you would have a difficult time in finding corroborating stories of "being treated like scum" from top Swedish prospects.
Have you seen how Collberg was used last season at the beginning of the year? Prospects in these league play under 10 minutes a game most of the time. These leagues spend 0 energy trying to develop players. And it's alarming a guy like DLR, who is a North and South, crash and bang player won't be able to come in NA sooner. Alarming might be a big word. I'll just say disappointing.

As for players not developing their offensive game over there, it's more and more the case. Josefson is a good example. Forsberg doesn't look like he's improved at all over there. Tedenby can be pencilled in as a bust now... And the list keeps growing.

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You guys need to stop pretending the CHL is the only way to develop players.

Sweden has a better track record of producing NHL players than anywhere else in Europe.

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Have you seen how Collberg was used last season at the beginning of the year? Prospects in these league play under 10 minutes a game most of the time. These leagues spend 0 energy trying to develop players. And it's alarming a guy like DLR, who is a North and South, crash and bang player won't be able to come in NA sooner. Alarming might be a big word. I'll just say disappointing.

As for players not developing their offensive game over there, it's more and more the case. Josefson is a good example. Forsberg doesn't look like he's improved at all over there. Tedenby can be pencilled in as a bust now... And the list keeps growing.
Collberg was loaned down to the 2nd league for a third of the season and got to play in the playoffs and the WJC.

I think you should be more concerned with the Devils' handling of Swedish prospects than anything else. Forsberg pretty much doubled his production in less games, but there were concerns about his offensive upside at the draft which is why he dropped so much.

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Collberg will be fine and DLR will be done after one more year.
No need to rush either.
Unil they have to adapt to the NA game as a 20+ year old, while yonger prospects already have. Mixed bag, but would bet on the latter. Just my .02 and hope eevryone is having a great summer!

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Have you seen how Collberg was used last season at the beginning of the year? Prospects in these league play under 10 minutes a game most of the time. These leagues spend 0 energy trying to develop players. And it's alarming a guy like DLR, who is a North and South, crash and bang player won't be able to come in NA sooner. Alarming might be a big word. I'll just say disappointing.

As for players not developing their offensive game over there, it's more and more the case. Josefson is a good example. Forsberg doesn't look like he's improved at all over there. Tedenby can be pencilled in as a bust now... And the list keeps growing.
Should I list all of the 1st round busts that come out of the CHL? That list is much larger than the Swedish one and is growing exponentially faster. How about Scott Glennie from the Wheat kings who went 12 picks ahead of Josefson.

Forsberg looks absolutely fine as he more than doubled his production.....not sure where you were going with that one. The truth is that you are pissed with the handling of Collberg and you are now projecting your disappointment on Swedish hockey with misinformed generalizations.

Everyone needs to vent now and then so I will give you a mulligan on this one

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De La Rose will outmuscle competition in a big way if he steps in the CHL as a 19 year old..

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De La Rose will outmuscle competition in a big way if he steps in the CHL as a 19 year old..
This fact certainly didn't help Chad Kilger develop his skills in the OHL. Being bigger and faster than everybody meant that he didn't need to learn how to protect the puck and stick handle. He could just go around d-men or blast away from the outside.

If DLR is getting playing time in Sweden I would prefer that he stays there if he can't play in Hamilton.

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